Texas school to debate the teaching of evolution in schools...

[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

You do realise the evolution is a religion, it is a set of beliefs of the world. It does the same thing as religion in a sense, accept have any moral convictions, but it is idea on how we got here. So basically religion is being promoted in public schools:shock:. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is still religion. Plus it is not true science, you can't observe it, its a belief really. Creationist dont doubt science, we doubt that evolution is science.

Funky_Llama

Also are conservatism, gravity and general relativity religions?

You do realise the evolution is a religion, it is a set of beliefs of the world. It does the same thing as religion in a sense, accept have any moral convictions, but it is idea on how we got here. So basically religion is being promoted in public schools:shock:. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is still religion. Plus it is not true science, you can't observe it, its a belief really. Creationist dont doubt science, we doubt that evolution is science.

SegaGenesisfan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY5ArW3Ncfo&feature=dir

Are you sure these guys are right? Tell me scientist are those honest people who never lie....

SegaGenesisfan

You do realise the evolution is a religion, it is a set of beliefs of the world. It does the same thing as religion in a sense, accept have any moral convictions, but it is idea on how we got here. So basically religion is being promoted in public schools:shock:. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is still religion. Plus it is not true science, you can't observe it, its a belief really. Creationist dont doubt science, we doubt that evolution is science.

SegaGenesisfan

:lol: Why am I not surprised SGF posted this?

Evolution is not a religion since it is not based on faith. And yes, you can observe evolution.

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="Famiking"] If they take a science course, they are essentially choosing to learn evolution. If they choose Christianity studies instead, they choose to learn creationism. They shouldn't be forced to learn either.

Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Evolution AFAIK in the UK education isn't completely taught (to the point it contradicts creationism) until Year 10/11 and at that point they have a choice whether they want to continue to study science or not.T_P_O

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Evolution AFAIK in the UK education isn't completely taught (to the point it contradicts creationism) until Year 10/11 and at that point they have a choice whether they want to continue to study science or not.Famiking

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/25/texas.evolution.teaching/index.html

The Texas Board of Education this week will vote on science standards that critics say seek to cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The board -- considering amendments passed in January -- will hear from the public on Wednesday. It will then take votes -- an initial one Thursday and the final vote Friday.

School board chairman Don McLeroy has wanted to tackle questions that highlight supposed weaknesses in the theory.

For example, skeptics of evolution point to what they contend are fossil record gaps casting doubt on the scientific evidence of common ancestry.

"I'm a skeptic. I'm an evolution skeptic. I don't think it's true," he said. "You need to present other ideas to the kids."

The issue reflects the strong feelings among representatives on the 15-member board, some of whom accept evolutionary theory and some of whom don't. The size of the textbook market in Texas gives it influence nationwide, as publishers adapt their material to its standards.

Thoughts?

mosdef_basic

Hahaha i would love to know what other "theories" they would like to teach. It's a science ****not a religion one. If you want to teach creationism, either create a religious ****in your school. Though in a sense i guess i agree. I think you need to present the kids with several "ideas" and allow for them to choose. Just don't try to pass off creationism as a theory.

Nope. Science is compulsory in the UK in years 10/11 too.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Evolution AFAIK in the UK education isn't completely taught (to the point it contradicts creationism) until Year 10/11 and at that point they have a choice whether they want to continue to study science or not.Famiking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY5ArW3Ncfo&feature=dir

Are you sure these guys are right? Tell me scientist are those honest people who never lie....

SegaGenesisfan

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nope. Science is compulsory in the UK in years 10/11 too.Famiking

I can recall the exam board and everything for my science classes, it was OCR 21st century science, and it got put on my timetable without giving me an option. You're not in Scotland or anywhere are you?

If they take a science course, they are essentially choosing to learn evolution. If they choose Christianity studies instead, they choose to learn creationism. They shouldn't be forced to learn either.Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nope. Science is compulsory in the UK in years 10/11 too.Funky_Llama

I can recall the exam board and everything for my science classes, it was OCR 21st century science, and it got put on my timetable without giving me an option. You're not in Scotland or anywhere are you?

T_P_O

You do realise the evolution is a religion, it is a set of beliefs of the world. It does the same thing as religion in a sense, accept have any moral convictions, but it is idea on how we got here. So basically religion is being promoted in public schools:shock:. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is still religion. Plus it is not true science, you can't observe it, its a belief really. Creationist dont doubt science, we doubt that evolution is science.

SegaGenesisfan

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nope. Science is compulsory in the UK in years 10/11 too.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

I can recall the exam board and everything for my science classes, it was OCR 21st century science, and it got put on my timetable without giving me an option. You're not in Scotland or anywhere are you?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY5ArW3Ncfo&feature=dir

Are you sure these guys are right? Tell me scientist are those honest people who never lie....

