Tennessee Governor Signs Bill Overturning LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinance

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If churches would pay TAXES, than i would be all in favor of what your saying.. But they don't, and they are still given the services they are getting for free..

imetamonster

Do you want Planned Parenthood to pay taxes?

I dont think they should

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] The State does not pay tithes. We have separation of Church and State, one paying the other violates that separation. Moreover "the power to tax is the power to destroy" and having rights does not depend on paying taxes. Also the Church is a non-profit and thus does not pay taxes and other non-profits do not pay taxes also.

Do you want Planned Parenthood to pay taxes?

whipassmt

I dont think they should

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I dont think they should

imetamonster

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you recently came out here right? it was about a month ago, and at that time you said you understood both ends of the debate going on at that time correct? let me ask you, what do you think breads more hate, is it the heavy hand of the law trying to bend people to its whim(see prohibition, traffic laws) or is it that of lone outliers in society who these laws are to protect you against? what is better for you in the long run to suppress others even ones who prior held no ill will even fellow gays from making light of their fancy as all people do, or letting those few people who might hold some form of prejudice against you have the same voice you do? im off of work now, you will have about an hr to think over an answer.

imetamonster

Im having a hard time understnanding the question

and on a side note policies like this tend to have the opposite effect than what was intended, see the americans for disabilities act signed by bush Sr. it was intended to increase handicap employment and the number of disabled employed has dropped since it was signed into law, as it turns out people do not like to higher workers who come with extra liabilities, and the inability to fire them without being sued because the employee claims it is because he or she is of X protected class.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Why shouldn't Planned Parenthood pay taxes?

whipassmt

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

Its neccesarry they provide things like that. I dont see any churchs helping people with STDs. Church is mainly, church. And thats not a hosbital that saves lives

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Why shouldn't Planned Parenthood pay taxes?

whipassmt

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

imetamonster

Its neccesarry they provide things like that. I dont see any churchs helping people with STDs. Church is mainly, church. And thats not a hosbital that saves lives

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

They are life savers

Help people who have stds, etc.

DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] this questionsurrealnumber5

Im having a hard time understnanding the question

and on a side note policies like this tend to have the opposite effect than what was intended, see the americans for disabilities act signed by bush Sr. it was intended to increase handicap employment and the number of disabled employed has dropped since it was signed into law, as it turns out people do not like to higher workers who come with extra liabilities, and the inability to fire them without being sued because the employee claims it is because he or she is of X protected class.

I see...

Though i see this as a respect thing. Being told you were not hired because of your sexuality just does not seem right to me. At all. I doubt this would cause a uprising on homophobia.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] The Church operates many hospitals and other things that save lives. I bet they save more lives than Planned Parenthood which really only provides care for things related to the reproductive system (they won't help you if you're having a heart attack). And at least the Church doesn't kill innocent babies via abortion.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] The Church operates many hospitals and other things that save lives. I bet they save more lives than Planned Parenthood which really only provides care for things related to the reproductive system (they won't help you if you're having a heart attack). And at least the Church doesn't kill innocent babies via abortion.

whipassmt

Wow... I find this ignorant

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Scientifically and lawfully, fetuses are not babiesDroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Scientifically and lawfully, fetuses are not babiesimetamonster

Wow... I find this ignorant

And nothing of value was lost...

CHOASXIII

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Lawfully depends on what law you are talking about. But if you insist, at least the Church doesn't kill Human Beings through abortion. Is that better.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Lawfully depends on what law you are talking about. But if you insist, at least the Church doesn't kill Human Beings through abortion. Is that better.

whipassmt

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Im having a hard time understnanding the question

imetamonster

and on a side note policies like this tend to have the opposite effect than what was intended, see the americans for disabilities act signed by bush Sr. it was intended to increase handicap employment and the number of disabled employed has dropped since it was signed into law, as it turns out people do not like to higher workers who come with extra liabilities, and the inability to fire them without being sued because the employee claims it is because he or she is of X protected class.

I see...

