The Big Bang. (56k)

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

You need evidence to show why he's no longer a suspect; you haven't given any evidence for why the Big Bang is no longer a possible model other than "it's BS."

sSubZerOo

The Big bang is just a theory of how the universe was created, and like all theories it shouldnt be take as fact

Tokeism

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] sheer incredulity and common sense that lead me to believe otherwise. scientists had been proven wrong. big bang is still a theory, even if its the one with the most evidence. however, a few years back, there's a few articles, each touch on different aspects of the universe, that doesnt agree with the big bang theory. and these are just studies, not even theory; meaning not other theory to debunk the big bang yet doent agree with big bang. in shorts, its not an apple you're holding. anyway, i dont have source and i dont remember them but some already mention one i think. the universe expansion is slowing down. yea, i remember that article. the rest i forgot.Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] sheer incredulity and common sense that lead me to believe otherwise. scientists had been proven wrong. big bang is still a theory, even if its the one with the most evidence. however, a few years back, there's a few articles, each touch on different aspects of the universe, that doesnt agree with the big bang theory. and these are just studies, not even theory; meaning not other theory to debunk the big bang yet doent agree with big bang. in shorts, its not an apple you're holding. anyway, i dont have source and i dont remember them but some already mention one i think. the universe expansion is slowing down. yea, i remember that article. the rest i forgot.Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] sheer incredulity and common sense that lead me to believe otherwise. scientists had been proven wrong. big bang is still a theory, even if its the one with the most evidence. however, a few years back, there's a few articles, each touch on different aspects of the universe, that doesnt agree with the big bang theory. and these are just studies, not even theory; meaning not other theory to debunk the big bang yet doent agree with big bang. in shorts, its not an apple you're holding. anyway, i dont have source and i dont remember them but some already mention one i think. the universe expansion is slowing down. yea, i remember that article. the rest i forgot.Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="-Russ93"]

The big bang hasn't been proven at all, there's no evidence from the past telling us when it happened scientists just assumed that it did... so yeah, it's a theory.

-Chimera-

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]Which evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe

Anonymous_2

Oh my:

Phantom energy in a scenario known as the Big Rip causes an exponentially increasing divergent expansion, which overcomes the gravitation of the local group and tears apart our Virgo supercluster, it then tears apart the milky way galaxy, our solar system, and finally even atoms. Measurements of acceleration are thought crucial to determining the ultimate fate of the universe, however we should expect the implications of such a major discovery to develop slowly over many years in the same way the big bang model has continued to develop.

In short: your article agrees with him. :lol:

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] You have no clue what a Scientific thoery is, its basically the closest thing to fact in the science community.. I could care less if you don't accept it or not, but stop saying "its just a theory" because it shows you to be completely ignorant and not worth having a debate with.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Oh my:

Phantom energy in a scenario known as the Big Rip causes an exponentially increasing divergent expansion, which overcomes the gravitation of the local group and tears apart our Virgo supercluster, it then tears apart the milky way galaxy, our solar system, and finally even atoms. Measurements of acceleration are thought crucial to determining the ultimate fate of the universe, however we should expect the implications of such a major discovery to develop slowly over many years in the same way the big bang model has continued to develop.

In short: your article agrees with him. :lol:

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] closest to a fact, yet not a fact. now thats a fact. nuff said.

Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] closest to a fact, yet not a fact. now thats a fact. nuff said.

Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I take it you don't believe in photosynthesis after all THATS a scientific theory.. Or what about the Cell theory.. Seriously your ignorance is astounding and you clealry have no clue what your talking about.. How bout you actually take 5 minutes to read what a "scientific theory" means because it is not equivlent to "theory".sSubZerOo

If these posts get any worse I'm going to literally, actually explode with rage. One more 'just a theory' comment and my innards will be splattered all over the monitor. :/

Funky_Llama

you group it with the big bang as like the big bang is a fact as well but its not. ITS JUST A THEORY

Captain_Swosh69

Seriously though, I think this guy might be trolling. I just can't imagine that throughout this entire thread that he has completely disregarded anything that anybody has said to the contrary of his assertions about what a scientific theory even is.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] photosynthesis is no longer a theory since its proven. big banf is still just a theory. you guys follow that up on 'based on facts', like you're suggesting that this theory is not a theory but a fact. i suggests you read the dictionary on what a theory means. Photosynthesis is not a theory. The big bang is.Captain_Swosh69

i cant believe people would say that photosynthesis is a theory. it WAS a theory. the big bang IS a theory. i dont know what book you people had been reading, but nowhere anyweher ever should it say that photosynthesis is a theory.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

If these posts get any worse I'm going to literally, actually explode with rage. One more 'just a theory' comment and my innards will be splattered all over the monitor. :/

-Chimera-

you group it with the big bang as like the big bang is a fact as well but its not. ITS JUST A THEORY

Captain_Swosh69

i cant believe people would say that photosynthesis is a theory. it WAS a theory. the big bang IS a theory. i dont know what book you people had been reading, but nowhere anyweher ever should it say that photosynthesis is a theory.

