Texas to stop teaching "higher order thinking skills".

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#201 ShadowMoses900
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Texas is very big and diverse, this is just a small thing at best and doesn't represent the entire state. Of couse people on here have little real life experience and have probably never even left their state, let alone their house on a regular basis. So I expect lot's of generalisations.

Go to Dallas or Austin, you will see a ton of people from all walks of life including many liberal democrats. Just some of the small towns in Texas are supportive of things like this as they haven't changed much. They are a bit isolated, but to generalise everyone in Texas is naive and ignorant.

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Sure it doesn't represent the state, but it represents the platform of the dominant party in both houses of our state legislature, as well as the idiots heading the education agency. That's the real problem here.

The GOP has become very partisan now, if you are not a hardcore super conservative fanboy then you are deemed a socialist and black listed from the party pretty much. It's evident when non radical Republicans like Hunstmen (was my personal main candidate of choice) were ignored and glossed over, despite having the best chance at appealing to voters on both sides and having the most sound and realisitc policies.

I just don't like it when people generalise an entire population of people. I've been to Texas before, it's so diverse it's really hard to pin down. Sure some places may be very conservative and may be in favor of actions like the one being discussed, but there are plenty of other places there that are not like that. Another example is Florida for example, people on here assume it's a red state, but it's not, it's actually a swing state. It's voting demographic is too diverse to pin down.

There is nothing wrong with having some conservative views mind you, nor is there anything wrong with having some liberal ones. It's only bad when you take it too far.

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#202 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Texas is very big and diverse, this is just a small thing at best and doesn't represent the entire state. Of couse people on here have little real life experience and have probably never even left their state, let alone their house on a regular basis. So I expect lot's of generalisations.

Go to Dallas or Austin, you will see a ton of people from all walks of life including many liberal democrats. Just some of the small towns in Texas are supportive of things like this as they haven't changed much. They are a bit isolated, but to generalise everyone in Texas is naive and ignorant.

ShadowMoses900

Sure it doesn't represent the state, but it represents the platform of the dominant party in both houses of our state legislature, as well as the idiots heading the education agency. That's the real problem here.

The GOP has become very partisan now, if you are not a hardcore super conservative fanboy then you are deemed a socialist and black listed from the party pretty much. It's evident when non radical Republicans like Hunstmen (was my personal main candidate of choice) were ignored and glossed over, despite having the best chance at appealing to voters on both sides and having the most sound and realisitc policies.

I just don't like it when people generalise an entire population of people. I've been to Texas before, it's so diverse it's really hard to pin down. Sure some places may be very conservative and may be in favor of actions like the one being discussed, but there are plenty of other places there that are not like that. Another example is Florida for example, people on here assume it's a red state, but it's not, it's actually a swing state. It's voting demographic is too diverse to pin down.

There is nothing wrong with having some conservative views mind you, nor is there anything wrong with having some liberal ones. It's only bad when you take it too far.

I understand and completely agree with you on the subject of generalizing the state as a whole. I've lived in Austin pretty much my whole life, and it really is very different compared to what most people would assume Texas is like.

But that wasn't what I was trying to get at. My point was that since the Texas GOP is in control of both houses of the legislature, the governor's office, and essentially has the TEA in its pocket, the educational reforms outlined in the 2012 Texas Republican party platform could very well be implemented. This is further compounded by the fact that, as you said, the GOP is very partisan (especially here), and as such they usually stick to party lines and will likely try to follow the platform to the letter.

So yes, some people on here are being overly dense and seem to think that the educational revisions proposed somehow represent the state as a whole and are making really dumb comments about Texas as a result. But make no mistake, this wasn't put forth by a small fringe group of lunatics. These people are in control of our legislative body. The looming threat of further lowering our state's educational standards is very real.

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well said, or done

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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]It's times like this I really can't tell if kingkong is for real or not. Although, calling science illogical despite the fact that it is largely based on induction and also employes deductive reasoning is probably one of the most entertaining things I've read all day.

I assume he's a troll
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#205 dave123321
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agree with scribe about the Texas stuff
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#206 LJS9502_basic  Online
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I had to live in Texas for a bit. Not my favorite place....
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#207 dave123321
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I had to live in Texas for a bit. Not my favorite place....LJS9502_basic
Where in Texas?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I had to live in Texas for a bit. Not my favorite place....dave123321
Where in Texas?

San Angelo....middle of nowhere.
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I had to live in Texas for a bit. Not my favorite place....LJS9502_basic
Where in Texas?

San Angelo....middle of nowhere.

That's no country for old men.

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#210 Ernesto_basic
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This is why I'm moving after college....It's things like this that the stereotype of Texans are dumb, ignorant people...Anybody know a decent place for a Computer Scientist?

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Yeah, Texas - it's where the job are ;)

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#211 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] yeah, but that authority shouldn't stem from keeping their child from learning enough to possibly question them. chessmaster1989

But the school shouldn't be encouraging the kids to rebel against the parents or usurping the parents' authority and setting themselves up in the parents' stead. Parents are the primary educator of their children, the schools act on authority delegated to them by the parents.

Schools definitely should teach kids critical thinking/reasoning. It's the most important part of an education. I'm not sure how this is an issue for debate.

The only thing is that the article doesn't go into detail on exactly how their going to do that or the specifics of what they're going to teach. That's probably where the controversy lies. In other words, there's probably a lot more to the story, as usual.

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#212 SpartanMSU
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Now did they actually say they dont want to teach "higher order thinking skills" or is not making every student read Paul Krugman considered not teaching higher order thinking skills?

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That's exactly my point. Obviously most of the people jumping to conclusions in this thread were never taught critical thinking skills.