Though i see this as a respect thing. Being told you were not hired because of your sexuality just does not seem right to me. At all. I doubt this would cause a uprising on homophobia.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The majority opinion in Row v. Wade already set guidelines. A fetus is not a person/human being/baby.DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The majority opinion in Row v. Wade already set guidelines. A fetus is not a person/human being/baby.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Roe v. Wade only applies in the United States. And the Supreme Court cannot make scientific determinations. And yes a fetus is a human being, it has human DNA and two human parents, it is not a dog or a leaf it is a human.

whipassmt

No, it's a wookie.

I dont mean to use any offending language. Im just trying to stand up for what i believe in.

When i first heard of abortion, i thought it was the saddest thing in the world. As i actually talked to teenage girls who thought about/ or have acted uponit my thoughts on it changed.

And still i dont know if i agree with abortion or not. But i would rather have women get it done proffesionaly than at home or somewhere else. And i see that many women would use unsafe ways if it were'nt for proffessional doctors who do it.

I try to extend my thoughts and put my self in other peoples shoes. And that goes with the whole discriminating against gays and color of skin

I dont mean to use any offending language. Im just trying to stand up for what i believe in.

When i first heard of abortion, i thought it was the saddest thing in the world. As i actually talked to teenage girls who thought about/ or have acted uponit my thoughts on it changed.

And still i dont know if i agree with abortion or not. But i would rather have women get it done proffesionaly than at home or somewhere else. And i see that many women would use unsafe ways if it were'nt for proffessional doctors who do it.

I try to extend my thoughts and put my self in other peoples shoes. And that goes with the whole discriminating against gays and color of skin

imetamonster

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what is better for society and those with your preference in the long run, to force others behaviors, an action we know always has ill backlashes, or to leave the outliers, the vast minority to their bigotry? do you feel it is better to make all people censor their actions because of a few, or is it better for everyone to be able to think how they like? mind you any sort of force exerted on you from another is already a crime, we are only talking about thoughts here.

and on a side note policies like this tend to have the opposite effect than what was intended, see the americans for disabilities act signed by bush Sr. it was intended to increase handicap employment and the number of disabled employed has dropped since it was signed into law, as it turns out people do not like to higher workers who come with extra liabilities, and the inability to fire them without being sued because the employee claims it is because he or she is of X protected class.

surrealnumber5

I see...

Though i see this as a respect thing. Being told you were not hired because of your sexuality just does not seem right to me. At all. I doubt this would cause a uprising on homophobia.

I see your point on this. Even still, not everyone is going to be happy about it. If someone gets upset at the whole gay community just because a gay person did something, thats being very prejudice.

I would hate to see a uprising on homophobia because of this. People need to understand that there are certain people in our society you have to accept.

I hate to bring the mentioning of gay suicides into this but that is what im thinking about. I have met so many gays in my life. And i have come to realize how not being accepted in our society can be torture. Im sticking by them. Having witnissed a suicide of a loved one, im going to always stick up for anyone who feels overwhelmed enough to do such a thing. And our society isgetting better, but gays still are not treated equally. Ill keep fighting untill they do.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I dont mean to use any offending language. Im just trying to stand up for what i believe in.

When i first heard of abortion, i thought it was the saddest thing in the world. As i actually talked to teenage girls who thought about/ or have acted uponit my thoughts on it changed.

And still i dont know if i agree with abortion or not. But i would rather have women get it done proffesionaly than at home or somewhere else. And i see that many women would use unsafe ways if it were'nt for proffessional doctors who do it.

I try to extend my thoughts and put my self in other peoples shoes. And that goes with the whole discriminating against gays and color of skin

whipassmt

I do. Theres no reason to be racist!! Or homophobic! Some used to say being gay was a disease. Being homophobic is the disease.

Im not going to stick up for people that love to hate.
Im sticking by people who love to love.

Give me any reasons someone should be racist or homophobic?

Its so different!!

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I see...

Though i see this as a respect thing. Being told you were not hired because of your sexuality just does not seem right to me. At all. I doubt this would cause a uprising on homophobia.

imetamonster

I see your point on this. Even still, not everyone is going to be happy about it. If someone gets upset at the whole gay community just because a gay person did something, thats being very prejudice.

I would hate to see a uprising on homophobia because of this. People need to understand that there are certain people in our society you have to accept.