Captain_Swosh69

Jesus Christ, read this before posting.

photosynthesis is no longer a theory since its proven. big banf is still just a theory. you guys follow that up on 'based on facts', like you're suggesting that this theory is not a theory but a fact. i suggests you read the dictionary on what a theory means. Photosynthesis is not a theory. The big bang is.Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]'Increasingly divergent expansion'? I think someone needs to actually read his sources beforehand. :|Anonymous_2

So there I present to funky_Llama,

I mean look at his posts, trying to sound off like hez all too pissed at the ignorance of others.:lol:

*falls off the chair laughing*

An accelerating universe expansion = universe will end. You owned yourself.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]'Increasingly divergent expansion'? I think someone needs to actually read his sources beforehand. :|Anonymous_2

So there I present to funky_Llama,

I mean look at his posts, trying to sound off like hez all too pissed at the ignorance of others.:lol:

Eh, I can't say I paid much attention to your comment. I assumed on the basis of Theokhoth's that you were arguing contrary to the quote he presented. In short I'm going to use Theo as a scapegoat for everything ever. >_>

Funky_Llama

I wasn't arguing that the universe wasn't accelerating; I was arguing that the universe will not expand forever. :lol:

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

i cant believe people would say that photosynthesis is a theory. it WAS a theory. the big bang IS a theory. i dont know what book you people had been reading, but nowhere anyweher ever should it say that photosynthesis is a theory.

-Chimera-

Jesus Christ, read this before posting.

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

i cant believe people would say that photosynthesis is a theory. it WAS a theory. the big bang IS a theory. i dont know what book you people had been reading, but nowhere anyweher ever should it say that photosynthesis is a theory.

Captain_Swosh69

Jesus Christ, read this before posting.

This should be sigged, but I'll just ask if you could repeat that in English.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Eh, I can't say I paid much attention to your comment. I assumed on the basis of Theokhoth's that you were arguing contrary to the quote he presented. In short I'm going to use Theo as a scapegoat for everything ever. >_>

Theokhoth

I wasn't arguing that the universe wasn't accelerating; I was arguing that the universe will not expand forever. :lol:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Eh, I can't say I paid much attention to your comment. I assumed on the basis of Theokhoth's that you were arguing contrary to the quote he presented. In short I'm going to use Theo as a scapegoat for everything ever. >_>

I wasn't arguing that the universe wasn't accelerating; I was arguing that the universe will not expand forever. :lol:

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

Troll confirmed.-Chimera-

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]Troll confirmed.Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

sSubZerOo

The newer theories of the Big Bang are excellent and use quantum mechanics to be explained.

Here's the real kicker. Our universe is actually 2d. Think of a point of a balloon. When it expands, all area around that point moves further from the balloon. We see the same thing in our universe. Everything is moving away from us at a certain speed.

Also the Universe itself doesn't have to obay time and space laws because the Universe is not in time and space. It is time and space. We cannot look outside of our own Universe because of it.

Its all really cool stuff.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

Captain_Swosh69

Troll confirmed.-Chimera-

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]Troll confirmed.Funky_Llama

yeh but you dont know what your talkin bout man if you only knew but you dont so if you dont see that its then WOW. just WOW

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="-Chimera-"]Troll confirmed.Theokhoth

yeh but you dont know what your talkin bout man if you only knew but you dont so if you dont see that its then WOW. just WOW

The newer theories of the Big Bang are excellent and use quantum mechanics to be explained.

Here's the real kicker. Our universe is actually 2d. Think of a point of a balloon. When it expands, all area around that point moves further from the balloon. We see the same thing in our universe. Everything is moving away from us at a certain speed.

Also the Universe itself doesn't have to obay time and space laws because the Universe is not in time and space. It is time and space. We cannot look outside of our own Universe because of it.

Its all really cool stuff.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

anyway, if people just blindly accepts that there's nothing or couldnt explain what was there before the big bang, then WOW. the big bang created the universe. what created the big bang?? ohh nothing becoz time didnt exist then. yea right.

Captain_Swosh69

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Captain_Ignorance, buddy no one suggests what was before the Big Bang.. The Scientific Theory has nothing to do with that what so ever, its just about that event on how our universe took the current form it has.. And we have evidence that the Big Bang occured.. Other than the fact that they have been able to pinpoint where it occured due to the trajectory of the spreading out universe.. But we have monitored the background radiation of the Big Bang ever sense we had the capabilities of doing so.. Hell the static on tv when you turn to a channel that doesn't come up actually is part static from that background radiation.xaos

This thread is just WOW. just WOW-Chimera-

I smell a meme...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The newer theories of the Big Bang are excellent and use quantum mechanics to be explained.

Here's the real kicker. Our universe is actually 2d. Think of a point of a balloon. When it expands, all area around that point moves further from the balloon. We see the same thing in our universe. Everything is moving away from us at a certain speed.

Also the Universe itself doesn't have to obay time and space laws because the Universe is not in time and space. It is time and space. We cannot look outside of our own Universe because of it.

Its all really cool stuff.

Captain_Swosh69

I'm not trying to explain how it came to be. What happened before is unknown, what made the universe expand is also unknown. With our present knowledge of our own universe we can come to a conclusion backed by years of scientific study that has seen many thousands of different, testable theories to say that our Universe expanded about 13.7 billion years years ago and about 400,000 years after that the Universe had cooled enough for the formation of matter beyond a single proton.

The Universe as we describe it today is actually all of space and time. Space and time expand with the Universe. The Universe doesn't expand within space and time thus it is not subject to the rules of space and time. It actually at one point expanded faster than the speed of light.

You should research a bit of Albert Einstein's work on the Theory of Relativity and Alexander Friendmann's on deriving the expanding universe equation from the Theory of Relativity and general relativity.