Thanks to Trump, It's Safe to Say "Merry Christmas" Again

Hey guys, let's lighten up.

ThisARRRrghghhhGGGh

issSSSSAAhhhrrr

A-AAARRRGGGHHH

S-S-Safeyueughhhh

SPAAAAAAAAACCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE!

Merry Christmas.

Every that passes, the day of China's dominance becomes that much closer. Hell, we're rapidly approaching the day when we won't be the majority in the U.S., so get used to your victories while they last, because they're fleeting.

One thing I've noticed about alt-right is that they're usually geeks, beta males, have little professional success, and can't get laid so they lash out at feminists and the minorities responsible for their economic plight.

I'm not a leftist, I'm a libertarian. I hate both the left and the right...but particularly the alt-right because you guys are a bunch of entitled, beta, racist, xenophobic, misogynists. A bunch of pussies that act oppressed when you have no idea what real oppression feels like. "Waaaaaaah! White males only have most of the power instead of all of the power." Fucking crybabies....

@bforrester420: Beta males? Lol you mean like male Femenist or pretty much any liberal male? Seriously dude try being realistic...

And you used China as your example of success? They have no natural resources and they are essentially a communist nation.

What the hell are you talking about? What Nautral resources, outside of petroleum, do they lack? China's economy is going to surpass ours in the next 20 years.

Liberal men are more "man" than alt-right guys will ever be, and I'm sick and damned tired of liberals. At least liberal men stand up for other people instead of being selfish, entitled, and only thinking about themselves. You alt-right guys might get laid if you knew how to treat a lady.

Keep crying about SJWs, Feminists, and minorities. That's what you guys are good for, tears and unintentional comedy.

Special pleading means you are trying to make something an exception. When you outright try admit to being ok with the SJWs that you happen to agree with doing the exact same thing you condemn the SJWs you do disagree with. That is Special pleading right there. We are talking about 7000 marvel characters in total, 15 is a really small ammount. And also ignores the notion that Marvel reboots and overhauls their heroes constantly. The only time this time was controversial was because some ideologues to offense to skin colour and sex changes. It doesnt change the stories, or the action scenes. So by and large, a mostly irrelevant change.

My narrative is that both sides are bad. Showing that the never trump movement is bad does nothing too my narrative. Video evidence is anecdotal. THe statistics article I linked contained some anecdotes but also more general data. The fact is, Hate crimes have been on the rise and the data shows as much.

Only after the orlando shootings. Prior to that, Muslims did NOT make up the majority of terrorist related fatalaties, while not making up the majority of fatal terror attacks. What does this tell you though? It clearly tells you that they are clearly just very good at it, due to being more organized. Either way, I dont think either me or KOD are defending Islam. All Abrahamic religions are pieces of shit. While it is ok to follow one, the religions and ideologies themselves are outright insane. These muslims, are right wing by the way. The Islamic right to be specific. Left and right refers to a group of ideas not political factions. And the ideas the Islamists want are actually alarmingly close to what the fundamentalist christians want. The majority of terror attacks are classified as right wing by the way, see the article I linked from the academia. Trying to lump everything into a group with 0 nuance just demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills on your part. Especially, since your initial argument was about BLM terrorism, which I have quite easily proven is actually a rather small annoyance compared to larger threats, than many other terrorist groups. Of those latinos, the majority of those would probably fall under Puerto Rico nationalism. In the EU the majority of terror attacks are left wing, but with the US and EU combined, the Right Wing Terrorism still comes on top.

You are a shining example of why this left vs right kind of thinking is so damaging to one's critical thinking skills.

I actually fall under centrism. But I tend to base my ideas on what is proven by facts and data.

Yeah makes sense.

That is usually the case with these extremist groups. There is a startling ammount of ignorance and anti-intellectualism amongst both the far left and the far right.

@bforrester420: What the hell am i talking about? If you dont know why are you trying to debate me? Despite having 19.2% of the worlds population they only hold about 7% of the worlds water supply. Yes they also lack petroleum and beef. I would say those are fairly important resources wouldn't you?

