Tennessee Republican candidate now threatens secesion from the US

Too bad states have no right of secession. You'd think a Congressman would know that.

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"]Nothing is more American than secession. AHUGECAT

The Federal Government is failing to do their job.

It's time for the states to have enough.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"]Nothing is more American than secession. testfactor888

The Federal Government is failing to do their job.

It's time for the states to have enough.

Never going to happen.

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"] We still have the largest economy BY FAR and our national debt relative our GDP is still pretty low (30% IIRC). In contrast the second largest economy in the world (Japan) is in debt by more than twice the amount of it's GDP. Our military power is likewise unrivaled. Our healthcare system has always been ranked low for an industrialized nation, so we've got nowhere to go at this point other than up. I'm failing to see how the US is dying. But hey, go ahead and have your tea party state secede anyway. I'm sure that will end wonderfully. Just look at how well the last secession attempt went when half the country tried to split off. I'm sure your state will be able to fend off the US military.Theokhoth

Cool, let's all bash the South.

"Oh those ignorant, uneducated Southerners!" :roll:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/23/tennessee-republican-floats-secession/?fbid=94a0bnZb7YB So this is the 2nd republican to say his state should secede from the US because of the healthcare law along with Texas Governor Rick Perry.. Didnt these same republicans call americans unpatriotic for being against the war in iraq? A war built on lies and has cost thousands of lives. BTW i NEVER remember hearing ANY democrat go this far as to threaten seccesion because of Bush. This is getting ridicoulousTwistedClownPS3

Did you not hear that Alec Baldwin, amongst others, not say that they were gonna leave the US if George Bush won the 2000 election?

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The Federal Government is failing to do their job.

It's time for the states to have enough.

worlock77

Never going to happen.

[QUOTE="TwistedClownPS3"]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/23/tennessee-republican-floats-secession/?fbid=94a0bnZb7YB So this is the 2nd republican to say his state should secede from the US because of the healthcare law along with Texas Governor Rick Perry.. Didnt these same republicans call americans unpatriotic for being against the war in iraq? A war built on lies and has cost thousands of lives. BTW i NEVER remember hearing ANY democrat go this far as to threaten seccesion because of Bush. This is getting ridicoulousWhiteKnight77

Did you not hear that Alec Baldwin, amongst others, not say that they were gonna leave the US if George Bush won the 2000 election?

These candidates are not threatening to leave the country. They are threatening to have their state seceed. Much different.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire South should secede.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

Same_Jeans_On

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

As far as I'm concerned, the entire South should secede.

Santesyu

[QUOTE="Same_Jeans_On"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

TBoogy

Quebec is surrounded by Canada.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"][QUOTE="Same_Jeans_On"] Not being funny or trying to be nasty or anything, but what you said was kind of stupid. Plenty of countries in the World are surrounded by other countries. It wouldn't be any different for Tennessee, they'd just be surrounded by one country.psychobrew

Quebec is surrounded by Canada.

.......... This would be alot like my left foot seceding from my body.. Sure it would seem like a great idea at first, being supposedly "free" and all.. Intil it realized my body supplied it the nutrients, blood, and oxygen it needed to survive.. No state is self sufficent, and these people have no idea what they are talking about.. Especially when they enjoy federal funded services every day.. The US wouldn't even need to put military pressure to these states.. They would just have boycotted..

We need this guy in charge of Tennessee to get the state going in the right direction.

I guess we haven't learned the consequences of the events that occurred during the 1860s.

I guess we haven't learned the consequences of the events that occurred during the 1860s.

LegendaryFox77

.. It would be far worse then that.. During those times, states were quite autonomous in being able to supply its populations with food and local services.. That is not the case any more.. I would love to see Ten secede only to find out that many of their areas don't have power, running water, or enough food to feed their population.. Its hilarious really.. To me this extreme tea partier/conservative movement has lost all grasp with reality.

