[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]cybrcatterI have nothing against you deciding what parts of the bible you want to take literally, and what parts you do not.That's why people refer to it as interpreting quite often. All I would ask is that you give the same benefit to people of other religious, and how they interpret their sacred texts. What?..It's pretty obvious that he was referring to the oppression that was suffered at the hands of the Egyptians..
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
What exactly is your endgame here? Why are you trying so hard to demonize Islam?
I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..Yes you are trying to demonize Islam. Who do you think you're fooling?
This very comment is an attempt to demonize the religion by generalizing its followers. Why are you ignoring the level headed Muslims out there?
I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
What exactly is your endgame here? Why are you trying so hard to demonize Islam?
GreySeal9
Yes you are trying to demonize Islam. Who do you think you're fooling?
This very comment is an attempt to demonize the religion by generalizing its followers. Why are you ignoring the level headed Muslims out there?
Where in the hell did i even mention it's followers in a general way stating that they all go and blow themselves up?! I have absolutely no problem with it's followers, i have a problem with their ideology and teachings..I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Dear god man...Sometimes I ask myself, why am I so nice in this forum?
Every religion has peaceful teaching and some ****ed up teachings.
And level headed followers? Have you ever even talked to a damn muslim before? Almost all that I've met are the nicest people ever. They follow their religion, but it's not like they blindly follow it :?
Take a cultural class or something. It helps. Or talk to a muslim about their religion.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Yes you are trying to demonize Islam. Who do you think you're fooling?
This very comment is an attempt to demonize the religion by generalizing its followers. Why are you ignoring the level headed Muslims out there?
Where in the hell did i even mention it's followers in a general way stating that they all go and blow themselves up?! I have absolutely no problem with it's followers, i have a problem with their ideology and teachings..You said "if it was a religion noted for its peaceful teachings or level headed followers I'd have no problem."
Again, who are you trying to fool?
Also, generalizing their ideology and teachings is just as intellectually dishonest as generalizing the people themselves.
[QUOTE="cobrax25"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Jews were frequently killed and exiled in Europe for being jewish....
In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Xx_Hopeless_xXI have nothing against you deciding what parts of the bible you want to take literally, and what parts you do not.That's why people refer to it as interpreting quite often. All I would ask is that you give the same benefit to people of other religious, and how they interpret their sacred texts. What?..It's pretty obvious that he was referring to the oppression that was suffered at the hands of the Egyptians.. Obvious to you perhaps, someone else could look at it differently. My point is that both books are open to interpretation.
In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
[QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Jews were frequently killed and exiled in Europe for being jewish....
cobrax25
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I want some of what this guy is smoking :)Probably going to get moderated for that but...Eh.
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..
taj7575
Dear god man...Sometimes I ask myself, why am I so nice in this forum?
Every religion has peaceful teaching and some ****ed up teachings.
And level headed followers? Have you ever even talked to a damn muslim before? Almost all that I've met are the nicest people ever. They follow their religion, but it's not like they blindly follow it :?
Take a cultural class or something. It helps. Or talk to a muslim about their religion.
I ask my self the same thing on daily basis...Chrsitianity does not promotethe killing of non believers..as shown when i refuted the claims of such when others posted them...
I am, once again not targeting the followers rather the teaching and ideology..
And since when does "talking to a few Muslims" of which you have no evidence of..provide the basis for any statement after that?..
[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..
Snipes_2
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I want some of what this guy is smoking :)Instead of little cutesy one liners, why not rebut the argument?
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] I have nothing against you deciding what parts of the bible you want to take literally, and what parts you do not.That's why people refer to it as interpreting quite often. All I would ask is that you give the same benefit to people of other religious, and how they interpret their sacred texts. cybrcatterWhat?..It's pretty obvious that he was referring to the oppression that was suffered at the hands of the Egyptians.. Obvious to you perhaps, someone else could look at it differently. My point is that both books are open to interpretation. Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right off the bat..
[QUOTE="taj7575"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Dear god man...Sometimes I ask myself, why am I so nice in this forum?
Every religion has peaceful teaching and some ****ed up teachings.
And level headed followers? Have you ever even talked to a damn muslim before? Almost all that I've met are the nicest people ever. They follow their religion, but it's not like they blindly follow it :?
Take a cultural class or something. It helps. Or talk to a muslim about their religion.
I ask my self the same thing on daily basis...Chrsitianity does not promotethe killing of non believers..as shown when i refuted the claims of such when others posted them...
I am, once again not targeting the followers rather the teaching and ideology..
And since when does "talking to a few Muslims" of which you have no evidence of..provide the basis for any statement after that?..
You said "if it was a religion noted for its level headed followers...". Did you forget you typed that or something?
I want some of what this guy is smoking :)[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
GreySeal9
Instead of little cutesy one liners, why not rebut the argument?