And are you honestly even talking about Beta males? The far left has created the poster child for beta males. Nothing like watching a white guilt liberal such as yourself pander to his 300lbs girlfriend who beats his ass everyday. Or the pathetic white guilt libs at the BLM rallys. As far as me getting laid ill have to ask my wife if shes happy because she seems to have no problem taking care of me in that department. And whats most hillarious im not even a member of the ALT right. Eventhough i agree with some of there points they are essentially socialist which would disqualify me as i am in full support of capitalism.

The obsession the alt-right has with inane nonsense like "alpha male", "beta male", "cuck" and "cuckservative" only goes to show how insecure they are with their masculinity.

Yup, even worse (for them) Alpha and Beta male is irrelevant to the civilized world.

Maybe they will grow out of it one day. But with the way they will stick their echo chambers all day. I am not entirely sure they will ever outgrow this high school mentality. Echo chambers afterall, breed stagnation.

@Quicksilver128: Beef is not an important natural resource. Water supply can easily be rectified with desalination and their ever increasing investment in wastewater treatment.

@Maroxad: @Jag85: Whos they? Because it was the leftist who brought up the term first in this thread which is laughably ironic.

Yeah I too find the alt-rights obsession with terms like "alpha male", "beta male", and "cuck" to be pretty bizarre. I guess that it's just par for the course though because in general they always seem to be selfish mean-spirited people who like to belittle others.

Libertarian != Leftist.

And he was using that as an example of the alt-right's hypocrisy. But I guess everyone who disagrees with your childish agenda is a leftist. Nobody is surprised. You have shown yourself to be an incredibly unnuanced person again and again here.

Sadly the world is a lot more complex than what your simple worldview makes it seem.

Why do you keep saying leftists? How do you even know what my political ideology is? This partisan us vs them mentality is pathetic.

Where is the irony in (somewhat sarcastically) calling a group of man babies who demand a safespace "precious little snowflakes"? Can you provide any example of me demanding a safespace or doing anything that a reasonable person would see as fitting the criteria of "precious little snowflake"?

This is the problem when you base your arguments on memes rather than fact. They very quickly collapse and you expose yourself as a hypocritical fool with no idea what you're talking about.

What is funny is that safe space demanding is hardly exclusive to the (authoritarian) left. The (authoritarian) right wants a slice of the pie too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/politics/political-divide-on-campuses-hardens-after-trumps-victory.html?_r=0

Anyone who looks at everying in a black and white left vs right is seriously deluded. And is just a laughing stock for everyone to behold. There are multiple factions and ideologies under the left, just as there are multiple factions and ideologies that fall under the right. Liberals, for instance are not pro-safe space. And are generally against the PC police too.

This is ultimately teh rpoblem with Quicksilver though, he is not arguing our actual positions. He strawmans our positions based on how memes portray the left, and asserts those are things we believe in. It doesnt make him look smart. It makes him look stupid. The sooner he develops any nuance is the moment he will stop making an ass out of himself in this thread.

Pretty much. If someone on the left says something dumb, I call them out. If someone on the right says something dumb, I call them out. People like @Quicksilver128 only call it out when a certain group does it, and turn a blind eye when people they like do it, and often do it themselves.

Does anyone here actually get offended if someone says to you, "Merry Christmas" as opposed to something else?

@Maroxad: I've seen your post history and you are as far left as they come. The term safe place and Beta male is more often then not associated with the left and for good reason. There is always exceptions to the rule but to act as if you are some unbiased being directly in the center is utterly embarrassing.

@toast_burner: I wasn't even referring to you so WTF are you talking about?

You just had a full meltdown for no reason.

@musicalmac:

Here in AZ, the teachers and aides say Happy Holidays while many parents say Merry Christmas because Christmas Day hasn't passed yet. They smile and wave at each other. They chat with each other.

We also have many Hispanics here. There's plenty of Feliz Navidad going around.

If anyone is offended, they're probably sulking in their hole somewhere.