The guy is obviously an idiot. Simply because you can't have your way does not warrant succession. HOwever, plenty of dems were threatening to move to Canada during Bush's presidency. It's a shame they didn't go through with that.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/23/tennessee-republican-floats-secession/?fbid=94a0bnZb7YB So this is the 2nd republican to say his state should secede from the US because of the healthcare law along with Texas Governor Rick Perry.. Didnt these same republicans call americans unpatriotic for being against the war in iraq? A war built on lies and has cost thousands of lives. BTW i NEVER remember hearing ANY democrat go this far as to threaten seccesion because of Bush. This is getting ridicoulousTwistedClownPS3

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

Same_Jeans_On

HOwever, plenty of dems were threatening to move to Canada during Bush's presidency. It's a shame they didn't go through with that.

sonicare

Ha-ha. Best post in this thread.:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="Same_Jeans_On"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

UCF_Knight

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

HOwever, plenty of dems were threatening to move to Canada during Bush's presidency. It's a shame they didn't go through with that.

topsemag55

Ha-ha. Best post in this thread.:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="Same_Jeans_On"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

UCF_Knight

Texas wouldn't work either.. The United States would demand Texas would be boycotted by its allies.. And no state is sure as hell self sufficent in any way shape or form.. Any one who seriously thinks this would work without a very great many people suffering extremely is hopelessly nieve.. When you go to your local foods stores, most foods are processed, harvested etc etc from other states.. Furthermore extremely large amounts of funds would be needed to reform the government and its services that eveyr one enjoys there.. Expect taxes to go far higher then ever they been before..

Really hope that threat is idle for his sake

As far as I'm concerned, the entire South should secede.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="Same_Jeans_On"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

At least Texas is not surrounded by other US states; how would the secession of Tennessee even work?

UCF_Knight

Oh I know this one! It's Lesotho!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationLesotho.svg

Also Vatican City and San Marino count (both in Italy).

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

As far as I'm concerned, the entire South should secede.

tocklestein2005

Texas wouldn't work either.. The United States would demand Texas would be boycotted by its allies.. And no state is sure as hell self sufficent in any way shape or form.. Any one who seriously thinks this would work without a very great many people suffering extremely is hopelessly nieve.. When you go to your local foods stores, most foods are processed, harvested etc etc from other states.. Furthermore extremely large amounts of funds would be needed to reform the government and its services that eveyr one enjoys there.. Expect taxes to go far higher then ever they been before..sSubZerOo

In regards to sSubZerOo's post. Texas would be able to make it on its own. Would I want to...no Could we...yes We have a balanced budget, plenty of farm/ranch land, ports, military bases, the oil industry located here, and two huge business centers for multinational corporations (Dallas and Houston)rawsavon

You have military bases owned by the federal government, which would be dismantled.. You have oil companies which would most likely have political pressure applied upon them to abandon them.. The only country in moderate close area you could trade with be Cuba due to the US and Texas Enstrangement.. The power grid, water systems are not self sufficent, you share them with enighboring areas.... Our states are not atonomous, and furthermore it takes a long time for your agirculture to go over to such said things.. Because your claim of sustence being there is not a good one because A) There can be bad harvests.. B) Many of these farms are there for things outside of sustience.... This would be like a part of your body being cut off.. It would have to create its own circulatory system, respitory, etc etc.. States have become interconnected high way thriving off of state trade and the like.. Just because a business has their hq there, doesn't some how mean their greatest assets are tehre..

Balanced budget? What does that mean? Because the federal government gives the majority of the states funds..

Not to mention you do not control the majority factories in which you get your electronics, farming equipment etc etc from.. So yet again.. No you could "survive" i suppose.. But to be actually autnomous and thriving? Hell no.

