Texas school to debate the teaching of evolution in schools...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Then you should leave atheism out of the classroom as well, which is what they are doing right now. It's not right to push atheism more than religion. If your going to make it sound like God doesn't exist you should at least have the curtousy to mention that the theory doesn't disprove anyone's religious beliefs. ferrari2001

And actually I remember when I took an anthropology class in college one of the students asked if this class goes asgainst Gods teachings and the teacher said that it didn't but if anyone had any doubts to quite the class (In a nice and respectful way) which made me question why religiouys fanatics who didn't believe in religion would take an anthropology class anyways.

The problem is though, that students listening get the impression that God doesn't exist and so they are going to be more apt to give up religionferrari2001

What's to debate?clembo1990

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]What's to debate?duxup

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]What's to debate?scorch-62

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[QUOTE="Famiking"] If you don't enforce science, you won't miss anyone - people who are not interested will remain uninterested in science, even if their mind is capable of producing great benefits to society. Forced education also does NOT encourage children to appreciate feilds of study. In fact, I'd say it's counter-productive. Many people grow up to hating the science classroom and are convinced higher-level maths is gibberish. How many people in the UK and the US actually end up learning a second language as grown ups, let alone appreciate language-study? Forced education leads to disinterest, not appreciation. And people who are naturally interested in the field will not feel a difference, enforced or unenforced.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Not requiring things like physics, geology, astronomy, biology, and other sciences would greatly reduce our society's standing in the world. GREATLY.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] GCSEs are actually pretty good examinations -- have you actually took any GCSEs?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] If I may ask, why don't you like them?Vandalvideo

I think this is where *facepalm* would be appropriateJML897

Teach the science, evolution, in Science class. If the parents want their kids to learn about Intelligent Design, they can teach it themselves or have their church teach it or something. It is not appropriate to teach in a science class.Cube_of_MooN

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] But those people who might have an innitial apprehension to the subject may, through trial and error, really come to love the field. Babies don't pop out of the womb saying, "I want to be a dang scientists". They need to be indoctrinated forcefully and try to iron out any predisposition. I actually became infatuated with American History because it was an obligation. I didn't ever see it as a priveledge until College.Famiking

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] To be fair, Einstein is of the most exceptional of examples. I don't think enthusiasm for some is great enough per se to grant people the adequate qualities for a career in science -- people need a solid groundwork to study at a higher level. Science in't just something that in general you can just 'pick up', like say something like philosophy. Not to mention that science is fundamental in every-day life, which would be another advantage of making science an integral part of compulsory education.Famiking

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I thought it was rather obvious that I was referring to the type of creationism that does contradict evolution. :roll:

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

Famiking

Whether or not a science class would benefit a potential 'Einstein' is quite irrelevant IMO. The real danger in making science classes optional is that a large part of society would be left without basic knowledge about the world they live in. Even now a lot people don't understand the technology behind everyday items such as mobile phones. It's dangerous to rely to such a great extent on the knowledge of a few, educated specialists. Pretty much why public schools were started to begin with.inoperativeRS

Well... the number of Einsteins is pretty much what we were arguing :?

There are so many people who don't know the science behind mobile phones - I don't think this has affected them negatively, at least I hope it didn't and there is some sort of secret waiting to be revealed :? And even if people are being forced to learn Science, there is still widespread ignorance. Just how many people remember v2 = u2 + 2as where v is final velocity, u is initial velocity, a is acceleration and s is distance when they leave school? Just because you forced them to learn to it, doesn't mean they necessarily remember it. While in voluntary education, people will remember it, because they enjoy remembering it.

Forced education also leads to negative motivation - people who are naturally interested might feel like it's an obligation and thus not want to study it. And I don't agree with public schooling in the sense of compulsory education, compulsory subjects and compulsory attendance etc.

Edit: It's 2:30 AM x_x 'Night y'all. :P

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I thought it was rather obvious that I was referring to the type of creationism that does contradict evolution. :roll:

Anyway... whether it's a required skill is irrelevant. The point still stands. Excising from education anything that won't help you in everyday life would hardly be a good thing.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] Whether or not a science class would benefit a potential 'Einstein' is quite irrelevant IMO. The real danger in making science classes optional is that a large part of society would be left without basic knowledge about the world they live in. Even now a lot people don't understand the technology behind everyday items such as mobile phones. It's dangerous to rely to such a great extent on the knowledge of a few, educated specialists. Pretty much why public schools were started to begin with.Famiking

Well... the number of Einsteins is pretty much what we were arguing :?

There are so many people who don't know the science behind mobile phones - I don't think this has affected them negatively, at least I hope it didn't and there is some sort of secret waiting to be revealed :? And even if people are being forced to learn Science, there is still widespread ignorance. Just how many people remember v2 = u2 + 2as where v is final velocity, u is initial velocity, a is acceleration and s is distance when they leave school? Just because you forced them to learn to it, doesn't mean they necessarily remember it. While in voluntary education, people will remember it, because they enjoy remembering it.

Forced education also leads to negative motivation - people who are naturally interested might feel like it's an obligation and thus not want to study it. And I don't agree with public schooling in the sense of compulsory education, compulsory subjects and compulsory attendance etc.

Edit: It's 2:30 AM x_x 'Night y'all. :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Famiking"] And which type of creationism would that be? And it's not excising, it's giving an option, if we're suppose to learn something that would benefit us, even it's in the slightest, why don't we just teach everything there is to know in school?

Famiking

Whether or not a science class would benefit a potential 'Einstein' is quite irrelevant IMO. The real danger in making science classes optional is that a large part of society would be left without basic knowledge about the world they live in. Even now a lot people don't understand the technology behind everyday items such as mobile phones. It's dangerous to rely to such a great extent on the knowledge of a few, educated specialists. Pretty much why public schools were started to begin with.inoperativeRS

Well... the number of Einsteins is pretty much what we were arguing :?

There are so many people who don't know the science behind mobile phones - I don't think this has affected them negatively, at least I hope it didn't and there is some sort of secret waiting to be revealed :? And even if people are being forced to learn Science, there is still widespread ignorance. Just how many people remember v2 = u2 + 2as where v is final velocity, u is initial velocity, a is acceleration and s is distance when they leave school? Just because you forced them to learn to it, doesn't mean they necessarily remember it. While in voluntary education, people will remember it, because they enjoy remembering it.

Forced education also leads to negative motivation - people who are naturally interested might feel like it's an obligation and thus not want to study it. And I don't agree with public schooling in the sense of compulsory education, compulsory subjects and compulsory attendance etc.

Edit: It's 2:30 AM x_x 'Night y'all. :P

Did he imply that they were multiplied by 2? Anyway, there's no way of using superscript characters on GS.MetalGear_Ninty

Did he imply that they were multiplied by 2?MetalGear_Ninty

Anyway, there's no way of using superscript characters on GS.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="matthayter700"] Also, what's your avatar picture from?Vandalvideo

Here are a couple links from well respected magazines to support the theory of evolution as fact:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

Here's an interesting video by a Texan who... well... isn't amused by this. :Pzakkro

YES! AronRa strikes again!

Evolution is science, creationism is a belief, simple as that, you don't teach beliefs in science.bean-with-bacon

Here are a couple links from well respected magazines to support the theory of evolution as fact:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

Here are a couple links from well respected magazines to support the theory of evolution as fact:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

MattUD1

and a lesson in taxonomy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc&feature=PlayList&p=126AFB53A6F002CC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

Here are a couple links from well respected magazines to support the theory of evolution as fact:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

MattUD1

what other scientific ideas would they like to teach?