I hate to bring the mentioning of gay suicides into this but that is what im thinking about. I have met so many gays in my life. And i have come to realize how not being accepted in our society can be torture. Im sticking by them. Having witnissed a suicide of a loved one, im going to always stick up for anyone who feels overwhelmed enough to do such a thing. And our society isgetting better, but gays still are not treated equally. Ill keep fighting untill they do.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I dont mean to use any offending language. Im just trying to stand up for what i believe in.

When i first heard of abortion, i thought it was the saddest thing in the world. As i actually talked to teenage girls who thought about/ or have acted uponit my thoughts on it changed.

And still i dont know if i agree with abortion or not. But i would rather have women get it done proffesionaly than at home or somewhere else. And i see that many women would use unsafe ways if it were'nt for proffessional doctors who do it.

I try to extend my thoughts and put my self in other peoples shoes. And that goes with the whole discriminating against gays and color of skin

imetamonster

I do. Theres no reason to be racist!! Or homophobic! Some used to say being gay was a disease. Being homophobic is the disease.

Im not going to stick up for people that love to hate.
Im sticking by people who love to love.

Give me any reasons someone should be racist or homophobic?

Its so different!!

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] do you also try to put yourself into the shoes of racists or "homophobes". Or for that matter in the shoes of the babies that are aborted (yes I know they don't wear shoes).

whipassmt

I do. Theres no reason to be racist!! Or homophobic! Some used to say being gay was a disease. Being homophobic is the disease.

Im not going to stick up for people that love to hate.
Im sticking by people who love to love.

Give me any reasons someone should be racist or homophobic?

Its so different!!

If your homophobic you need help.

For being gay you dont need help.

Im done. I wonder if everything you have posted was just a joke. I have never seen someone stand up for racism and homophobia so openly.

Its nice to know this type of hate is not common

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i have never been told why i did not get a job and i have had around 20 interviews in my life... i am one of the nicest people you'll meet, my circle of friends is filled with all sorts of perversions, and i mean that in the technical since, people who would not be seen as "normal" but if i ever get a citation from an officer because i was calling one of my gay friends gay that would be enough for me to turn into a vindictive bastard. i'd still love my current gay friends but i'd treat the rest of you as if it were your fault.surrealnumber5

I see your point on this. Even still, not everyone is going to be happy about it. If someone gets upset at the whole gay community just because a gay person did something, thats being very prejudice.

I would hate to see a uprising on homophobia because of this. People need to understand that there are certain people in our society you have to accept.

I hate to bring the mentioning of gay suicides into this but that is what im thinking about. I have met so many gays in my life. And i have come to realize how not being accepted in our society can be torture. Im sticking by them. Having witnissed a suicide of a loved one, im going to always stick up for anyone who feels overwhelmed enough to do such a thing. And our society isgetting better, but gays still are not treated equally. Ill keep fighting untill they do.

letting people walk all over you is not the answer either. So many people still think being gay is a choice anyone can make over night. Which is completely false. You cannot choose who you are attracted too.

People need to realize they cannot discriminate because unfortunely, its costing lives. No problem is going away unless you fight back.

Im not talking about any harm of course. But by awareness and acceptance.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I do. Theres no reason to be racist!! Or homophobic! Some used to say being gay was a disease. Being homophobic is the disease.

Im not going to stick up for people that love to hate.
Im sticking by people who love to love.

Give me any reasons someone should be racist or homophobic?

Its so different!!

imetamonster

If your homophobic you need help.

For being gay you dont need help.

Im done. I wonder if everything you have posted was just a joke. I have never seen someone stand up for racism and homophobia so openly.

Its nice to know this type of hate is not common

People don't need help with homophobia. It's something they choose, like being gay :)

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] do you also try to put yourself into the shoes of racists or "homophobes". Or for that matter in the shoes of the babies that are aborted (yes I know they don't wear shoes).

whipassmt

I do. Theres no reason to be racist!! Or homophobic! Some used to say being gay was a disease. Being homophobic is the disease.

Im not going to stick up for people that love to hate.
Im sticking by people who love to love.

Give me any reasons someone should be racist or homophobic?

Its so different!!

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] "homophobia" is not a "disease".