@jun_aka_pekto: Let them sulk.

And the guys at your local festival with the AR-15's make it safe(er) to practice it.

I've never ran into anyone myself who was offended with me saying Merry Christmas to them nor have I ever given it a second thought if someone said Happy Holidays to me. I never really considered why they either said Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, I just accepted their wishing me well and I reciprocated.

It's compensation.

There is a reason Bannon and Trump have tiny hands

Quite honestly, I don't know why people would get offended.

It's like going to Japan and watching one of their religious festivals. I don't know anything about it. I just remain respectful and enjoy the good food. But, if I decided to act offended and disrespectful, they'd probably kick the shit out of me.

Same here.

There's this lady who sends my parents a Hanukkah card every year despite them telling her every year they aren't Jewish lol. It's nice to be thought of in any case.

@Nuck81: Yeah, it could be that too. lol

A verse that is taken out of context.

Paul states 4 verses afterward that, "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Essentially, circumcised or not, what counts is faith.

@perfect_blue: Agreed. It's just a nice thing to do in general.

You didn't mention the term and I was the first person in this thread to use terms typically associated with the right. Easy mistake to make.

My point doesn't change, just change "me" to "Maroxad" or whoever. Hardly a meltdown, you're clearly just desperate to weasel your way out of the hole you dug yourself into. Face the facts everything you've said so far has been laughably hypocritical, childish, and ill-thought-out. Just admit defeat and move on, be a bigger man than what you are now.

I dont think anyone here gets offended.

Just a few overly insecure people do. Those people are very silly.

Personally, I have gotten merry christmas, happy holidays, and cards from other religious people celebrating their holidays. Everytime, I followed with a smile :)

Directly in the center? I didnt say that, I said I fall under centrism, specifically, I fall under center-left, the same place where Obama goes. Your far left comments mean nothing to anyone, considering that you called a libertarian a leftist and you called Obama (a hawkish, warmongering centrist with a health care proposal right out of the Heritage Foundation) far left.

It is associated with the left because of the narrative. But the narrative doesnt necessarily have to reflect reality. The fact of the matter is. This safe space mentality is quite an issue on both sides. Look at the outrage that happened when Hillary called Trump supporters deplorables. Getting journalists fired over jokes. War on Christmas ect.

I have said it repeatedly, but my opponent is not conservatives or right wingers. It is the SJWs, just as it is the hypocrites, frauds and the likes who call out SJWs out on their bullshit while simultaneously, acting exactly like them. Albeit under a different name. I dislike the authoritarian right, as I dislike the authoritarian left. Just because authoritiarians exist on the left side of the spectrum does not make it excusable when the alt-right does the same. It is called, having standards and principles. In this thread you have acted exactly like the SJWs you have criticized.

I think what you just described is called being reasonable. I mean, with the exception of the physical abuse, lol... But remaining respectful, enjoying the food, the sights, the ritual, all very reasonable. It's respecting unique culture that we've lost sight of. But this is a great example of just that.

@Maroxad: That libertarian as you called it "celebrated the rise of China and the fall of a predominantly white led society in America. Those are not libertarian views. He simply mentioned the steriotypes associated with the far left and labled them as far right characteristics. Then claimed to be a libertarian.

You can claim to be a Saint if you like but if your words and actions dont reflect what you claim to be then it really doesn't matter.

@toast_burner: Desperate to weasel out of what? Some forum troll who cant even peace together an argument of his own or follow a quote chain?

We literally had someone call alt right people(beta male geeks who play the victim). Which is hilariously ironic coming from a leftwing nut. Then celebrated the fall of a white male society. I called him a leftist and you got all butthurt because he called himself a libertarian. Thats where we stand right now.

Again how is it ironic? Unless you provide evidence that the person who said that is a beta geek then there's nothing ironic about it.

The only thing ironic here is how you keep whining like a little child and yet pretending it's everyone else but you doing it. To put this back on subject, nobody in this thread (nor have I ever met a person who) is offended by people saying "Merry Christmas" yet people are getting offended by people saying "Happy Holidays". So who in this situation are being whiners with a victim complex?

