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#251 imetamonster
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Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.

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#252 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Yes, call Mr. Satan himself. And had him give us some lawls.

Teenaged

youre not the first person who has called him that, its weird that i like xaos the poster. even though i dont have his particular cardinal desires

Why would it be weird? It would only be weird for a homophobe.

And you said that you do have gay friends.

better? i guess punctuation does matter

i guess you always look for reasons to hate people. it is weird that i like a poster that many others call satan, not that he is gay.

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#253 alexside1
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Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.

imetamonster
Wait, What? No one says you did.
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#254 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Forcing people to accept gays isn't going to actually make people accept them. That's not how you get real change...

Might as well try punching every racist in the face. Like that's going to change their mind...

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If they aren't allowed to spread their racist and homophobic views then eventually all racists and homophobes would die out

That would violate freedom of speech if that would happen.

Lukily in the UK (not sure about else where in the world) hate speech isn't protected by freedom of speech.
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Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.

imetamonster
Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long run
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#256 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Maybe from the churchs prespective.

I dont really give if thats the case. They are partly the cause of so much of the anti-gay protests that appear from time to time.

Not to mention the west babtist church holding up signs saying "God hates Gays" Actually usingthe f word that ends with oggot.

Thats peaceful isnt it?

imetamonster

till a person calls for action it is a peaceful demonstration even if you do not like it. we have many rights and freedoms but we do not have a right to force our wills on others, we do not have a freedom from disagreement

So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.

murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.
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#257 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.

toast_burner

Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long run

What helps in the long run?

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#258 alexside1
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] If they aren't allowed to spread their racist and homophobic views then eventually all racists and homophobes would die out

That would violate freedom of speech if that would happen.

Lukily in the UK (not sure about else where in the world) hate speech isn't protected by freedom of speech.

If I were living in UK I would be against it. Freedom of speech is not freedom of speech, if it requires approval from the majority of the people/government.
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#259 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] till a person calls for action it is a peaceful demonstration even if you do not like it. we have many rights and freedoms but we do not have a right to force our wills on others, we do not have a freedom from disagreement surrealnumber5

So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.

murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.

Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays

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#260 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Racist people and homophobes will always exist. I never said there was a way they should or will die out.

imetamonster

Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long run

What helps in the long run?

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner

What helps in the long run?

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

Yay ThoughtCrime!!!

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner

What helps in the long run?

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?
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#263 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Nobody said you did. He said you can't change minds, I said that it helps in the long runtoast_burner

What helps in the long run?

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

It does help in the long run. Thats what iv been saying

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

So every action is not neccasary? When there is a crime, you need action to stop it or for justice. You dont let it be.

imetamonster

murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.

Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays

only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to help
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#265 alexside1
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

What helps in the long run?

imetamonster

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

It does help in the long run. Thats what iv been saying

The ends justified the means then?
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#266 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

What helps in the long run?

alexside1

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Censoring hate speech is brutal force?

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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

imetamonster

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Censoring hate speech is brutal force?

Slippery slope.
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

imetamonster

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Censoring hate speech is brutal force?

If you read his post, he said "forcing people to be more accepting", how it not brutal force?
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#269 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] murder and assult are crimes for any reason, speaking your mind is not and should not be a crime unless you intend to incite violence. you seek justice for something that has caused no property or physical damages only the same damages that any argument or disagreement brings.surrealnumber5

Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays

only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to help

Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?

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#270 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Im gunna relate to the gay suicides one more time. Which do seem to be up to 7 times higher in young teens. Our society as a whole is responsible for that. Including me. We all have the will to speak our mind and spread awareness and acceptance for gays

imetamonster

only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to help

Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?

would you say teens are rational people all the time?
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

What helps in the long run?

alexside1

Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

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#272 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?alexside1

Censoring hate speech is brutal force?

If you read his post, he said "forcing people to be more accepting", how it not brutal force?

He didnt mean it like that. As i read that i just pictured him saying that homophobia will not be tolerated. Like forcing a child out of the classroom because he backtalked the teacher. I dont see that as brutal force

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#273 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]only one person is involved in suicide, if you want to start a program to help gay teens get through that phase in their life, more power to you, if you think you can control all other teen, youre going to make things much worse for those you hope to helpsurrealnumber5

Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?

would you say teens are rational people all the time?

No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this

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#274 alexside1
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

toast_burner

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Most if not every suicide could have been prevented! Im not gunna say we can stop them all. But We can prevent suicide. I dont understand why you say only bad comes from this?

imetamonster

would you say teens are rational people all the time?

No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this

a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?
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#276 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?alexside1

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.

The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

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#277 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] would you say teens are rational people all the time?surrealnumber5

No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this

a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?

I see where you are going with this.

Should you just let the gay kid keep getting teased? Theres two sides to this. And id rather have some kid get expelled than have a kid commit suicide for being bullied. (Which was the case to about 5 or the 9 well-known Gay-teen suicides last septemeber)

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#278 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

toast_burner

You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.

The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

Thank you! This was what i was trying to say

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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Censoring hate speech and forcing people to be more accepting (even if they are still homophones deep down in their mind)

toast_burner

So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

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#280 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?SpartanMSU

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

Wheres the gun coming from?
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#281 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] So you used brutal force to get what you wanted?SpartanMSU

Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.

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#282 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

No. Still not seeing how only bad could come of this

imetamonster

a kid gets suspended or expelled for for teasing a gay kid, what do you think he will do next?

I see where you are going with this.

