Take 1000 People, How Many Do You Think Go To Heaven

I don't put my faith in God, I put it in humanity. For as bad as things may seem, there is and always has been good in this world. I can only hope that I can contribute to this and help us grow to be better people.

Wasdie

yay! another humanist! I thought I was the only one (though I'd like to think every human would be a humanist)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't put my faith in God, I put it in humanity. For as bad as things may seem, there is and always has been good in this world. I can only hope that I can contribute to this and help us grow to be better people.

mrbojangles25

yay! another humanist! I thought I was the only one (though I'd like to think every human would be a humanist)

I don't like labels. I'm just a dude who has his own beliefs. Everybody is entitled to their own.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't put my faith in God, I put it in humanity. For as bad as things may seem, there is and always has been good in this world. I can only hope that I can contribute to this and help us grow to be better people.

Wasdie

yay! another humanist! I thought I was the only one (though I'd like to think every human would be a humanist)

I don't like labels. I'm just a dude who has his own beliefs. Everybody is entitled to their own.

oh :? ssssooooooooo I shouldnt label you a humanist? :cry:

nah jk, I totally agree

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

yay! another humanist! I thought I was the only one (though I'd like to think every human would be a humanist)

mrbojangles25

I don't like labels. I'm just a dude who has his own beliefs. Everybody is entitled to their own.

oh :? ssssooooooooo I shouldnt label you a humanist? :cry:

nah jk, I totally agree

Nah you can label me what you want, I just prefer not to be labeled.

All 1000 would go into the dirt then into the bellies of some bugs...then idk

All 1000 would go into the dirt then into the bellies of some bugs...then idk

painguy1

What about the ones who get cremated?

well, when Jesus returns, he will only take with him 144,000 whom already have VIP entrance to the club. I want to guess 1 out of every thousand have this VIP.

So 1 only

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

All 1000 would go into the dirt then into the bellies of some bugs...then idk

Pixel-Pirate

What about the ones who get cremated?

The pacific ocean?

What i wonder is do people like Hitler go to heaven? It seems like one day it's "If you don' believe you will burn!!!" Then "But if you repent you will be forgiven blah blah" So does that mean a guy like Hitler can get into heaven?? If so, even if it did exist wouldn't that be twisted?X360PS3AMD05

Repentance is not just a matter of going through a rote motion and then, poof, into heaven you go; it's a profound recognition of one's wrongdoings coupled with the sincere and earnest desire to turn away from that path and not be the person who did those things anymore. If Hitler did genuinely repent, he wouldn't be the Hitler we know him as anymore.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

All 1000 would go into the dirt then into the bellies of some bugs...then idk

Pixel-Pirate

What about the ones who get cremated?

i lol'd

I am an atheist, but from what i recall, everyone says the almighty forgives. So in that sense, it's just like oprah. EVERYONE GETS A PLACE IN HEAVEN!

Using CHristian laws I'd say 50 at most.

Depends on the population it is sampled from.

Hell in Islam...is temporary...Theokhoth

Zero. I'm sure everyone has sinned in their very own special way somehow.

I would say maybe 1, if it was a lucky group. People don't understand what following God is. What do you think. Also, I would go to hell if I died now. And atheists, just play along.

dunl12496

... That seems pretty presumptuous and arrogant.. Are you trying to tell us you know what following god is?

i have no good reason to believe heaven even exists.

The ones that have accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. The ones that live their life for Christ. I can't givea quantitative though.

God forgives who he wants so i really cant say

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Hell in Islam...is temporary...ghoklebutter

I would say maybe 1, if it was a lucky group. People don't understand what following God is. What do you think. Also, I would go to hell if I died now. And atheists, just play along.

dunl12496

Saying 1 out of a thousand is even pushing it. Christ is the only way to heaven, and even then there are so many false professing christians in the world today that it's almost a joke. You will know them by their fruit. A true child of God will be led by their Father and will not live like the world.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Hell in Islam...is temporary...foxhound_fox

there is no indication at all in Quran that hell is temporary. it only mentions that the final destination of sinners is hell.

there is no indication at all in Quran that hell is temporary. it only mentions that the final destination of sinners is hell.Harisemo