Texas would be able to make it on its own. rawsavon

True...Texas is and always has been badass.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]In regards to sSubZerOo's post. Texas would be able to make it on its own. Would I want to...no Could we...yes We have a balanced budget, plenty of farm/ranch land, ports, military bases, the oil industry located here, and two huge business centers for multinational corporations (Dallas and Houston)sSubZerOo

You have military bases owned by the federal government, which would be dismantled.. You have oil companies which would most likely have political pressure applied upon them to abandon them.. The only country in moderate close area you could trade with be Cuba due to the US and Texas Enstrangement.. The power grid, water systems are not self sufficent, you share them with enighboring areas.... Our states are not atonomous, and furthermore it takes a long time for your agirculture to go over to such said things.. Because your claim of sustence being there is not a good one because A) There can be bad harvests.. B) Many of these farms are there for things outside of sustience.... This would be like a part of your body being cut off.. It would have to create its own circulatory system, respitory, etc etc.. States have become interconnected high way thriving off of state trade and the like.. Just because a business has their hq there, doesn't some how mean their greatest assets are tehre..

Balanced budget? What does that mean? Because the federal government gives the majority of the states funds..

I don't think you really know what goes on here :?

1. We have all the power we need (electrical and gas)
2. We have tons of excess oil and natural gas (export)
3. We could sustain ourselves with more than enough food (beef and farm lands)...enough to export...in bad year we could trade oil/gas
4. Come try and take the bases...the US would never do that...We have ****ing Pantex (a nuclear disarmament plant)...you try and come in and we nuke...pantex would be a deterrent for both sides to avoid any military conflict
5. I am not suggesting a hostile leave -we would still be trading partners with the US
-Houston would still be a central port to the US (oil companies would not want to rebuild everything)...we would charge a small fee for passing through
6. Taxes would go up.
But we pay no state tax here...replace a federal with a slightly higher state one
7. It is our legal right to leave if we choose

We could make it on our own.
Though it is not something I would endorse

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]In regards to sSubZerOo's post. Texas would be able to make it on its own. Would I want to...no Could we...yes We have a balanced budget, plenty of farm/ranch land, ports, military bases, the oil industry located here, and two huge business centers for multinational corporations (Dallas and Houston)rawsavon

You have military bases owned by the federal government, which would be dismantled.. You have oil companies which would most likely have political pressure applied upon them to abandon them.. The only country in moderate close area you could trade with be Cuba due to the US and Texas Enstrangement.. The power grid, water systems are not self sufficent, you share them with enighboring areas.... Our states are not atonomous, and furthermore it takes a long time for your agirculture to go over to such said things.. Because your claim of sustence being there is not a good one because A) There can be bad harvests.. B) Many of these farms are there for things outside of sustience.... This would be like a part of your body being cut off.. It would have to create its own circulatory system, respitory, etc etc.. States have become interconnected high way thriving off of state trade and the like.. Just because a business has their hq there, doesn't some how mean their greatest assets are tehre..

Balanced budget? What does that mean? Because the federal government gives the majority of the states funds..

Do you manufactor every component needed? No you don't if you look under such things, components are made nation wide (if its made in the US that is)..

2. We have tons of excess oil and natural gas (export)

No one is going to trade with you.. the United States has the power to apply pressure with any country to refuse you..

3. We could sustain ourselves with more than enough food (beef and farm lands)..

Yet again, much of that beef is part of a national company not a Texas company.. Whose to say they decide to move their proffits? And yet again many of those farms are not for sustence reasons.. You would have to prep those farms.. Furthermore yet again you do not manufactor the equipment needed to export it.. Do you manufacture the food to feed the cattle? The equipment, pesticides and herbicides you need to farm?

.enough to export.

Yet again no real country will trade with you..

..in bad year we could trade oil/gas

Yet again, these business may just pull out.. Which leads you to rehiring, rebuilding and numerous other things to what these businesses elft behind..

4. Come try and take the bases...the US would never do that...We have ****ing Pantex

You seem not to understand.. The government personal and equipment there isn't Texas.. its US military.. They would dismantle it.

(a nuclear disarmament plant)...you try and come in and we nuke.

