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#1 Rikusaki
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I think the "Big Bang" is kind of bogus.

Why does the Universe have to have a beginning and end?

The Big Bang is just religion disguised as science.

"At the moment in time when the Big Bang theorists claim the universe was functioning as it does today, complete with all fundamental forces, the entirety of the universe's mass was still well within the event horizon of its own gravity well. That the well was not the product of a true singularity is irrelevant, Newton's equation provides an equivalent gravity field for a singularity or a super dense mass in a localized region.

Therefore the Big Bang, as currently described, could not have produced the universe as we see it today. At three seconds, the time the theorists claim the universe started operating as we know it, it would have come under the influence of its own gravity and unable to reach an escape velocity exceeding that of light, collapsed back into itself."

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What if it always was?

Who knows?

What do you think?

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#2 Tokeism
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The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

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#3 Zerocrossings
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Never believed in it anyway. It has a very high chance of being completely wrong since nobody even knows so much about the galaxy.

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#4 psychobrew
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The big band theory is far from perfect. Some say that somehow mass was moving faster than the speed of light (perhaps the first warp drive? Hyperspace? Giant worm holes?). What I don't understand is why there are no theories that discuss what happened before the big bang.
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#5 59epuloen
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the big bang is real it just until recently people have been stuck in explaining the singularity. at first it was believed there was a point were the all the matter in the universe was one , the singularity, when the singularity itself could not be explained. the come along theory know as "m" theory or membrane theory, in this theory there 11 dimensions idk them all my self, i know 5 , up and down, left and right, backwards and forwards, space, and time.

the last dimension is where the membrane that binds all o universe exists. there are other universes in the 11th dimension and when of these membranes( universes) collide the form "big bangs". so that's all i know. it sounds a little crazy but the explanation for the big bang.

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#6 deactivated-6224e9178325f
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The big bang hasn't been proven at all, there's no evidence from the past telling us when it happened scientists just assumed that it did... so yeah, it's a theory.

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#7 redfield_137
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The big bang isn't a theory, it really happened i tell you. I should know, I was there.

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#8 xxmatt125xx
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Ive always wondered about this, well more to the point where to all the gas and other things come from and how were they created, and if it was created by a god how did he come to be he cant of just been there forever. I dont think about the big bang theory more to do with what was there before it like was there nothing?
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]The big band theory is far from perfect. Some say that somehow mass was moving faster than the speed of light (perhaps the first warp drive? Hyperspace? Giant worm holes?). What I don't understand is why there are no theories that discuss what happened before the big bang.

exactly
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#10 bean-with-bacon
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]The big band theory is far from perfect. Some say that somehow mass was moving faster than the speed of light (perhaps the first warp drive? Hyperspace? Giant worm holes?). What I don't understand is why there are no theories that discuss what happened before the big bang.

There was no 'before the big bang' time and space didn't exist until the big bang.
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#11 Citrus25
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No one knows nothing about Big Bang or the Universe.
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#12 jazznate
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The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

Tokeism

While you're partly true, I think you're understating what a scientific theory is. A theory is based on many facts, it may not be right but it's more than a mere guess.

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#13 ithilgore2006
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The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

Tokeism
Do you have any idea what a Scientific Theory is?
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#14 LJS9502_basic
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The big band theory is far from perfect. psychobrew
Well I'm not a big band fan...but Glenn Millers In The Mood is okay.....>__>

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#15 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]The big band theory is far from perfect. LJS9502_basic

Well I'm not a big band fan...but Glenn Millers In The Mood is okay.....>__>

Typos for the lulz. Well done. :lol:

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I think the Big Bang is bogus. There was no time before the big bang. Thats some of the responses to what happen before the Big Bang. Well thats just bogus. How do you explain this 'beginning' of the Big Bang and the singularity stuff? How that came to be instead of just simply saying, its just the beginning so nuff said. Its just improbable.

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#17 mrbojangles25
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God farted and thus the universe was born

end of story. most plausible theory ever

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#18 -Chimera-
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It's a fundamental component of Cosmology, not "religion disguised as science."

And that site doesn't look particularly trustworthy. I'd like to see the creator's credentials.

Edit: Oh wow, what a surprise. The host site is a conspiracy theory hub.

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[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]The big band theory is far from perfect. Some say that somehow mass was moving faster than the speed of light (perhaps the first warp drive? Hyperspace? Giant worm holes?). What I don't understand is why there are no theories that discuss what happened before the big bang.

There was no 'before the big bang' time and space didn't exist until the big bang.