I can't do so without rage quitting at this exact moment. I most definitely will address it tomorrow.I ask my self the same thing on daily basis...[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
[QUOTE="taj7575"]
Dear god man...Sometimes I ask myself, why am I so nice in this forum?
Every religion has peaceful teaching and some ****ed up teachings.
And level headed followers? Have you ever even talked to a damn muslim before? Almost all that I've met are the nicest people ever. They follow their religion, but it's not like they blindly follow it :?
Take a cultural class or something. It helps. Or talk to a muslim about their religion.
GreySeal9
Chrsitianity does not promotethe killing of non believers..as shown when i refuted the claims of such when others posted them...
I am, once again not targeting the followers rather the teaching and ideology..
And since when does "talking to a few Muslims" of which you have no evidence of..provide the basis for any statement after that?..
You said "if it was a religion noted for its level headed followers...". Did you forget you typed that or something?
Hence the propensity for its teachings to either be misinterpreted or the fact that they are in fact violent in nature..Obvious to you perhaps, someone else could look at it differently. My point is that both books are open to interpretation. Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right off the bat..[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What?..It's pretty obvious that he was referring to the oppression that was suffered at the hands of the Egyptians..Xx_Hopeless_xX
There is much diversity of interpretation within Christianity. The same is true of Islam. That's the point he is trying to make.
[QUOTE="taj7575"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
I'm not "trying so hard to demonize Islam" :lol:..if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Dear god man...Sometimes I ask myself, why am I so nice in this forum?
Every religion has peaceful teaching and some ****ed up teachings.
And level headed followers? Have you ever even talked to a damn muslim before? Almost all that I've met are the nicest people ever. They follow their religion, but it's not like they blindly follow it :?
Take a cultural class or something. It helps. Or talk to a muslim about their religion.
I ask my self the same thing on daily basis...Chrsitianity does not promotethe killing of non believers..as shown when i refuted the claims of such when others posted them...
I am, once again not targeting the followers rather the teaching and ideology..
And since when does "talking to a few Muslims" of which you have no evidence of..provide the basis for any statement after that?..
".if it was a religion noted or its peaceful teachings and level headed followers i'd have no problem with it.."
Doesn't sound like just talking to a few muslims.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What?..It's pretty obvious that he was referring to the oppression that was suffered at the hands of the Egyptians..Xx_Hopeless_xXObvious to you perhaps, someone else could look at it differently. My point is that both books are open to interpretation. Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right of the bat.. Exactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an?
In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
[QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Jews were frequently killed and exiled in Europe for being jewish....
cobrax25
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I ask my self the same thing on daily basis...
Chrsitianity does not promotethe killing of non believers..as shown when i refuted the claims of such when others posted them...
I am, once again not targeting the followers rather the teaching and ideology..
And since when does "talking to a few Muslims" of which you have no evidence of..provide the basis for any statement after that?..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
You said "if it was a religion noted for its level headed followers...". Did you forget you typed that or something?
Hence the propensity for its teachings to either be misinterpreted or the fact that they are in fact violent in nature..When you said that, you were implying that they are not level headed and you seem to be justifying that statement even now, so why are you trying to deny it now? You are CLEARLY generalizing the followers and not accounting for level headed Muslims.
Again, what exactly is your endgame?
[QUOTE="cobrax25"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..
Snipes_2
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I want some of what this guy is smoking :)Probably going to get moderated for that but...Eh.
then answer it? If Christianity never promoted violence then why is it that non-catholics were frequently atacked in Europe for not being catholic?
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right of the bat..Xx_Hopeless_xXExactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an? Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..
You dodged the question.
He asked, "Are you a practicing Muslim?"
I want some of what this guy is smoking :)[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
[QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
cobrax25
Probably going to get moderated for that but...Eh.
then answer it? If Christianity never promoted violence then why is it that non-catholics were frequently atacked in Europe for not being catholic?
Links to these supposed attacks?[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right of the bat..Xx_Hopeless_xXExactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an? Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..
Ah yes, the proceeding passages excuse.
You could take a few passages out of a childrens book and make it sound evil. I don't see what reading a few passages does at all?
Hence the propensity for its teachings to either be misinterpreted or the fact that they are in fact violent in nature..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
You said "if it was a religion noted for its level headed followers...". Did you forget you typed that or something?
GreySeal9
When you said that, you were implying that they are not level headed and you seem to be justifying that statement even now, so why are you trying to deny it now? You are CLEARLY generalizing the followers and not accounting for level headed Muslims.
Again, what exactly is your endgame?
I am not generalizing the followers...hop off that boat already...i'm targeting the ideology and so forth..and the tendency for the teachings to be either taken to literally, misinterpreted and so on..endgame?..My endgame was over when i made my first reply...now i am simply refuting statements made by other users..Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Exactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an?GreySeal9
You dodged the question.
