Terrorist attack in London

when are brits gonna stand up against multiculturalism.. i guess your own people getting beheaded in your own streets isnt enough

"Terrorist" attack?  I'm not sure this really qualifies.  

"Terrorist" attack?  I'm not sure this really qualifies.  

hartsickdiscipl

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"Terrorist" attack?  I'm not sure this really qualifies.  

OhJayDubya

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

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"Terrorist" attack?  I'm not sure this really qualifies.  

hartsickdiscipl

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

"Terrorist" attack?  I'm not sure this really qualifies.  

hartsickdiscipl

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"] "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)." Seems to fit the criteria to me.LJS9502_basic

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

Idiots.  

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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"] "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)." Seems to fit the criteria to me.OhJayDubya

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

I don't understand how something like this could create that big a reaction.  Absurd.  Something is up.  I think the media and government are intentionally blowing it out of proportion.  

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I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

hartsickdiscipl

Idiots.  

[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

hartsickdiscipl

I don't understand how something like this could create that big a reaction.  Absurd.  Something is up.  I think the media and government are intentionally blowing it out of proportion.  

Is it just me or did the idiot with the meat cleaver not even mention Islam? I watched the video and saw no mention of Islam. Has someone got some actual evidence?

Is it just me or did the idiot with the meat cleaver not even mention Islam? I watched the video and saw no mention of Islam. Has someone got some actual evidence?

Asim90

Is it just me or did the idiot with the meat cleaver not even mention Islam? I watched the video and saw no mention of Islam. Has someone got some actual evidence?

Asim90

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Is it just me or did the idiot with the meat cleaver not even mention Islam? I watched the video and saw no mention of Islam. Has someone got some actual evidence?

OhJayDubya

Could you please post in testimonies of the witnesses. I'd like to see them saying this.

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Is it just me or did the idiot with the meat cleaver not even mention Islam? I watched the video and saw no mention of Islam. Has someone got some actual evidence?

Asim90

Could you please post in testimonies of the witnesses. I'd like to see them saying this.

EDIT: By the looks of it there is no official testimony but that could change by the morning. 

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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"] Witnesses heard them shouting "Allahu Akbar" when he was beheading the victim.OhJayDubya

Could you please post in testimonies of the witnesses. I'd like to see them saying this.

EDIT: By the looks of it there is no official testimony but that could change by the morning. 

So basically there is absolutely no evidence that is an Islamically motivated crime? Yet everyone is up in arms condeming Muslims. My gosh what a surprise.

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Could you please post in testimonies of the witnesses. I'd like to see them saying this.

Asim90

EDIT: By the looks of it there is no official testimony but that could change by the morning. 

So basically there is absolutely no evidence that is an Islamically motivated crime? Yet everyone is up in arms condeming Muslims. My gosh what a surprise.

Fvckin black Muslims. Only they would hack people to death like their primal friends in Africa.lo_Pine

A very insightful contribution you just delivered there, well done. 

[QUOTE="TruthTellers"]The peaceful religion strikes again.SPBoss

Fvckin black Muslims. Only they would hack people to death like their primal friends in Africa.lo_Pine

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="TruthTellers"]The peaceful religion strikes again.TruthTellers

Did you even read what I said above? Show some evidence that this was done in the name of Islam. 

when are brits gonna stand up against multiculturalism.. i guess your own people getting beheaded in your own streets isnt enough

Flubbbs

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Fvckin black Muslims. Only they would hack people to death like their primal friends in Africa.Asim90

A very insightful contribution you just delivered there, well done. 

[QUOTE="TruthTellers"][QUOTE="SPBoss"] Sorry but killing innocents is definitely not permitted in Islam, maybe you should get your head out of Fox News' ass and think for yourselfAsim90

Did you even read what I said above? Show some evidence that this was done in the name of Islam. 

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] Ahh, but these men killed in the name of god. Is that permitted in Islam? Oh wait, yes it is. Take the Mary Jane out of your underwear and stop smoking it killing off your pathetic brain cells.TruthTellers

Did you even read what I said above? Show some evidence that this was done in the name of Islam. 

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] He dislikes Islamic immigration because it brings Islam to the West and many (me included) believe that Islam is a totalitarian political ideology. Has nothing to do with nationality or race or whatever. TruthTellers

That is some very poor reasoning, extremely poor. First of all there is 1.6 billion muslims, not million. Secondly, what you said makes no logical sense. How on earth can you say somebody who condemns violence in the name of an ideology, is the same as somebody who propogates violence? How can you argue this with a straight face? Seriously, I am astonished that you think this is logical.

If somebody condemns violence for secular reasons, are they the same as somebody who propogates violence for the sake of social darwinism or scientific progress? Is somebody who condemns violence in the name of democracy the same as somebody who murders in the name of democracy? There are definitely theological arguments rooted in religions that should be analysed, but you just made a ridiculous blanket statement.

You essentially just said that all Muslims, whether peaceful or not is irrelevant, they are all as bad as terrorists. What is more scary is that you think you have used reason to arrive to that conclusion. 