No you wouldn't because you do not have control to the nuclear weapons.. The United States military does.. :lol: You honestly think the governor and elected officials of Texas have access tot hem? No they don't the Pentagon does.. And what is the Pentagon? The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

..pantex would be a deterrent for both sides to avoid any military conflict

No it wouldn't because you do not have the codes to use.. And computers area helluva a thing, the US would shut them down and you wouldn't be able to reactivate them..

5. I am not suggesting a hostile leave -we would still be trading partners with the US

Thats funny becuase the US wouldn't be, and you would starve to death.. No state is autonmous we depend off our neighboring states constantly.. You do not hav ethe factory to upkeep things, nor do you have the electronics to upkeep them..

-Houston would still be a central port to the US

No it wouldn't because the US government would make it so..

(oil companies would not want to rebuild everything).

The United States can last for quite awhile without Texas oil, by then Texas would be self destructiing and falling apart..

..we would charge a small fee for passing through

No because the US would just break off everything.. You seem not to understand every single state needs the collective the United States much more then the collective needing a single state.

6. Taxes would go up. But we pay no state tax here.

...................... Your taxes would have to be far greater then anything close to what the national one is..

..replace a federal with a slightly higher state one We could make it on our own.

You seem not to understand, you would have no social services, no real government etc etc outside of federal budget..

Though it is not something I would endorse

Texas would not endure.. What so ever.. No state can.. Its ridiculous tthat people actually think this is the case.. ENTIRE COUNTRIES CAN NOT EVEN ENDURE being cut off from other countries.. The United States depends off China, just like China depends off the United States.

I think people aren't really really reading what he's saying, but at the same time, this is from the guy who pledged back in 1994 to serve no more than 12 years in the House, yet he continued to run in 2006 and now. Sorry Mr. Career Politician, but I have no interest in voting for a Washingtonian who thinks that he's speaking for my state. There's a reason why you're not leading in the primaries right now.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]In regards to sSubZerOo's post. Texas would be able to make it on its own. Would I want to...no Could we...yes We have a balanced budget, plenty of farm/ranch land, ports, military bases, the oil industry located here, and two huge business centers for multinational corporations (Dallas and Houston)rawsavon

You have military bases owned by the federal government, which would be dismantled.. You have oil companies which would most likely have political pressure applied upon them to abandon them.. The only country in moderate close area you could trade with be Cuba due to the US and Texas Enstrangement.. The power grid, water systems are not self sufficent, you share them with enighboring areas.... Our states are not atonomous, and furthermore it takes a long time for your agirculture to go over to such said things.. Because your claim of sustence being there is not a good one because A) There can be bad harvests.. B) Many of these farms are there for things outside of sustience.... This would be like a part of your body being cut off.. It would have to create its own circulatory system, respitory, etc etc.. States have become interconnected high way thriving off of state trade and the like.. Just because a business has their hq there, doesn't some how mean their greatest assets are tehre..

Balanced budget? What does that mean? Because the federal government gives the majority of the states funds..

I don't think you really know what goes on here :?

1. We have all the power we need (electrical and gas)
2. We have tons of excess oil and natural gas (export)
3. We could sustain ourselves with more than enough food (beef and farm lands)...enough to export...in bad year we could trade oil/gas
4. Come try and take the bases...the US would never do that...We have ****ing Pantex (a nuclear disarmament plant)...you try and come in and we nuke...pantex would be a deterrent for both sides to avoid any military conflict
5. I am not suggesting a hostile leave -we would still be trading partners with the US
-Houston would still be a central port to the US (oil companies would not want to rebuild everything)...we would charge a small fee for passing through
6. Taxes would go up.
But we pay no state tax here...replace a federal with a slightly higher state one
7. It is our legal right to leave if we choose

We could make it on our own.
Though it is not something I would endorse

It's also not your legal right to leave the union. That's what the Civil War was fought over (Confederate states said they had the right to leave, the feds said otherwise) and the result of that war made it crystal clear that states do not have the right to leave the union. Once you're in, you're in forever.

Oh if only Texas or Florida would break away...what a dream U.S. that would be to live without those states.