Well of course there was, somthing had to be there to create something. So then where did the original bit come from ON and ON it gose! Thinking about this could drive someone insane i swear.
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#20 clubsammich91
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It's just a theory of the creation of the universe. You gotta better one?
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#21 -Chimera-
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[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]The big band theory is far from perfect. Some say that somehow mass was moving faster than the speed of light (perhaps the first warp drive? Hyperspace? Giant worm holes?). What I don't understand is why there are no theories that discuss what happened before the big bang.

There was no 'before the big bang' time and space didn't exist until the big bang.

Well of course there was, somthing had to be there to create something. So then where did the original bit come from ON and ON it gose! Thinking about this could drive someone insane i swear.

The theory doesn't attempt to address where the singularity came from or what there was before the singularity. That's an entirely different issue altogether, because the laws of nature and time itself didn't exist prior to the big bang.
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#22 PBSnipes
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Just a hunch, but something tells me absolutely no one on GS is qualified to discuss theoretical astrophysics.

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#23 -Chimera-
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Just a hunch, but something tells me absolutely no one on GS is qualified to discuss theoretical astrophysics.

PBSnipes
Well if there's no competing theory, then I don't see the harm in advocating it and clearing up any misconceptions people have on such a basic level. Seeing as how the TC is citing a source that is hosted by a conspiracy theory hub and no credentials are given for the article that he has cited, I feel a little compelled to point kind of this stuff out. I just don't get how people can outright reject something that they have practically no understanding of, especially in areas of science. It takes a hell of a lot more than an essay to disprove a credible scientific theory, and even more for any sort of hypothesis to become a theory in the first place.
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Wow, his in depth analysis seems to consist of him going "this is ridiculous, there's no way that could happen!" and changing the subject...
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[QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"] There was no 'before the big bang' time and space didn't exist until the big bang.

Well of course there was, somthing had to be there to create something. So then where did the original bit come from ON and ON it gose! Thinking about this could drive someone insane i swear.

The theory doesn't attempt to address where the singularity came from or what there was before the singularity. That's an entirely different issue altogether, because the laws of nature and time itself didn't exist prior to the big bang.

The theory doesn't attempt to address where the singularity came from or what there was before the singularity. That's an entirely different issue altogether, because the laws of nature and time itself didn't exist prior to the big bang. That logic is rubbish. The theory try to explain how the present day came to be, yet at the very beginning, cant explain how the singularity came to be, and said, the theory doesnt touch on that topic. How rubbish.
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#26 -Chimera-
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[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="jwsoul"] Well of course there was, somthing had to be there to create something. So then where did the original bit come from ON and ON it gose! Thinking about this could drive someone insane i swear.

The theory doesn't attempt to address where the singularity came from or what there was before the singularity. That's an entirely different issue altogether, because the laws of nature and time itself didn't exist prior to the big bang.

That logic is rubbish. The theory try to explain how the present day came to be, yet at the very beginning, cant explain how the singularity came to be, and said, the theory doesnt touch on that topic. How rubbish.

Incredulity isn't an argument. Try again.
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#27 Dr_Brocoli
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I find it funny how 98% of people who talk about the big bang theory have not thoroughly researched it and understand it properly rofl. includes TC.

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#28 joesh89
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For a start its a theory, and there are multiple variations of the theory, secondly it states the beginnings of the universe as we know it, it does not mean it was the beginning of "all existence" I see time as non existent outside of human thought, I doubt there is such a thing as a beginning and an end, to me it's a human idea.

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#29 Captain_Swosh69
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[QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="-Chimera-"] The theory doesn't attempt to address where the singularity came from or what there was before the singularity. That's an entirely different issue altogether, because the laws of nature and time itself didn't exist prior to the big bang.

That logic is rubbish. The theory try to explain how the present day came to be, yet at the very beginning, cant explain how the singularity came to be, and said, the theory doesnt touch on that topic. How rubbish.

Incredulity isn't an argument. Try again.

Incredulity and common sense is enuff to tell people to believe something else.
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#30 -Chimera-
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[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] That logic is rubbish. The theory try to explain how the present day came to be, yet at the very beginning, cant explain how the singularity came to be, and said, the theory doesnt touch on that topic. How rubbish.

Incredulity isn't an argument. Try again.

Incredulity and common sense is enuff to tell people to believe something else.

Okay then, what would you suggest in its stead? There is no other competing scientific theory, so I'm curious to see what you have to offer in its place.
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#31 samuraiguns
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Theorem, Theorem, Theorem...

I find it highly unlikely as well.

