Take 1000 People, How Many Do You Think Go To Heaven

Accepting Jesus means, NEVER CURSING, never talking crudely, waiting for marriage to have sex, not getting divorced unless the other commits adultery and accepting everyone even if you don't like them. Among other things. Society has evolved doing the minimum into religion. How many do you think now? And also, it doesn't matter what religous group you're in. You just have to follow the bible without false doctrine.

dunl12496

Huh, never knew you determined what did and didn't qualify as accepting Jesus.

Anyways, none, I don't play.

Allah is the most merciful to those who believe in Him and his last PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)blaze_adeel

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]Allah is the most merciful to those who believe in Him and his last PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)foxhound_fox

there is no contradiction at all mate. God is all merciful and the message is clear. You can't murder someone and expect God to let you go coz he is "All Merciful". God is also just and justice will surely be served. You were already warned what the punishment will be and the merciful God was merciful enough to show you the path and also merciful enough to forgive you if you had asked for forgiveness but you spent your whole life in complete denial. This is not rocket science you're trying to figure out. As for people who were never exposed to Islam, God does not punish those who werent warned. God mentions in Quran there wasnt a single town he destroyed prior to giving them a warning andthose who never recieved the warning will surely be forgiven.

All-Merciful doesnt mean God will be happy with you no matter what you do. I don't see whats so hard to understand here

there is no contradiction at all mate. God is all merciful and the message is clear. You can't murder someone and expect God to let you go coz he is "All Merciful". God is also just and justice will surely be served. You were already warned what the punishment will be and the merciful God was merciful enough to show you the path and also merciful enough to forgive you if you had asked for forgiveness but you spent your whole life in complete denial. This is not rocket science you're trying to figure out. As for people who were never exposed to Islam, God does not punish those who werent warned. God mentions in Quran there wasnt a single town he destroyed prior to giving them a warning andthose who never recieved the warning will surely be forgiven.

All-Merciful doesnt mean God will be happy with you no matter what you do. I don't see whats so hard to understand here

Harisemo

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]Allah is the most merciful to those who believe in Him and his last PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)Harisemo

there is no contradiction at all mate. God is all merciful and the message is clear. You can't murder someone and expect God to let you go coz he is "All Merciful". God is also just and justice will surely be served. You were already warned what the punishment will be and the merciful God was merciful enough to show you the path and also merciful enough to forgive you if you had asked for forgiveness but you spent your whole life in complete denial. This is not rocket science you're trying to figure out. As for people who were never exposed to Islam, God does not punish those who werent warned. God mentions in Quran there wasnt a single town he destroyed prior to giving them a warning andthose who never recieved the warning will surely be forgiven.

All-Merciful doesnt mean God will be happy with you no matter what you do. I don't see whats so hard to understand here

This is a very common line, and it never makes any sense no matter how many times it's used.

If anyone who was not warned is forgiven, but someone who was warned might not be forgiven, then what is the value in warning someone? If I am not warned, I am guaranteed forgiveness; if I am, then I am not. Why would I prefer to be not guaranteed forgiveness than to be guaranteed forgiveness? By warning someone, you are effectively placing them in danger, danger they would have never been in had you not done so.

Accepting Jesus means, NEVER CURSING, never talking crudely, waiting for marriage to have sex, not getting divorced unless the other commits adultery and accepting everyone even if you don't like them.dunl12496

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I assume you are Muslim? From my perspective, and my knowledge of religious philosophy, and my common-sensical view of the world... an "All-Merciful" God would never use an eternal punishment, especially if everyone is only given one life to figure it out.

We are going to have to agree to disagree, because you aren't willing to argue against my points, and instead just keep quoting what the Qur'an says. I'm not trying to contradict what the Qur'an says, but trying to argue my interpretation of what it says being logically unsound from an outside perspective.

Also, if you could find any sources on the language of "forever" and "eternal" that would be much appreciated. I have no idea what to look for as I have absolutely no background in Semitic languages.

foxhound_fox

You say only "one life" as if it was a short time lol. I still don't see any contradictions so like i said to each their own. I'm not arabic but according to this http://www.yuksel.org/e/religion/hell.htmthe arabic word used is Khalada and it means to be eternal, live forever, to remain for ever in place, or to stay for long time, or life time.

I havent read all of it but thatlink contains some interesting stuff regarding what we're discussing so you might want to read it.

This is a very common line, and it never makes any sense no matter how many times it's used.

If anyone who was not warned is forgiven, but someone who was warned might not be forgiven, then what is the value in warning someone? If I am not warned, I am guaranteed forgiveness; if I am, then I am not. Why would I prefer to be not guaranteed forgiveness than to be guaranteed forgiveness? By warning someone, you are effectively placing them in danger, danger they would have never been in had you not done so.

GabuEx

so you can go to hell :twisted: j/k but really i dont know the answer to this.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

This is a very common line, and it never makes any sense no matter how many times it's used.

If anyone who was not warned is forgiven, but someone who was warned might not be forgiven, then what is the value in warning someone? If I am not warned, I am guaranteed forgiveness; if I am, then I am not. Why would I prefer to be not guaranteed forgiveness than to be guaranteed forgiveness? By warning someone, you are effectively placing them in danger, danger they would have never been in had you not done so.

Harisemo

so you can go to hell :twisted: j/k but really i dont know the answer to this.

And that... doesn't bother you?

And that... doesn't bother you?GabuEx

And that... doesn't bother you?

GabuEx

nope

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]And that... doesn't bother you?foxhound_fox

I'm a muslim not a christian. There are no tickets to heaven for muslims but only good deeds ;)

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

And that... doesn't bother you?

Harisemo

nope

The fact that Muslim evangelism can only serve to rob the one hearing the message of his divine forgiveness, and that therefore everyone would be eternally better off having never heard this message... does not bother you?

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

And that... doesn't bother you?

GabuEx

nope

The fact that Muslim evangelism can only serve to rob the one hearing the message of his divine forgiveness, and that therefore everyone would be eternally better off having never heard this message... does not bother you?

sorryi thought you meant it doesnt bother me not knowing the answer lolmaybe i got something wrong as im no expert and what you said does sound silly. All I can say is God knows the best.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

nope

Harisemo

The fact that Muslim evangelism can only serve to rob the one hearing the message of his divine forgiveness, and that therefore everyone would be eternally better off having never heard this message... does not bother you?

sorryi thought you meant it doesnt bother me not knowing the answer lolmaybe i got something wrong as im no expert and what you said does sound silly. All I can say is God knows the best.

Come on, that is such a copout. :? If the option on one hand is eternal damnation, and the option on the other hand is eternal paradise, it doesn't exactly take God to figure out which is better.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The fact that Muslim evangelism can only serve to rob the one hearing the message of his divine forgiveness, and that therefore everyone would be eternally better off having never heard this message... does not bother you?

GabuEx

sorryi thought you meant it doesnt bother me not knowing the answer lolmaybe i got something wrong as im no expert and what you said does sound silly. All I can say is God knows the best.

Come on, that is such a copout. :? If the option on one hand is eternal damnation, and the option on the other hand is eternal paradise, it doesn't exactly take God to figure out which is better.

ofcourse paradise is better but what im saying is thati dont know how the concept ofnot being warned = go to heaven works and God knows the best so i'd just leave it at that.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

And that... doesn't bother you?

nope

The fact that Muslim evangelism can only serve to rob the one hearing the message of his divine forgiveness, and that therefore everyone would be eternally better off having never heard this message... does not bother you?

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