Texas to stop teaching "higher order thinking skills".

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Early this month, Texas Republican delegates met in Fort Worth to approve their 2012 platform, notable parts of which take aim at the state's education system.

In the section titled "Educating Our Children," the document states that "corporal punishment is effective" and recommends teachers be given "more authority" to deal with disciplinary problems.

Additionally, the document states the party opposes mandatory pre-school and kindergarten, saying parents are "best suited to train their children in their early development."

The position causing the most controversy, however, is the statement that they oppose the teaching of "higher order thinking skills" -- a curriculum which strives to encourage critical thinking -- arguing that it might challenge "student's fixed beliefs" and undermine "parental authority."

The party also notes its encouragement of legislation that prevents "non-citizens unlawfully present in the United States" from enrolling in public schools, a stance that federal officials have previously deemed against the law.

In March, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan told Bloomberg he felt "very, very badly" for Texas students.

"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

The following weekend, former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs gave his own criticism of the state's education system.

"I think when it comes to someone like Rick Perry, [voters are] going to wonder why a place like Texas has one of the worst education systems," Gibbs said on "Meet the Press."

Source.

I agree with the corporal punishment bit.

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Texas taught higher order thinking skills?

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The position causing the most controversy, however, is the statement that they oppose the teaching of "higher order thinking skills" -- a curriculum which strives to encourage critical thinking -- arguing that it might challenge "student's fixed beliefs" and undermine "parental authority."

loco145

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

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"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

loco145

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

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#5 Krelian-co
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Texas taught higher order thinking skills?

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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Texas taught higher order thinking skills?

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[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Pirate700

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

Oh yeah. California is such a joke now. =[
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[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Pirate700

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

Our precious actors and actresses have to come from somewhere.
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It would be quite easy to relate this to political stereotypes
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[QUOTE="loco145"]

The position causing the most controversy, however, is the statement that they oppose the teaching of "higher order thinking skills" -- a curriculum which strives to encourage critical thinking -- arguing that it might challenge "student's fixed beliefs" and undermine "parental authority."

ghoklebutter

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]

The position causing the most controversy, however, is the statement that they oppose the teaching of "higher order thinking skills" -- a curriculum which strives to encourage critical thinking -- arguing that it might challenge "student's fixed beliefs" and undermine "parental authority."

whipassmt

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

I agree, but this sounds like a fear of kids not being total sheep.
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#13 whipassmt
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What the heck are higher order thinking skills? Seems kinda vague to me.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

ghoklebutter

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

Oh yeah. California is such a joke now. =[

You live?

I do and it does kind of suck. But hey, Disneyland and Universal Studios. :D

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

ghoklebutter

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

Oh yeah. California is such a joke now. =[

The thing about California is (in terms of public schools) a few of the districts are among the best in the country, and most of the rest are just awful.
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What the heck are higher order thinking skills? Seems kinda vague to me.

whipassmt

Are you being serious or is this a clever joke?

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#17 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

ghoklebutter

Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

I agree, but this sounds like a fear of kids not being total sheep.

Or maybe a concern that the state and the school board do not usurp parental authority and claim more authority for the state than they are entitled to.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

Slashless

Oh yeah. California is such a joke now. =[

You live?

I do and it does kind of suck. But hey, Disneyland and Universal Studios. :D

I'm in San Jose. It's not a bad city, but it's boring.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

What the heck are higher order thinking skills? Seems kinda vague to me.

THE_DRUGGIE

Are you being serious or is this a clever joke?

serious.

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[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Pirate700

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

That's right, CA was at 71.2 and Texas was at 73.1. Nevada is the lowest with 51.3, followed by all the Southern states.
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Corporal punishment doesn't work. It causes more problems than solutions even if it doesn't appear so.

With that said, Texas is just screwing up their system. I shake my head.

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I'm in San Jose. It's not a bad city, but it's boring.

ghoklebutter

Never been, though I may sometime in the future.

I live in San Diego.. the weather here kind of sucks.. it'll rain one minute and be 80+ degrees the next.

Sea World is fun though, as is the Del Mar Fair.

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[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Pirate700

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

dem'z fite-in' werdz!
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]

The position causing the most controversy, however, is the statement that they oppose the teaching of "higher order thinking skills" -- a curriculum which strives to encourage critical thinking -- arguing that it might challenge "student's fixed beliefs" and undermine "parental authority."

whipassmt

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them.
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A shame
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Nevada is the lowest with 51.3tagyhag
Our precious prostitutes and strippers have to come from somewhere.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]I'm in San Jose. It's not a bad city, but it's boring.

