http://www.wsmv.com/news/27997838/detail.html
A more detailed article here: http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2011/05/tennessee-governor-signs-bill-promoting-discrimination-into-law/
So much for that "small gubment" crap. :roll:
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Allowing discrimination equals job creation? Huh? I think he was being sarcastic, though I can name a good few GOP governors who would say the same thing with complete seriousness.Anyone who thinks this wont create jobs is in denial:roll:
MattUD1
[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Allowing discrimination equals job creation? Huh? I think he was being sarcastic, though I can name a good few GOP governors who would say the same thing with complete seriousness. That's what I thought the rolling eyes were for, but one can never be too sure; especially after being away from GS for a few months and not knowing who is who.Anyone who thinks this wont create jobs is in denial:roll:
Theokhoth
And nothing of value was lost...
Freedom from discrimination is nothing of value? Meh. Everyone discriminates. I see; so it would be fine to tell black people to get out of the bus because "everyone discriminates" now?[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Freedom from discrimination is nothing of value?TheokhothMeh. Everyone discriminates. I see; so it would be fine to tell black people to get out of the bus because "everyone discriminates" now? jim crow laws were state enacted.....
[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Freedom from discrimination is nothing of value?TheokhothMeh. Everyone discriminates. I see; so it would be fine to tell black people to get out of the bus because "everyone discriminates" now? No, but there is a very limited scope of discrimination that the law recognizes. Saying that "discrimination" is bad is to make a very broad statement - you can treat anyone like a protected class if they have been discriminated against in some way. If some people don't like to date blonde girls, they are discriminating against them. Does that mean we should make blonde girls a protected class? No. So your term "freedom from discrimination" is essentially meaningless.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Meh. Everyone discriminates. fidosimI see; so it would be fine to tell black people to get out of the bus because "everyone discriminates" now? No, but there is a very limited scope of discrimination that the law recognizes. Saying that "discrimination" is bad is to make a very broad statement - you can treat anyone like a protected class if they have been discriminated against in some way. If some people don't like to date blonde girls, they are discriminating against them. Does that mean we should make blonde girls a protected class? No. So your term "freedom from discrimination" is essentially meaningless. This is in regards to discrimination in the business or the public and you know that.
[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] I see; so it would be fine to tell black people to get out of the bus because "everyone discriminates" now?TheokhothNo, but there is a very limited scope of discrimination that the law recognizes. Saying that "discrimination" is bad is to make a very broad statement - you can treat anyone like a protected class if they have been discriminated against in some way. If some people don't like to date blonde girls, they are discriminating against them. Does that mean we should make blonde girls a protected class? No. So your term "freedom from discrimination" is essentially meaningless. This is in regards to discrimination in the business or the public and you know that.
I think I'm going to file a lawsuit against Hooters. They won't hire me because I don't have tig o bitties.
This is in regards to discrimination in the business or the public and you know that.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="fidosim"] No, but there is a very limited scope of discrimination that the law recognizes. Saying that "discrimination" is bad is to make a very broad statement - you can treat anyone like a protected class if they have been discriminated against in some way. If some people don't like to date blonde girls, they are discriminating against them. Does that mean we should make blonde girls a protected class? No. So your term "freedom from discrimination" is essentially meaningless.SpartanMSU
I think I'm going to file a lawsuit against Hooters. They won't hire me because I don't have tig o bitties.
That's your prerogative. I mean, not like it hasn't been brought up before.[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]The article didnt say, but was there actually any reason for this legislation? Id really like to know how they justified this...alexside1I like to know this a well. (And no, theo speculation doesn't count.)Link
The bill seems stupid in the fact that it prohibits cities and county's from enacting their own policies that they want.
But I don't see why a ban on discrimination against LGBT was needed in the first place. How would you even prove that you were discriminated against in court? It just seems like a way for people who don't get the job to put the blame somewhere else. Oh wait, government policies having unintended consqequences? What a surprise!
Problem is, discrimination goes beyond just the hiring process. From the EEOC website:The bill seems stupid in the fact that it prohibits cities and county's from enacting their own policies that they want.
But I don't see why a ban on discrimination against LGBT was needed in the first place. How would you even prove that you were discriminated against in court? It just seems like a way for people who don't get the job to put the blame somewhere else. Oh wait, government policies having unintended consqequences? What a surprise!
SpartanMSU
hiring and firing;
compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
job advertisements;
recruitment;
testing;
use of company facilities;
training and apprenticeship programs;
fringe benefits;
pay, retirement plans, and disability leave;
or other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information;
and denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. So it could be easy to prove you were discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation/gender identity after or during the hiring process.
Problem is, discrimination goes beyond just the hiring process. From the EEOC website:[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]
The bill seems stupid in the fact that it prohibits cities and county's from enacting their own policies that they want.
But I don't see why a ban on discrimination against LGBT was needed in the first place. How would you even prove that you were discriminated against in court? It just seems like a way for people who don't get the job to put the blame somewhere else. Oh wait, government policies having unintended consqequences? What a surprise!
bigdcstile
hiring and firing;
compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
job advertisements;
recruitment;
testing;
use of company facilities;
training and apprenticeship programs;
fringe benefits;
pay, retirement plans, and disability leave;
or other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information;
and denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. So it could be easy to prove you were discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation/gender identity after or during the hiring process.
I don't see how it would be easy...
What you posted is just more ways you can be discriminated against other than the hiring process.