MattUD1

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If they take a science course, they are essentially choosing to learn evolution. If they choose Christianity studies instead, they choose to learn creationism. They shouldn't be forced to learn either.foxhound_fox

Where did I say we should have a complete ban on science?

And those things shouldn't be compulsory either - and I don't see why a secular nation should be the target, that's sounds very discriminatory to me, if I want to be religious, I should allowed to be religious so long it doesn't negatively affect someone. But your forced secularism, I'd find offensive (if I were religious).

And a choice to do science or not does not limit scientific knowledge of the populace, in fact I'd say forcing them to learn science is counter-productive - if people want a career in science then I won't stop them, science courses should obviously be available but not enforced.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If they take a science course, they are essentially choosing to learn evolution. If they choose Christianity studies instead, they choose to learn creationism. They shouldn't be forced to learn either.Famiking

Where did I say we should have a complete ban on science?

And those things shouldn't be compulsory either - and I don't see why a secular nation should be the target, that's sounds very discriminatory to me, if I want to be religious, I should allowed to be religious so long it doesn't negatively affect someone. But your forced secularism, I'd find offensive (if I were religious).

And a choice to do science or not does not limit scientific knowledge of the populace, in fact I'd say forcing them to learn science is counter-productive - if people want a career in science then I won't stop them, science courses should obviously be available but not enforced.

Meh. I don't see why evolution should not be compulsory purely because of some people's religious beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with evolution is wrong; I fail to see why we should humour these people.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If they take a science course, they are essentially choosing to learn evolution. If they choose Christianity studies instead, they choose to learn creationism. They shouldn't be forced to learn either.Famiking

Where did I say we should have a complete ban on science?

And those things shouldn't be compulsory either - and I don't see why a secular nation should be the target, that's sounds very discriminatory to me, if I want to be religious, I should allowed to be religious so long it doesn't negatively affect someone. But your forced secularism, I'd find offensive (if I were religious).

And a choice to do science or not does not limit scientific knowledge of the populace, in fact I'd say forcing them to learn science is counter-productive - if people want a career in science then I won't stop them, science courses should obviously be available but not enforced.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Meh. I don't see why evolution should not be compulsory purely because of some people's religious beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with evolution is wrong; I fail to see why we should humour these people.Famiking

:roll: You're welcome to be a creationist. But if you are, your belief is unscientific and wrong, and there's no reason any exception should be made for you. If a student beliefs that 2*2=5, should they have the option of whether to do maths?Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Meh. I don't see why evolution should not be compulsory purely because of some people's religious beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with evolution is wrong; I fail to see why we should humour these people.Famiking

In science, they should teach science. While you don't have to necessarily state that evolution is real, it's important to know what the theory is, so the child can make the assumption on their own.DeathHeart95

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

[QUOTE="legend26"]

to those people in texas

evolution = FACT

deal with it

Funky_Llama

lol just adds to the fact that this country will continue to decrease in the educational front around the world. Hopefully obama will change that.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]:roll: You're welcome to be a creationist. But if you are, your belief is unscientific and wrong, and there's no reason any exception should be made for you. If a student beliefs that 2*2=5, should they have the option of whether to do maths?Famiking

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Tehcnically its still a theory

EVOLV3

Evolution does not contradict creationism, there is such a thing called "Evolution creationism" - saying creationism is unscientific may be correct, but whether it's wrong or not is disputable.Famiking

oh my, time to go back to the dark ages

HoldThePhone

]I don't care how widespread creationism is. It's still wrong. Oh, and by the way, going to school isn't itself a matter of life or death. So I suppose there's no point bothering with education.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="legend26"]

to those people in texas

evolution = FACT

deal with it

EVOLV3

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"] oh my, time to go back to the dark ages

Famiking

]I don't care how widespread creationism is. It's still wrong. Oh, and by the way, going to school isn't itself a matter of life or death. So I suppose there's no point bothering with education.

Funky_Llama

I thought it was rather obvious that I was referring to the type of creationism that does contradict evolution. :roll:

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I believe the probability basis and uncertainty which is attached to Quantum theory and Quantum Mechanics should be taught in schools to replace the mere aproximation of Newtonian Physics, which as we all know, does not provide the answers we seek, but is mere approximations on those we already have.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I thought it was rather obvious that I was referring to the type of creationism that does contradict evolution. :roll:

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

Famiking

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I believe the probability basis and uncertainty which is attached to Quantum theory and Quantum Mechanics should be taught in schools to replace the mere aproximation of Newtonian Physics, which as we all know, does not provide the answers we seek, but is mere approximations on those we already have.

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I thought it was rather obvious that I was referring to the type of creationism that does contradict evolution. :roll:

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

p2rus