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] Ahh, but these men killed in the name of god. Is that permitted in Islam? Oh wait, yes it is. Take the Mary Jane out of your underwear and stop smoking it killing off your pathetic brain cells.TruthTellers

Did you even read what I said above? Show some evidence that this was done in the name of Islam. 

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I even imply that let alone say it? You are not even worth having a discussion with. 

[QUOTE="TruthTellers"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] I could very well agree with that but how do you link terrorism into this ideology? This would suggests that the 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorist by nature.Asim90

That is some very poor reasoning, extremely poor. First of all there is 1.6 billion muslims, not million. Secondly, what you said makes no logical sense. How on earth can you say somebody who condemns violence in the name of an ideology, is the same as somebody who propogates violence? How can you argue this with a straight face? Seriously, I am astonished that you think this is logical.

If somebody condemns violence for secular reasons, are they the same as somebody who propogates violence for the sake of social darwinism or scientific progress? Is somebody who condemns violence in the name of democracy the same as somebody who murders in the name of democracy? There are definitely theological arguments rooted in religions that should be analysed, but you just made a ridiculous blanket statement.

You essentially just said that all Muslims, whether peaceful or not is irrelevant, they are all as bad as terrorists. What is more scary is that you think you have used reason to arrive to that conclusion. 

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh well Muslim Americans is quite different from ME Muslims in what they think and do....Muslims in general though will be skewed differently.Person0

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] I think it's easy to call any religious attack perpetrated by Muslims, in the name of Islam, a terrorist attack. But really, in this case, it's a hate crime perpetrated by Muslims, in the name of Islam. I don't think that 1.6 million Muslims are terrorists, but those who don't condemn this action in the name of Allah, are no better than these two third world savages... and I would call them terrorist sympathizers.TruthTellers

That is some very poor reasoning, extremely poor. First of all there is 1.6 billion muslims, not million. Secondly, what you said makes no logical sense. How on earth can you say somebody who condemns violence in the name of an ideology, is the same as somebody who propogates violence? How can you argue this with a straight face? Seriously, I am astonished that you think this is logical.

If somebody condemns violence for secular reasons, are they the same as somebody who propogates violence for the sake of social darwinism or scientific progress? Is somebody who condemns violence in the name of democracy the same as somebody who murders in the name of democracy? There are definitely theological arguments rooted in religions that should be analysed, but you just made a ridiculous blanket statement.

You essentially just said that all Muslims, whether peaceful or not is irrelevant, they are all as bad as terrorists. What is more scary is that you think you have used reason to arrive to that conclusion. 

I believe I misread your statement, and I am glad I did. If you were arguing what I thought you were arguing, I'd have nothing left to say. Regardless, I'd agree with you that anybody who doesn't denounce this is a foul person, fortunately I think the vast majority of muslims would denounce it. 

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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"] "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)." Seems to fit the criteria to me.OhJayDubya

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I don't think they are creating much fear.  Move along.  

thebest31406

[QUOTE="TruthTellers"][QUOTE="Asim90"]

That is some very poor reasoning, extremely poor. First of all there is 1.6 billion muslims, not million. Secondly, what you said makes no logical sense. How on earth can you say somebody who condemns violence in the name of an ideology, is the same as somebody who propogates violence? How can you argue this with a straight face? Seriously, I am astonished that you think this is logical.

If somebody condemns violence for secular reasons, are they the same as somebody who propogates violence for the sake of social darwinism or scientific progress? Is somebody who condemns violence in the name of democracy the same as somebody who murders in the name of democracy? There are definitely theological arguments rooted in religions that should be analysed, but you just made a ridiculous blanket statement.

You essentially just said that all Muslims, whether peaceful or not is irrelevant, they are all as bad as terrorists. What is more scary is that you think you have used reason to arrive to that conclusion. 

Asim90

I believe I misread your statement, and I am glad I did. If you were arguing what I thought you were arguing, I'd have nothing left to say. Regardless, I'd agree with you that anybody who doesn't denounce this is a foul person, fortunately I think the vast majority of muslims would denounce it. 

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] I think it's easy to call any religious attack perpetrated by Muslims, in the name of Islam, a terrorist attack. But really, in this case, it's a hate crime perpetrated by Muslims, in the name of Islam. I don't think that 1.6 million Muslims are terrorists, but those who don't condemn this action in the name of Allah, are no better than these two third world savages... and I would call them terrorist sympathizers.TruthTellers

That is some very poor reasoning, extremely poor. First of all there is 1.6 billion muslims, not million. Secondly, what you said makes no logical sense. How on earth can you say somebody who condemns violence in the name of an ideology, is the same as somebody who propogates violence? How can you argue this with a straight face? Seriously, I am astonished that you think this is logical.

If somebody condemns violence for secular reasons, are they the same as somebody who propogates violence for the sake of social darwinism or scientific progress? Is somebody who condemns violence in the name of democracy the same as somebody who murders in the name of democracy? There are definitely theological arguments rooted in religions that should be analysed, but you just made a ridiculous blanket statement.