Chutebox

If your homophobic you need help.

For being gay you dont need help.

Im done. I wonder if everything you have posted was just a joke. I have never seen someone stand up for racism and homophobia so openly.

Its nice to know this type of hate is not common

People don't need help with homophobia. It's something they choose, like being gay :)

ITT people need to relax and loosen up a bit.

[spoiler] Shall I call xaos? [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I see your point on this. Even still, not everyone is going to be happy about it. If someone gets upset at the whole gay community just because a gay person did something, thats being very prejudice.

I would hate to see a uprising on homophobia because of this. People need to understand that there are certain people in our society you have to accept.

I hate to bring the mentioning of gay suicides into this but that is what im thinking about. I have met so many gays in my life. And i have come to realize how not being accepted in our society can be torture. Im sticking by them. Having witnissed a suicide of a loved one, im going to always stick up for anyone who feels overwhelmed enough to do such a thing. And our society isgetting better, but gays still are not treated equally. Ill keep fighting untill they do.

imetamonster

letting people walk all over you is not the answer either. So many people still think being gay is a choice anyone can make over night. Which is completely false. You cannot choose who you are attracted too.

People need to realize they cannot discriminate because unfortunely, its costing lives. No problem is going away unless you fight back.

Im not talking about any harm of course. But by awareness and acceptance.

A gay person chooses to be gay as much as a straight person chooses to be straight.

Who would choose to be gay Do you think gays enjoy the fact they are unaccepted, bullied, killed, and hated by many because of there sexuality?

Oh yes. Im sure that all sounds very lovely to everyone

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Roe v. Wade only applies in the United States. And the Supreme Court cannot make scientific determinations. And yes a fetus is a human being, it has human DNA and two human parents, it is not a dog or a leaf it is a human.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] when has peaceful acceptance ever come from a gun? and if you want the government to step in you are asking for force, that is not acceptance that is coercion and it only makes people mad. surrealnumber5

letting people walk all over you is not the answer either. So many people still think being gay is a choice anyone can make over night. Which is completely false. You cannot choose who you are attracted too.

People need to realize they cannot discriminate because unfortunely, its costing lives. No problem is going away unless you fight back.

Im not talking about any harm of course. But by awareness and acceptance.

Maybe from the churchs prespective.

I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.

Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.

Thats peaceful isnt it?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If a fetus is a human being, where can apply for food programs for my unborn child? I mean, it is a human being right? Where do you get your view that a fetus is a human being?DroidPhysX

Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...

Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

letting people walk all over you is not the answer either. So many people still think being gay is a choice anyone can make over night. Which is completely false. You cannot choose who you are attracted too.

People need to realize they cannot discriminate because unfortunely, its costing lives. No problem is going away unless you fight back.

Im not talking about any harm of course. But by awareness and acceptance.

imetamonster

Maybe from the churchs prespective.

I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.

Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.

Thats peaceful isnt it?

That's more of a cult than a church. Actually, I don't think it's a church at all.

A gay person chooses to be gay as much as a straight person chooses to be straight.

Who would choose to be gay Do you think gays enjoy the fact they are unaccepted, bullied, killed, and hated by many because of there sexuality?

Oh yes. Im sure that all sounds very lovely to everyone

imetamonster

Shall I call xaos?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

letting people walk all over you is not the answer either. So many people still think being gay is a choice anyone can make over night. Which is completely false. You cannot choose who you are attracted too.

People need to realize they cannot discriminate because unfortunely, its costing lives. No problem is going away unless you fight back.

Im not talking about any harm of course. But by awareness and acceptance.

imetamonster

Maybe from the churchs prespective.

I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.

Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.

Thats peaceful isnt it?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Shall I call xaos?

alexside1

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] If it is not a human being than what is it, an Ewok?

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Shall I call xaos?

alexside1

Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...

Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...

SpartanMSU

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Shall I call xaos?

surrealnumber5

And you said that you do have gay friends.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so your intent is vindictive, that is also not peaceful or accepting. surrealnumber5

Maybe from the churchs prespective.

I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.

Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.

Thats peaceful isnt it?

So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...

Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...

toast_burner

No.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...

Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...

toast_burner