Just seems like another way for people to file ridiculous lawsuits and make a quick buck by government coercion.
Problem is, discrimination goes beyond just the hiring process. From the EEOC website:[QUOTE="bigdcstile"]
[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]
The bill seems stupid in the fact that it prohibits cities and county's from enacting their own policies that they want.
But I don't see why a ban on discrimination against LGBT was needed in the first place. How would you even prove that you were discriminated against in court? It just seems like a way for people who don't get the job to put the blame somewhere else. Oh wait, government policies having unintended consqequences? What a surprise!
SpartanMSU
hiring and firing;
compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
job advertisements;
recruitment;
testing;
use of company facilities;
training and apprenticeship programs;
fringe benefits;
pay, retirement plans, and disability leave;
or other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information;
and denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. So it could be easy to prove you were discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation/gender identity after or during the hiring process.
I don't see how it would be easy...
What you posted is just more ways you can be discriminated against other than the hiring process.
Just seems like another way for people to file ridiculous lawsuits and make a quick buck by government coercion.
Hey, if it's coercion to ensure that equal rights to employment and upward movement are enacted across the board, then I'll take that coercion.[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]this yeah because **** anti-discrimination laws amirite?And nothing of value was lost...
surrealnumber5
[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"][QUOTE="bigdcstile"] Problem is, discrimination goes beyond just the hiring process. From the EEOC website:
hiring and firing;
compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
job advertisements;
recruitment;
testing;
use of company facilities;
training and apprenticeship programs;
fringe benefits;
pay, retirement plans, and disability leave;
or other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information;
and denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. So it could be easy to prove you were discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation/gender identity after or during the hiring process.
bigdcstile
I don't see how it would be easy...
What you posted is just more ways you can be discriminated against other than the hiring process.
Just seems like another way for people to file ridiculous lawsuits and make a quick buck by government coercion.
Hey, if it's coercion to ensure that equal rights to employment and upward movement are enacted across the board, then I'll take that coercion.But the thing is, it doesn't ensure equal rights...it creates more problems than it solves. Unintended consquences FTW.
This is in regards to discrimination in the business or the public and you know that.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="fidosim"] No, but there is a very limited scope of discrimination that the law recognizes. Saying that "discrimination" is bad is to make a very broad statement - you can treat anyone like a protected class if they have been discriminated against in some way. If some people don't like to date blonde girls, they are discriminating against them. Does that mean we should make blonde girls a protected class? No. So your term "freedom from discrimination" is essentially meaningless.SpartanMSU
I think I'm going to file a lawsuit against Hooters. They won't hire me because I don't have tig o bitties.
You're too late.
Are you saying that there is no such thing as workplace discrimination?The bill seems stupid in the fact that it prohibits cities and county's from enacting their own policies that they want.
But I don't see why a ban on discrimination against LGBT was needed in the first place. How would you even prove that you were discriminated against in court? It just seems like a way for people who don't get the job to put the blame somewhere else. Oh wait, government policies having unintended consqequences? What a surprise!
SpartanMSU
This law doesn't go far enough. It should be legal to discriminate against anyone, regardless of race, sex, religion, national origin, or sexuality. Discrimination based on an individual's identity is wrong, but you shouldn't force a business to do something they don't want to do. Besides, if a business wants to discriminate against gays then why would a gay want to work for them? Smart businesses will come to realize that discrimination doesn't make any sense in the free market.
By your logic, there shouldnt be any laws because someone could abuse any one of them. Just because there may be some people that try and use it to their gain doesnt mean the law shouldnt be enacted... This is why we have a judicial system.But the thing is, it doesn't ensure equal rights...it creates more problems than it solves. Unintended consquences FTW.
SpartanMSU
THis is just how the republican party is now. discrimination and promoting ignorance are higher on their agenda than jobs or the economy.
Two real big questions that I've always thought of when it came down to the legality of discrimination: Is there and should there be a 'right' to discriminate against anyone on a public or private level when it comes to employment? And does discrimination or the right to discriminate somehow aid the free market?This law doesn't go far enough. It should be legal to discriminate against anyone, regardless of race, sex, religion, national origin, or sexuality. Discrimination based on an individual's identity is wrong, but you shouldn't force a business to do something they don't want to do. Besides, if a business wants to discriminate against gays then why would a gay want to work for them? Smart businesses will come to realize that discrimination doesn't make any sense in the free market.
Genetic_Code
To be fair, Sandoval (Republican governor of Nevada) signed a bill banning discrimination against transgenders today. Now if only there were more than fourteen states banning such discrimination.THis is just how the republican party is now. discrimination and promoting ignorance are higher on their agenda than jobs or the economy.
CaveJohnson1
Who discriminates against bisexuals? Unless they tell you about it you can't possibly know that that's their sexuality.
[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]You're only allowed to be bisexual if you prefer the opposite sex. Didn't you know?:roll:Who discriminates against bisexuals? Unless they tell you about it you can't possibly know that that's their sexuality.
Theokhoth
How do you tell if someone's bisexual, unless they tell you?
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]this yeah because ****discrimination laws amirite? fixed and yes absolutely, screw unequal treatment under the law.And nothing of value was lost...
HoolaHoopMan
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] jim crow laws were state enacted.....surrealnumber5And they were evil and unconstitutional and now are illegal to enact. Your point? one discriminatory law does not justify another, the only way to have no legal discriminatory laws is to have no discriminatory laws. I agree; so get rid of the laws discriminating against LGBT citizens. Don't create them.
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