He asked, "Are you a practicing Muslim?"
You don't have to be a practicing Muslim to read the Quran and understand its passages. Same goes for the Bible.Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Exactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an?taj7575
Ah yes, the proceeding passages excuse.
You could take a few passages out of a childrens book and make it sound evil. I don't see what reading a few passages does at all?
Proceeding passages give context in most cases as they give you a picture of what the general idea of the passages are..[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Someone else?...if you're a practicing Christian you would know that right of the bat..Xx_Hopeless_xXExactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an? Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context.. Unless you have devoted yourself to Islam, I doubt that you posses the requisite understanding to interpret it like the majority of Muslims do, though I am now making assumptions of you for which I have no basis. Personally, I have only limited knowledge of the Qur'an. I was raised Christian and know only of the Qur'an through a few Muslin friends.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Hence the propensity for its teachings to either be misinterpreted or the fact that they are in fact violent in nature..Xx_Hopeless_xX
When you said that, you were implying that they are not level headed and you seem to be justifying that statement even now, so why are you trying to deny it now? You are CLEARLY generalizing the followers and not accounting for level headed Muslims.
Again, what exactly is your endgame?
I am not generalizing the followers...hop off that boat already...i'm targeting the ideology and so forth..and the tendency for the teachings to be either taken to literally, misinterpreted and so on..endgame?..My endgame was over when i made my first reply...now i am simply refuting statements made by other users..I'm not going to hop off that boat because you are generalizing its followers. You said "if it was noted for its level headed followers". There is a very clear implication in that statement. And what makes it worse is that you tried to pretend that your statement had nothing to do with the followers. That's outright dishonest.
As for you endgame, why are you putting so much energy in tearing down the Islamic religion?
[QUOTE="taj7575"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..Xx_Hopeless_xX
Ah yes, the proceeding passages excuse.
You could take a few passages out of a childrens book and make it sound evil. I don't see what reading a few passages does at all?
Proceeding passages give context in most cases as they give you a picture of what the general idea of the passages are..No it doesn't. And you aren't even a devout follower, and didn't even read the whole thing. But keep telling yourself you are an expert, because you are about the only one who feels that way ;)
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..Snipes_2
You dodged the question.
He asked, "Are you a practicing Muslim?"
You don't have to be a practicing Muslim to read the Quran and understand its passages. Same goes for the Bible.I agree. But then Hopeless can't use the whole "if you're a true Christian" argument.
He has a double standard when it comes to the two religions.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I always wonder, where are all of the conservative comedians? wstfldJudging by how this topic has gone, its because they don't have a sense of humor. Ehh, I have many conservative friends who are quick witted and hilarious.
I am not generalizing the followers...hop off that boat already...i'm targeting the ideology and so forth..and the tendency for the teachings to be either taken to literally, misinterpreted and so on..endgame?..My endgame was over when i made my first reply...now i am simply refuting statements made by other users..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
When you said that, you were implying that they are not level headed and you seem to be justifying that statement even now, so why are you trying to deny it now? You are CLEARLY generalizing the followers and not accounting for level headed Muslims.
Again, what exactly is your endgame?
GreySeal9
I'm not going to hop off that boat because you are generalizing its followers. You said "if it was noted for its level headed followers". There is a very clear implication in that statement. And what makes it worse is that you tried to pretend that your statement had nothing to do with the followers. That's outright dishonest.
As for you endgame, why are you putting so much energy in tearing down the Islamic religion?
So you don't deny that it's teachings are oft misinterpreted and so forth..?Proceeding passages give context in most cases as they give you a picture of what the general idea of the passages are..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
[QUOTE="taj7575"]
Ah yes, the proceeding passages excuse.
You could take a few passages out of a childrens book and make it sound evil. I don't see what reading a few passages does at all?
taj7575
No it doesn't. And you aren't even a devout follower, and didn't even read the whole thing. But keep telling yourself you are an expert, because you are about the only one who feels that way ;)
Where did i try to come off as an expert again :lol:..?[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]I am not generalizing the followers...hop off that boat already...i'm targeting the ideology and so forth..and the tendency for the teachings to be either taken to literally, misinterpreted and so on..endgame?..My endgame was over when i made my first reply...now i am simply refuting statements made by other users..Xx_Hopeless_xX
I'm not going to hop off that boat because you are generalizing its followers. You said "if it was noted for its level headed followers". There is a very clear implication in that statement. And what makes it worse is that you tried to pretend that your statement had nothing to do with the followers. That's outright dishonest.
As for you endgame, why are you putting so much energy in tearing down the Islamic religion?
So you don't deny that it's teachings are oft misinterpreted and so forth..?All religions are misinterpreted sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.