Yeah, the last 2000 years of Jewish scholarship dont believe the out of context argument. One more instance where the book cannot be trusted, because the people who are credited as writing it cannot even agree on a simple genital mutilation custom.

@toast_burner: Would you like me to provide videos of the far left in action versus the far right? Please let me know ill glady post some and you can decide for yourself who fits that stereotype best. Debating is not whining. Perhaps when you can form a logical argument by yourself you can figure that out.

Did you read the article? People get offended on both sides who cares.

Apparently there is a left-wing media conspiracy against the majority Christian faith in the US, trying to downplay all those Western European pagan rituals they hold so dearly.

The funny thing is, big-L Libertarians are sometimes further right than the "right wing" when it comes to fiscal positions. Their social policies are usually what people tend to focus on, hence the confusion about the position they hold.

Well for starters there are people that believe there's a war on Christmas...

Oh so you do agree that there's people who get offended on both sides? Then why were you so opposed to people calling out the ones on the right who got offended by nonsense? Because remember that is how this started, by people calling people who get offended by someone saying "happy holidays" precious little snowflakes. So why did you decide to defend those snowflakes if you agree that they are indeed snowflakes?

Yup. That is pretty common actually.

Hell, just look at the US libertarian party, compared to the republican party this US election. The Republicans were very iffy iffy on less spending. The Libertarian Party however, clearly wanted lower spending.

The libertarians are not right or left, they are in the dirt. What can you say about a "party" that nominates Gary Johnson, a self admitted idiot, as it's candidate? The guy who contradicted himself more than Trump, and showed a continuing lack of basic, middle school civics. I learned about Aleppo in 7th grade, because it's one of the longest inhabited US cities. And we were not even involved in Aleppo in 2001, and I was not running for President, a position based upon political, geographical and diplomatic issues!!

None of that has anything to do with the ideology, just the organisation.

Most people on OT, and by extension, the internet, don't spend much time learning the ins and outs of libertarianism. They just assume it's all Ayn Rand, eugenics and child labour and call it a day.

Id actually argue that it does.

The problem with libertarianism as an ideology is its something that if properly and well applied to certain aspects of our society then it can be a positive thing. But as overall ideology for a society, its not something that is applied well. It simply does not work as reality will get in the way very quickly.

All political ideologies seem to face this problem with being applied to everything.... the idea is we need to find proper mixes, not one or the other. But with libertarianism it kind of goes beyond that in its silliness because its simply not applicable in the way many libertarians want.

The problem libertarianism faces is there is no set of standards to really learn. Everything is ideology by person, thats kind of the point. Which means you can get a general idea but you wont be able to accurately represent everyone's idea of libertarianism in even a vague way or even a general representation... unless its "limited government" which is super vague and not even worthy of saying.

This is a fundamental problem that even libertarians recognize, what is the saying among libertarians? If two libertarians are in a room and one argues that slightly more regulation is okay, then he's not a real libertarian. These are not small things and if libertarians cant nail this shit down, how can you expect anyone else to? The best you can really expect is for someone to get to know a libertarian on a personal level and then have personal conversations.

The organization is a cause of the ideology. That is why libertarians are not taken seriously at all on a national stage. They are tiny and marginal, and that does speak to the ideology.

@kod: You mean like when Libertarians hold up Bioshock as a morality tale about what happens when you stray from Libertarianism just a little bit?

I'm not a fan of using fictional artwork to paint an ideology, or anything IRL, but advocating that something must be followed perfectly to be functional indicates deep flaws in either the ideology itself or one's understanding of it.

I dont mind it. Sci-Fi has been one of the best predictors and explainers we have as humans.

Either way my point is that libertarianism has its merits and value when applied to a certain group of laws and legislation, mostly individual household related. But its beyond silly when its attempted to be applied to business as a whole or how our government functions. Same with all political ideologies, they all have their place in society and should be used appropriately.