Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.
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Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.
youre not the first person who has called him that, its weird that i like xaos the poster. even though i dont have his particular cardinal desires Why would it be weird? It would only be weird for a homophobe.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Yes, call Mr. Satan himself. And had him give us some lawls.
Teenaged
And you said that you do have gay friends.
better? i guess punctuation does matteri guess you always look for reasons to hate people. it is weird that i like a poster that many others call satan, not that he is gay.
[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]If they aren't allowed to spread their racist and homophobic views then eventually all racists and homophobes would die out That would violate freedom of speech if that would happen. Lukily in the UK (not sure about else where in the world) hate speech isn't protected by freedom of speech.Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...
Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...
alexside1
Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runRacist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.
imetamonster
till a person calls for action it is a peaceful demonstration even if you do not like it. we have many rights and freedoms but we do not have a right to force our wills on others, we do not have a freedom from disagreement[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
Maybe from the churchs prespective.
I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.
Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.
Thats peaceful isnt it?
imetamonster
So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.
murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.[QUOTE="imetamonster"]Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runRacist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.
toast_burner
What helps in the long run?
[QUOTE="imetamonster"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] till a person calls for action it is a peaceful demonstration even if you do not like it. we have many rights and freedoms but we do not have a right to force our wills on others, we do not have a freedom from disagreement surrealnumber5
So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.
murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays
Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long run[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.
imetamonster
What helps in the long run?
Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner
What helps in the long run?
Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)Yay ThoughtCrime!!!
[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner
What helps in the long run?
Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind) So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner
What helps in the long run?
Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)It does help in the long run. Thats what iv been saying
murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.
imetamonster
Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays
only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to helpCensoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
What helps in the long run?
imetamonster
It does help in the long run. Thats what iv been saying
The ends justified the means then?[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind) So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
What helps in the long run?
alexside1
Censoring hate speech is brutal force?
So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)
imetamonster
Censoring hate speech is brutal force?
Slippery slope.So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)
imetamonster
Censoring hate speech is brutal force?
If you read his post, he said "forcing people to be more accepting", how it not brutal force?[QUOTE="imetamonster"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.surrealnumber5
Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays
only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to helpMost if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?
only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to help[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays
imetamonster
Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?
would you say teens are rational people all the time?[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind) So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
What helps in the long run?
alexside1
[QUOTE="imetamonster"][QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?alexside1
Censoring hate speech is brutal force?
If you read his post, he said "forcing people to be more accepting", how it not brutal force?He didnt mean it like that. As i read that i just pictured him saying that homophobia will not be tolerated. Like forcing a child out of the classroom because he backtalked the teacher. I dont see that as brutal force
[QUOTE="imetamonster"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to helpsurrealnumber5
Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?
would you say teens are rational people all the time?No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this
So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything. You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)
toast_burner
would you say teens are rational people all the time?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?
imetamonster
No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this
a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything. You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?alexside1
[QUOTE="imetamonster"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] would you say teens are rational people all the time?surrealnumber5
No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this
a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?I see where you are going with this.
Should you just let the gay kid keep getting teased? Theres two sides to this. And id rather have some kid get expelled than have a kid commit suicide for being bullied. (Which was the case to about 5 or the 9 well-known Gay-teen suicides last septemeber)
You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.
toast_burner
Thank you! This was what i was trying to say
So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)
toast_burner
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?SpartanMSU
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
Wheres the gun coming from?Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?SpartanMSU
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.
a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this
imetamonster
I see where you are going with this.
Should you just let the gay kid keep getting teased? Theres two sides to this. And id rather have some kid get expelled than have a kid commit suicide for being bullied. (Which was the case to about 5 or the 9 well-known Gay-teen suicides last septemeber)
the thing is the kids hold grudges and it wont end there, the kid that was teasing, his life is ruined. he is now out of school and an outcast to society because of a gay kid. now teasing, something all kids do has created a rage filled kid with nothing to lose and a serious ax to grind. i am all for helping a group get though a tough time in their life, but forcing everyone else wont make things better.[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.
imetamonster
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.
If you resist arrest you get shot.
You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.
toast_burner
Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.
[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
ROFLCOPTER603
A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.
If you resist arrest you get shot.
No you don't. You probably get beatenI didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!
The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="alexside1"] You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.alexside1
Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.
Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?
[QUOTE="alexside1"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed
imetamonster
Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.
Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?
It's constitutional, and thats all that matters.[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.
toast_burner
Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?
Wheres the gun coming from?What happens if I resist arrest? The only reason you're not going to resist is because you know law enforcement will eventually use violence to enforce the law. That's how they get authority. How are you supposed to enforce the law without punishment?
[QUOTE="alexside1"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed
imetamonster
Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.
Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?
As long it's peaceful protest, then yes. What's the point of freedom of speech if you only allow speeches that you agree with?I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!
Victorious_Fize
Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.
Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored
[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]
A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.
DroidPhysX
If you resist arrest you get shot.
No you don't. You probably get beatenActually, you would probably get tazed. But if you are too far away the guns come out.
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!
imetamonster
Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.
Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored
Color and sexual orientation are two very different topics of the same coin: discrimination. One is more grander than the other.
Why would it be weird? It would only be weird for a homophobe.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] youre not the first person who has called him that, its weird that i like xaos the poster. even though i dont have his particular cardinal desires surrealnumber5
And you said that you do have gay friends.
better? i guess punctuation does matteri guess you always look for reasons to hate people. it is weird that i like a poster that many others call satan, not that he is gay.
What? Who is looking for reasons to hate people?To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.
Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.
The Supreme Court FORCED the south to integrate...To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.
Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.
imetamonster
[QUOTE="imetamonster"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!
Victorious_Fize
Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.
Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored
Color and sexual orientation are two very different topics of the same coin: discrimination. One is more grander than the other.
And? Just becuase one isnt as common you should ignore it?
Im tired of people hating on others for anything. And homophobia i see everyday.
Whether this does harm or not i dont know anymore...
All i know is Gaysshould to be treated equally just like anyone else. I find it hard for people to opose that because we are all human. To hate on gays could be considered evil.
At least to me..
[QUOTE="imetamonster"]The Supreme Court FORCED the south to integrate...To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.
Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.
DroidPhysX
exactly. the most successful tactic of the civil rights movement was using the supreme court to bend the will of the states and it allows progress to come much faster than if it were simply up to the states (with deeply rooted, bigoted majorities). would people in this thread honestly say that things would have been better if the civil rights movement in the south took decades (more likely, centuries) longer to accomplish what it could with the "brown Vs board of education" case? if so, thats a pretty repugnant and nonsensical stance.
despite what people here say, people can be forced to tolerate other people and over time, that tolerance becomes the norm.
at first, the general consensus in the south was that they didnt want blacks in schools. for the first year, there were protests, riots and all kinds of hell. only a decade or so later, it was widely accepted that blacks could be in public schools. yes, there were still problems within the schools with bullying and there were still senile dissenters who whined about it. still, its not like we needed the national guard to fend off rabid integration protesters anymore. By the time the 80s rolled around, no one questioned if blacks should be integrated and the racism that was deeply rooted before, was now its own minority.
So what does this show? government intervention can work in protecting civil rights in the short term and long term. and it also shows that decades later, not many people cry for the bigoted states that were overridden by higher governmental authorities.
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