I don't think you really know what goes on here :?

1. We have all the power we need (electrical and gas)
2. We have tons of excess oil and natural gas (export)
3. We could sustain ourselves with more than enough food (beef and farm lands)...enough to export...in bad year we could trade oil/gas
4. Come try and take the bases...the US would never do that...We have ****ing Pantex (a nuclear disarmament plant)...you try and come in and we nuke...pantex would be a deterrent for both sides to avoid any military conflict
5. I am not suggesting a hostile leave -we would still be trading partners with the US
-Houston would still be a central port to the US (oil companies would not want to rebuild everything)...we would charge a small fee for passing through
6. Taxes would go up.
But we pay no state tax here...replace a federal with a slightly higher state one
7. It is our legal right to leave if we choose

We could make it on our own.
Though it is not something I would endorse

rawsavon

1. Can you say for certain that all your power is generated within your state?

2. That may be. Good luck with getting other countries to trade with you though.

3. See above.

4. Ha! How do you propose to use those nukes when they cannot be operated without Presidential authority? And seriously, do you really believe that you would have the support of the U.S. military there, especially when many stationed there are not from Texas?

5. Uh-huh. Do you really think that the United States would not embargo you to death?

7. No, it isn't. Look up a little thing called Perpetual Union.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

I don't think you really know what goes on here :?

1. We have all the power we need (electrical and gas)
2. We have tons of excess oil and natural gas (export)
3. We could sustain ourselves with more than enough food (beef and farm lands)...enough to export...in bad year we could trade oil/gas
4. Come try and take the bases...the US would never do that...We have ****ing Pantex (a nuclear disarmament plant)...you try and come in and we nuke...pantex would be a deterrent for both sides to avoid any military conflict
5. I am not suggesting a hostile leave -we would still be trading partners with the US
-Houston would still be a central port to the US (oil companies would not want to rebuild everything)...we would charge a small fee for passing through
6. Taxes would go up.
But we pay no state tax here...replace a federal with a slightly higher state one
7. It is our legal right to leave if we choose

We could make it on our own.
Though it is not something I would endorse

worlock77

1. Can you say for certain that all your power is generated within your state?

2. That may be. Good luck with getting other countries to trade with you though.

3. See above.

4. Ha! How do you propose to use those nukes when they cannot be operated without Presidential authority? And seriously, do you really believe that you would have the support of the U.S. military there, especially when many stationed there are not from Texas?

5. Uh-huh. Do you really think that the United States would not embargo you to death?

7. No, it isn't. Look up a little thing called Perpetual Union.

1. Yes, I can...we ship power out (not import in)

2. and 3. See my post to SubZero

4. Nukes are not as safe as you people think they are (hence being sold on the black market) We would plan to take control of them before we left

5. No, I don't (see post to subzero)

7. Texas is the only state with that right (we were our own country when we joined...we made sure we had that right)

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]rawsavon

.. Arrogant? Its called being realistic? I am under no dillusions my state would not be able to function (Michigan) If we seceded.. Canada wouldn't trade with us.. The United States wouldn't trade with us.. We would lose energy because we do not have our own electirc grids.. All electric grids and th like a cross state.. Furthermore our industries use parts and compoenetns form out side of that.. Who the hell do you think produces your farm equipment.. The parts and resources for it? The other states do!.. No state is autonomous.... And yet agian you rlast sentence is ridiculous.. Texas never had control of those bases and nukes to begin with.. You need activation codes and the like to even access nuclear weapons.. Something the Pentagon and the president have control of.... No state would ever survive seceding from the US even if the government didn't take military action.. Do you seriously think that everything you use in Texas is produced in Texas? No it isn't infact if you check everything chances are its not produced in texas.. You have crops, and the like but often times that raw resources is shipped to a different state to be processed.. Our country has thrived off of specialization in which a single state doesn't do everything, and we depend off each other.. Where do you think the pesticides and hebicides are develiped..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]rawsavon