Should you just let the gay kid keep getting teased? Theres two sides to this. And id rather have some kid get expelled than have a kid commit suicide for being bullied. (Which was the case to about 5 or the 9 well-known Gay-teen suicides last septemeber)

the thing is the kids hold grudges and it wont end there, the kid that was teasing, his life is ruined. he is now out of school and an outcast to society because of a gay kid. now teasing, something all kids do has created a rage filled kid with nothing to lose and a serious ax to grind. i am all for helping a group get though a tough time in their life, but forcing everyone else wont make things better.
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

imetamonster

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.

If you resist arrest you get shot.

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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

toast_burner

You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.

The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

ROFLCOPTER603

A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.

If you resist arrest you get shot.

No you don't. You probably get beaten
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I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] You can deem anything thing that these "homophopics" say as hatred. And use the law to silence the minority that you don't approve of. Freedom of speech shouldn't needs people approval.alexside1

The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.

Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?

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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

imetamonster

Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.

Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?

It's constitutional, and thats all that matters.
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not brutal force. The way things are now is that publishing deliberately offensive material or openly saying racist/homophobic things in public can land you with a prison sentence or a hefty fine. Not exactly brutal or anything.

toast_burner

Putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to go to prison because of something controversial they said isn't brutal?

Wheres the gun coming from?

What happens if I resist arrest? The only reason you're not going to resist is because you know law enforcement will eventually use violence to enforce the law. That's how they get authority. How are you supposed to enforce the law without punishment?

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#290 alexside1
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The only thing homophobia does is harm people. Things that do nothing but harm shouldn't be allowed

imetamonster

Harm what? People's feelings? You censoring people freedom of speach, becuase it might hurt people feelings. I consider that to be pathatic. Really, as long it isn't the kind "in your face" type of deal, people should learn to ignore it, not outlaw it.

Do you think its right people should be able to protest people of different nationalities in our country?

As long it's peaceful protest, then yes. What's the point of freedom of speech if you only allow speeches that you agree with?
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#291 imetamonster
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I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!

Victorious_Fize

Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.

Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored

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#292 ROFLCOPTER603
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

A gun is put to your head? You must live in a different country.

DroidPhysX

If you resist arrest you get shot.

No you don't. You probably get beaten

Actually, you would probably get tazed. But if you are too far away the guns come out.

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#293 Victorious_Fize
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I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!

imetamonster

Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.

Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored

Color and sexual orientation are two very different topics of the same coin: discrimination. One is more grander than the other.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] youre not the first person who has called him that, its weird that i like xaos the poster. even though i dont have his particular cardinal desires surrealnumber5

Why would it be weird? It would only be weird for a homophobe.

And you said that you do have gay friends.

better? i guess punctuation does matter

i guess you always look for reasons to hate people. it is weird that i like a poster that many others call satan, not that he is gay.

What? Who is looking for reasons to hate people?
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#295 imetamonster
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To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.

Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.

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#296 DroidPhysX
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To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.

Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.

imetamonster
The Supreme Court FORCED the south to integrate...
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#297 imetamonster
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

I didn't read much, but if this law bans anti-discrimination against discriminative people then I partially agree with it. You should not fight fire with fire, love conquers all!

Victorious_Fize

Love is everything. I couldnt agree more.

Racism isnt aloud in schools, homophobia shouldnt be either. It should not be something that we should approve of. Why is this hard for people to see? I know im not good at explaining things but every concept of the message im trying to type is being ignored

Color and sexual orientation are two very different topics of the same coin: discrimination. One is more grander than the other.

And? Just becuase one isnt as common you should ignore it?

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#298 imetamonster
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Im tired of people hating on others for anything. And homophobia i see everyday.

Whether this does harm or not i dont know anymore...

All i know is Gaysshould to be treated equally just like anyone else. I find it hard for people to opose that because we are all human. To hate on gays could be considered evil.

At least to me..

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Honestly, how many topics a week do we have relating to something about LGBT or some event relating? The law didnt make a difference anyway, people will always discriminate, law or no law. They can ask you your sexual preference in a job interview, it's against the law. If a person is flaunting being gay (which happens mind you), it is the fault of the person. Workplace calls for proffesionalism, and it is expected. If it's not in a job setting, well, there's really nothing you can do anyway, homophobia is a sad fact of life. But really people, Im bisexual and don't give a **** about all of this. The only thing they're doing is making a negative void around the name, and it's not helping at all. But that won't stop people from making endless topics about it. I don't feel this constant need to affirm my sexuality and continually bring it up. :| Let's not forget this is Tenesee, a state that was already biased in the first place? It's not a big deal, just move on already.
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#300 arbitor365
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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

To put it simply i dont think this is fighting fire with fire.

Its almost like protection for the LGTB community. If we were to FORCE people to love gays that would be fighting fire with fire.

DroidPhysX

The Supreme Court FORCED the south to integrate...

exactly. the most successful tactic of the civil rights movement was using the supreme court to bend the will of the states and it allows progress to come much faster than if it were simply up to the states (with deeply rooted, bigoted majorities). would people in this thread honestly say that things would have been better if the civil rights movement in the south took decades (more likely, centuries) longer to accomplish what it could with the "brown Vs board of education" case? if so, thats a pretty repugnant and nonsensical stance.

despite what people here say, people can be forced to tolerate other people and over time, that tolerance becomes the norm.

at first, the general consensus in the south was that they didnt want blacks in schools. for the first year, there were protests, riots and all kinds of hell. only a decade or so later, it was widely accepted that blacks could be in public schools. yes, there were still problems within the schools with bullying and there were still senile dissenters who whined about it. still, its not like we needed the national guard to fend off rabid integration protesters anymore. By the time the 80s rolled around, no one questioned if blacks should be integrated and the racism that was deeply rooted before, was now its own minority.

So what does this show? government intervention can work in protecting civil rights in the short term and long term. and it also shows that decades later, not many people cry for the bigoted states that were overridden by higher governmental authorities.