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]there is no indication at all in Quran that hell is temporary. it only mentions that the final destination of sinners is hell.foxhound_fox

but you can say that thevery concept of Hell (whether temporary or not) contradicts the "All-Merciful" God but thats not how it works, Allah is mericful which is why he forgives those who ask for forgiveness. These modern thinkers (some but not all) contradict Quran if anything lol.

but you can say that thevery concept of Hell (whether temporary or not) contradicts the "All-Merciful" God but thats not how it works, Allah is mericful which is why he forgives those who ask for forgiveness. These modern thinkers (some but not all) contradict Quran if anything lol.Harisemo

The ones that have accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. The ones that live their life for Christ. I can't givea quantitative though.

lowkey254

I thought it was harder to go to heaven then just accepting Christ. Like, no sin and all that stuff that basicaly narrows it down to one nun in 100000 people. chaplainDMK

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]but you can say that thevery concept of Hell (whether temporary or not) contradicts the "All-Merciful" God but thats not how it works, Allah is mericful which is why he forgives those who ask for forgiveness. These modern thinkers (some but not all) contradict Quran if anything lol.foxhound_fox

the sinners will feel remorse only when they witness what they had sowed and it will be too late for forgiveness. They had their chance in the earthly life. also if God will forgive everyone then that just ruins the whole point of religion and faith.

Quran says:"Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to anyway Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy."

At the end of the day whether hell contradicts merciful God or not, one thing is certain from Quran that hell is indeed permanent. Whether some "modern thinkers" want to believe differently is their problem and in fact they are contradicting Quran.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]I thought it was harder to go to heaven then just accepting Christ. Like, no sin and all that stuff that basicaly narrows it down to one nun in 100000 people. foxhound_fox

the sinners will feel remorse only when they witness what they had sowed and it will be too late for forgiveness. They had their chance in the earthly life. also if God will forgive everyone then that just ruins the whole point of religion and faith.

Quran says:"Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to anyway Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy."

At the end of the day whether hell contradicts merciful God or not, one thing is certain from Quran that hell is indeed permanent. Whether some "modern thinkers" want to believe differently is their problem and in fact they are contradicting Quran.

Harisemo

You aren't even paying attention to what I am saying. I am saying the idea of "All-Merciful" whether in Islam or another theology, contradicts the idea of eternal punishment. The Qur'an says its non-contradictory... but that is the major contradiction I have a problem with.

And I'd like to see the literal translations for the word in Arabic representing "forever" because with my experience with the Dao De Jing recently, the opening 12 characters can be interpreted in so many vastly different ways, that the original Arabic Qur'an missing its vowel diacritics definitely makes me question any English translation, or even interpretation of the Arabic by theologians.

foxhound_fox

well i dont see it as a contradiction so to each their own i guess. as for literal translation im afraid only on arab speaker can help you on that though many trusted translators have indeed translated that word as forever and that is good enough for me. the markings not found in original Quran were only added to make Quran easier for non arabs. it isnot suppose to have any impact on the actual words and their meanings.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] They bring lulz and drama. dunl12496

Why so mean? What's wrong with my beliefs that make them inferior to yours? Why can't I speak my belief without getting hated on? Why don't these posts ever get removed?

@dunl12496

you're so smart. really, i mean it. your insight to whom would be chosen to go to Heaven if it exists is spot on. with that said, we no longer need religious threads in OT. thank you.

If Heaven exists, and the criteria for getting in was the New Testament... 3, maybe...

None. Cause either god or heaven exist's.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the sinners will feel remorse only when they witness what they had sowed and it will be too late for forgiveness. They had their chance in the earthly life. also if God will forgive everyone then that just ruins the whole point of religion and faith.

Quran says:"Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to anyway Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy."

At the end of the day whether hell contradicts merciful God or not, one thing is certain from Quran that hell is indeed permanent. Whether some "modern thinkers" want to believe differently is their problem and in fact they are contradicting Quran.

foxhound_fox

Hmm, interesting, it sounds like Greek and Hebrew are not the only languages with this exact same issue.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the sinners will feel remorse only when they witness what they had sowed and it will be too late for forgiveness. They had their chance in the earthly life. also if God will forgive everyone then that just ruins the whole point of religion and faith.

Quran says:"Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to anyway Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy."

At the end of the day whether hell contradicts merciful God or not, one thing is certain from Quran that hell is indeed permanent. Whether some "modern thinkers" want to believe differently is their problem and in fact they are contradicting Quran.

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