Slashless

Never been, though I may sometime in the future.

I live in San Diego.. the weather here kind of sucks.. it'll rain one minute and be 80+ degrees the next.

Sea World is fun though, as is the Del Mar Fair.

I used to have relatives in San Diego. Buncha psychos. >.>
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Allicrombie

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

dem'z fite-in' werdz!

*puts up dukes*

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

lol authoritarianism

always so charming

Sword-Demon

Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them.

But the school shouldn't be encouraging the kids to rebel against the parents or usurping the parents' authority and setting themselves up in the parents' stead. Parents are the primary educator of their children, the schools act on authority delegated to them by the parents.

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I used to have relatives in San Diego. Buncha psychos. >.>Allicrombie

The psychos here usually live in the Downtown area, somewhere I am proud to be far away from.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

tagyhag

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

That's right, CA was at 71.2 and Texas was at 73.1. Nevada is the lowest with 51.3, followed by all the Southern states.

Only 50% of Nevadans graduate from high school?
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

whipassmt

yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them.

But the school shouldn't be encouraging the kids to rebel against the parents or usurping the parents' authority and setting themselves up in the parents' stead. Parents are the primary educator of their children, the schools act on authority delegated to them by the parents.

Schools definitely should teach kids critical thinking/reasoning. It's the most important part of an education. I'm not sure how this is an issue for debate.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]I'm in San Jose. It's not a bad city, but it's boring.

Slashless

Never been, though I may sometime in the future.

I live in San Diego.. the weather here kind of sucks.. it'll rain one minute and be 80+ degrees the next.

Sea World is fun though, as is the Del Mar Fair.

Dude, the weather here in SD drives me NUTS. It's 60 one day, 90 the next. Then it's cloudy in the morning, then high pressure and sunnny in the afternoon.

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American public schools are intentionally bad so the proles don't question authority or their crappy station in life. They aren't even hiding it these days. Sad.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them. chessmaster1989

But the school shouldn't be encouraging the kids to rebel against the parents or usurping the parents' authority and setting themselves up in the parents' stead. Parents are the primary educator of their children, the schools act on authority delegated to them by the parents.

Schools definitely should teach kids critical thinking/reasoning. It's the most important part of an education. I'm not sure how this is an issue for debate.

I never said schools shouldn't teach those things.

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This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

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I am staying put here
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Not really. Parents have a legitimate authority over their children.

whipassmt

yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them.

But the school shouldn't be encouraging the kids to rebel against the parents or usurping the parents' authority and setting themselves up in the parents' stead. Parents are the primary educator of their children, the schools act on authority delegated to them by the parents.

that's not what they were doing at all :| there was no encouragement to rebel against any authority, parents just believed that teaching children critical thinking skills would make them think for themselves, rather than taking what the parents say at face value.
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This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

ExtremeGamer93

Texas.

They make calculators!

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This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

ExtremeGamer93
Bay Area, CA
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]



"Texas may have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country," Duncan said, according to Bloomberg.

Allicrombie

I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

dem'z fite-in' werdz!

oh dear. have you gotten to that age where you start babbling nonsense?

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This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

ExtremeGamer93
There's actually a lot of tech companies here in Austin.
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[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I doubt it's higher than here in CA where the dropout rate is like 20-25%.

mrmusicman247

oh dear. have you gotten to that age where you start babbling nonsense? dem'z fite-in' werdz!

Way to change the quote.

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"] oh dear. have you gotten to that age where you start babbling nonsense? dem'z fite-in' werdz!Pirate700

Way to change the quote.

MM fails in all that he does
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]dave123321

Way to change the quote.

MM fails in all that he does

He tries though. I give him points.

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"] oh dear. have you gotten to that age where you start babbling nonsense? dem'z fite-in' werdz!Pirate700

Way to change the quote.

lol nice.
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:< my computer froze
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Way to change the quote.

Pirate700

MM fails in all that he does

He tries though. I give him points.

A for effort for sure
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[QUOTE="ExtremeGamer93"]

This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

Blood-Scribe

There's actually a lot of tech companies here in Austin.

I did not know that. I like Austin compared to where I'm at now.