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#32 comp_atkins
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The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

Tokeism
please look up the definition of scientific theory please.
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#33 Citrus25
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I find it funny how 98% of people who talk about the big bang theory have not thoroughly researched it and understand it properly rofl. includes TC.

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And you?
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#34 -Chimera-
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[QUOTE="Tokeism"]

The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

comp_atkins
please look up the definition of scientific theory please.

Oh no, they can't do that! That means that they'll no longer be able to exploit the differences between academic definitions and scientific definitions!
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#35 Maqda7
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The big bang was created because of the following train of thought: Our universe is expanding, it is definetly observed that galaxies are moving further apart from each other. Therefore, moving back in time, all the galaxies must have been in the same point i.e. the big bang.
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[QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="-Chimera-"] Incredulity isn't an argument. Try again.

Incredulity and common sense is enuff to tell people to believe something else.

Okay then, what would you suggest in its stead? There is no other competing scientific theory, so I'm curious to see what you have to offer in its place.

i think that is something beyond human knowledge as of today. i'll just, eat, sleep, hump, then die. Until human can warped thru time and space and reach the edge of the universe and see what's out there, we're no closer to finding the universe origins. In fact, i dont think human can ever comprehend how the universe came to be. The universe is too big for the humans to unlock all its secrets. In fact, i think the universe had no origin. It just exists, and somehow there just happen to be a big bang, which causes the universe to expand ever more.
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#37 mohfrontline
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the big bang is dumb because there's no answer as to where that small piece of matter came from
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#38 PBSnipes
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just a hunch, but something tells me absolutely no one on GS is qualified to discuss theoretical astrophysics.

-Chimera-

Well if there's no competing theory, then I don't see the harm in advocating it and clearing up any misconceptions people have on such a basic level. Seeing as how the TC is citing a source that is hosted by a conspiracy theory hub and no credentials are given for the article that he has cited, I feel a little compelled to point kind of this stuff out. I just don't get how people can outright reject something that they have practically no understanding of, especially in areas of science. It takes a hell of a lot more than an essay to disprove a credible scientific theory, and even more for any sort of hypothesis to become a theory in the first place.

That's exactly my point.

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#39 Theokhoth
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A scientific theory is as close to a fact as science gets, and the Big Bang theory is the model with the most evidence, that makes the most sense and is the most accepted theory on how the universe began.

As for why the universe could not have always existed, it's simple: the universe is expanding. Eventually, it's going to collapse in on itself or rip apart. It couldn't have always existed because it would have ended an eternity ago if it did.

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#40 Carl_W21
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I quite go for the big bang theory.

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#41 reiv
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the big bang is dumb because there's no answer as to where that small piece of matter came frommohfrontline
Correct. In fact, next time there is a science convention you should go and point out that you are in fact the most clever person in the world and scientists are dumb.
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#42 -Chimera-
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[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]the big bang is dumb because there's no answer as to where that small piece of matter came fromreiv
Correct. In fact, next time there is a science convention you should go and point out that you are in fact the most clever person in the world and scientists are dumb.

Yeah, really. He could get a Nobel Prize or something, man. He really ought to do it now while he still knows everything.
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#43 EMOEVOLUTION
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hmm.. another thread where people simply don't have enough information to make any kind of conclusive argument.. fascinating.

I don't see anyone in here proving or disproving the big bang based on quotes/information from other people. It is a theory.

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#44 bigblunt537
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Wasn't there a bit a proof because they can still see the radiation from the big bang?

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Your source, his understanding of the Big Bang and your understanding of the Big Bang are all pretty depressing.
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#47 Captain_Swosh69
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the universe is gonna collapse when the universe stops expanding. i presume thats when its contracting. then on date XXXX, its doomsday people. be happy!! yea right. dense mass of singularity the beginning to time? i presume god farted and gave birth to that singularity particle. yea, right. radiation, yea so what. there's a new theory, i dont have the source, but suggests that the expansion of the universe is something else. i dont remember the article, but i really remember thats the idea. another theory. if anything, probably better than singularity BS and doomsday BS becoz of the singularity birth to the big bang BS.

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#48 Theokhoth
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Your source, his understanding of the Big Bang and your understanding of the Big Bang are all pretty depressing.xaos

Aren't they, though? But hey, it's nice to see so many people finally agreeing with Young Earth Creationists on the factuality of the Big Bang, the definition of "theory" and the way we use evidence being a coverup for some malicious bias.

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#50 Maqda7
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the universe is gonna collapse when the universe stops expanding. Captain_Swosh69

I automatically stopped reading your post after that because it the universe could expand indefinetly or collapse. Your quick assumption that it'll collapse is invalid thus making, at least in my opinion, your post invalid.