Yes, i have actually read many of the proceeding passages to make certain the quotes are within context..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Exactly, being a practicing christian gives you context. Are you a practicing Muslim? Do you have the proper context to interpret the Qur'an?taj7575
Ah yes, the proceeding passages excuse.
You could take a few passages out of a childrens book and make it sound evil. I don't see what reading a few passages does at all?
Um...that's not an excuse. That's how you make sure the verses are in context :|.
I could pull the words "childrens book" out of the context of your post and claim you made an irrelevant statement about books that children read. By subsequently reading the preceeding and proceeding parts as well though, I would be able to see the words "childrens book" in context and understand why you used them.
I'm pretty sure you misunderstood him.
I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
cobrax25
Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?
Spanish Inquisition was based on the Monarchy, Are you referring to the Protestant Reformation? And what are "Theprogroms"?So you don't deny that it's teachings are oft misinterpreted and so forth..?[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I'm not going to hop off that boat because you are generalizing its followers. You said "if it was noted for its level headed followers". There is a very clear implication in that statement. And what makes it worse is that you tried to pretend that your statement had nothing to do with the followers. That's outright dishonest.
As for you endgame, why are you putting so much energy in tearing down the Islamic religion?
GreySeal9
All religions are misinterpreted sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.
Yet not one religion has been misinterpreted as much within even the past decade as Islam has as there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks on the civilized world all in the name of the Islamic God..[QUOTE="taj7575"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Proceeding passages give context in most cases as they give you a picture of what the general idea of the passages are..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
No it doesn't. And you aren't even a devout follower, and didn't even read the whole thing. But keep telling yourself you are an expert, because you are about the only one who feels that way ;)
Where did i try to come off as an expert again :lol:..?When you say you have read some passages and you feel you understand what the religion is about.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] So you don't deny that it's teachings are oft misinterpreted and so forth..?Xx_Hopeless_xX
All religions are misinterpreted sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.
Yet not one religion has been misinterpreted as much within even the past decade as Islam has as there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks on the civilized world all in the name of the Islamic God..Islam is having bigger problems with extremists at the moment. I don't think anybody will deny that. There are many sociopolitical reasons for this that don't equate to Islam being somehow inferior.
I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]
Obviously so if they were singled out for being Jewish by Christians. Your argument is honestly quite moronic, its pretty obvious that christianity has been used to justify mass murder of non-chrisitians on a fairly regular basis.
If The Bible only advocates peace, then why was their so much violence agaist non-Chrisitians (or even non-catholics) in Europe? And thats not even considering what christians did outside of Europe, where Entire civilizations were wiped out in the name of god.
cobrax25
Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?
Oh you mean the wars conducted by the monarchy?..You do realize that protestants are a christian denomination right?..Regardless..that war was waged by both sides..neither of which could be called the aggressor definitively as both instigated and so on..and you mean..the pogroms that were not exclusively waged by Christians?.. "The 11th century, however, saw several Muslim pogroms against Jews; those that occurred in Cordoba in 1011 and in Granada in 1066. In the 1066 Granada massacre, a Muslim mob crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred about 4,000 Jews In 1033 about 6,000 Jews were killed in Fez, Morocco by Muslim mobs.Mobs in Fez murdered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, in 1465." Also, not exclusive to Jews.."Jews, Poles, and Catholics were massacred during the Khmelnytsky Uprising of Ukrainian Cossacks in retaliation for Polish colonialism in 1648–1654 and during the Koliyivshchyna in 1768-1769."Yet not one religion has been misinterpreted as much within even the past decade as Islam has as there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks on the civilized world all in the name of the Islamic God..[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
All religions are misinterpreted sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.
GreySeal9
Islam is having bigger problems with extremists at the moment. I don't think anybody will deny that. There are many sociopolitical reasons for this that don't equate to Islam being somehow inferior.
Right..let's make up an excuse for them..[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..Snipes_2
Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?
Spanish Inquisition was based on the Monarchy, Are you referring to the Protestant Reformation? And what are "Theprogroms"?You keep saying that, but the reality of it is all the same, its Christians targeting non-christians for being non-christistians. Im not reffering to the Protestant Reformation, im reffering to what happened after, when entire wars were fought agaist protestants.
Pogroms were widespread violence towards jews in Eastern Europe (jews were pretty much kicked out of everywhere else).
Where did i try to come off as an expert again :lol:..?[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="taj7575"]
No it doesn't. And you aren't even a devout follower, and didn't even read the whole thing. But keep telling yourself you are an expert, because you are about the only one who feels that way ;)
taj7575
When you say you have read some passages and you feel you understand what the religion is about.
Reading the proceeding passages gives MORE THEN ENOUGH context...do you read the lines before a the sentence you are quoting in regards to statements made by political members and so forth?..Or do you just believe you don't have an understanding of anything he is talking about and forget it entirely because you feel that reading what he has to say does not give you enough of an idea?..Please Log In to post.
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