You essentially just said that all Muslims, whether peaceful or not is irrelevant, they are all as bad as terrorists. What is more scary is that you think you have used reason to arrive to that conclusion. 

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Probably so, but as Person illustrated, the majority of the worlds Muslims don't justify killing of civilians.thebest31406

It's entirely possible that they are simply a couple of psychos using this "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing" as an agenda.

Same reason the Boston Bombers used... and pretty much all the psycho/suicidal people in the world these days.

In fact, that's what I call it now, the "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing". It's a cross between a disease and a religion wrapped up into a misguided agenda.

It's what is giving people with geo-poltical-religious social issues the gumption to go murder other people.

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] I never said all Muslims were terrorists, but those who agreed with this type of action and those that don't denounce it as terrorist SYMPATHIZERS. Are you so PC that you can't even tell the difference between a terrorist and a sympathizer? Wow, just... wow.TruthTellers

I believe I misread your statement, and I am glad I did. If you were arguing what I thought you were arguing, I'd have nothing left to say. Regardless, I'd agree with you that anybody who doesn't denounce this is a foul person, fortunately I think the vast majority of muslims would denounce it. 

Well that's simply not true. The Muslim Council of Britain immediately condemned it, but you just don't see that reported on the news. Just because you are unaware of such things, does not mean they are not happening. 

It's entirely possible that they are simply a couple of psychos using this "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing" as an agenda.

 

Same reason the Boston Bombers used... and pretty much all the psycho/suicidal people in the world these days.

 

In fact, that's what I call it now, the "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing". It's a cross between a disease and a religion wrapped up into a misguided agenda.

 

It's what is giving people with geo-poltical-religious social issues the gumption to go murder other people.

Netherscourge

I think there is a lot of truth to what you just said.

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It's entirely possible that they are simply a couple of psychos using this "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing" as an agenda.

 

Same reason the Boston Bombers used... and pretty much all the psycho/suicidal people in the world these days.

 

In fact, that's what I call it now, the "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing". It's a cross between a disease and a religion wrapped up into a misguided agenda.

 

It's what is giving people with geo-poltical-religious social issues the gumption to go murder other people.

Asim90

I think there is a lot of truth to what you just said.

I think that's really what it is.

It IS an act of terrorism, however it is NOT organized. It's just random cells, or even individuals, who go schizo-paranoid and decide they must act out some public act of violence in the name of Islam.

It's almost "viral" in that aspect. It's a popular way for people who are already on the edge, for whatever reason (most likely socially alientated) to feel important about themselves.

They think making a public "Statement" by murdering innocent people (marathon runners, etc...), or even targeting certain types of people (soldiers, cops, Jews, politicians, etc...), brings positive attention from other socially outcast schizos to their cause. 

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It's entirely possible that they are simply a couple of psychos using this "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing" as an agenda.

 

Same reason the Boston Bombers used... and pretty much all the psycho/suicidal people in the world these days.

 

In fact, that's what I call it now, the "Stupid Radical Islam Movement Thing". It's a cross between a disease and a religion wrapped up into a misguided agenda.

 

It's what is giving people with geo-poltical-religious social issues the gumption to go murder other people.

Netherscourge

I think there is a lot of truth to what you just said.

I think that's really what it is.

It IS an act of terrorism, however it is NOT organized. It's just random cells, or even individuals, who go schizo-paranoid and decide they must act out some public act of violence in the name of Islam.

It's almost "viral" in that aspect. It's a popular way for people who are already on the edge, for whatever reason (most likely socially alientated) to feel important about themselves.

They think making a public "Statement" by murdering innocent people (marathon runners, etc...), or even targeting certain types of people (soldiers, cops, Jews, politicians, etc...), brings positive attention from other socially outcast schizos to their cause. 

Absolutely, especially when you take into account the geopolitical situations that are happening in the areas of the highest concentration of attacks. What you said resonates with what a lot of scholars and figures are saying at insitutes like Oxford and Cambridge. It is so refreshing to see somebody who actually has a brain, I applaud you.

It's worth noting that a lot of people predicted this would happen before the invasion of Iraq, sadly those concerns were not considered. Anybody who thinks that that illegal war did anybody any good should definitely think again. We were told that the war would make our countries safer, well it sure as hell didn't. This psuedo-radical movement that you quite accurately described has taken on a life of its own.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Person0"]Well that was a question asking if Suicide bombing in defense of islam against civilians was justified. the polls you put up about other religions isn't the same.Person0

They've set up a Catch-22:

Speaking out against Islam following a terrorist attack orchestrated by Muslim extremists who believe they are saving Islam brings about more terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists in the name of Islam.

You can't win. They're F'd in the head.

I am cachinnating at all the Christians insulting Moslems in this thread! You are just as, if not more, foolish as them! liberalus

[QUOTE="liberalus"]I am cachinnating at all the Christians insulting Moslems in this thread! You are just as, if not more, foolish as them! Person0

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="liberalus"]I am cachinnating at all the Christians insulting Moslems in this thread! You are just as, if not more, foolish as them! liberalus

Boring. I thought this was something more serious. I agree with previous misleading title comments.