The Daily Show Vs. Islamaphobia

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

They did, I have shown you many examples of Jews in Europe being targeted. And I though Christians were so tollerent agaist other faiths? Why is it that people in Europe stopped believing in the Catholic Church and were instantly atacked by them.

Also, I absolutly love how older periods dont matter because people were less "peacefull" and yet you are quoting from a book written 2000 years ago. As though people were more peacefull and educated then.

cobrax25

Every one else (Christians). Do you even know what a revolt is? How can you revolt agaist a minority population. They revolted against the nobles..i thought as much was obvious..i have no clue what you mean by "everyone else"..do YOU even know what a revolt is?..it would help if you specified the time period in question as well..although all throughout the periods there have been peasants willing to jump at any chance they could find to revolt against nobles..

Your coming across as a massive hypocrite, you cant quote the bible and then pretend like the 2000 years of christian history doesnt matter. I have refuted every claim you have made in regards to the teachings supporting any kind of violence..and where did i pretend the history didn't matter pray tell?...This argument was originally about the teachings of Islam..to which you argued that Christians have propagated just as much violence in the name of their faith...which is wholly untrue as shown in the numerous pages of this thread..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

:lol::lol::lol:

They targeted Jews, of course it was a matter of religion....It would be one thing if they targeted farmers, or bankers, or even a social group....but they targeted a religion, why do you think that was so?

You are telling me I have no proof? I have 1000 years of history on my side...what do you have?

cobrax25

They were atacked by Christians...If Christians were tollerent towards others why did they attack other religious groups?

Dont pretend like you know anything about Martin Luther....Dont act like the Protestant Reformation happened and Protenstants became well intergrated in European society...

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] When, may i ask were the Jews targeted specifically by Christians in the name of God? And when were these people attacked..? And who were they attacked by?..The laypeople of the Era that you are probably questioning were far from highly informed and they revolted at every chance they got....And again you go back to the Jew example..when i have stated numerous times now that they were not expelled in the name of God nor were the persecuted in the name of God with the exception of the Crusades in which was already covered extensively.. I am quoting a book written 2000 years ago in an argument in which both the Quran and the Bible were being quoted..the claims that the Bible supported violence have already been debunked whereas the ones in regards to the Quran still stand..so why don't you keep the statements and quotes within the parameters being used when they are being quoted..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Every one else (Christians). Do you even know what a revolt is? How can you revolt agaist a minority population. They revolted against the nobles..i thought as much was obvious..i have no clue what you mean by "everyone else"..do YOU even know what a revolt is?..it would help if you specified the time period in question as well..although all throughout the periods there have been peasants willing to jump at any chance they could find to revolt against nobles..

Your coming across as a massive hypocrite, you cant quote the bible and then pretend like the 2000 years of christian history doesnt matter. I have refuted every claim you have made in regards to the teachings supporting any kind of violence..and where did i pretend the history didn't matter pray tell?...This argument was originally about the teachings of Islam..to which you argued that Christians have propagated just as much violence in the name of their faith...which is wholly untrue as shown in the numerous pages of this thread..

What Nobles? where are you even getting this. They atacked jews, not nobles.

I have given you so many examples of Religious violence in Europe...I dont know how anybody can not see it. You can keep making the argument that it doesnt relate to Christianity, but if that was the case, why is it religious groups being targeted in every single one of these cases by Christians (specificlly catholics)

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Protestants are a sub group of Christianity...so i don't understand what you're trying to point out..and what?..Have radical Christians ever done anything like..say...blowing up thousands of innocents and making numerous threats and attempts within MODERN times..the only remotely comparable thing that you can attribute to Christianity as a whole is the Crusades..and even then..if looked at within context of the times..Crusades were fairly common..and even then..Christians protected the persecuted from danger...And within ONE decade i have not seen any christian attempt to, plan to or act upon any plot to harm innocents in the name of their God..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Well the Holocaust can be attributed to Christianity.

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Yes he even had the Catholic Church and Pope on his side. Hitler was a Christian he did believe he was fighting for God as did much of the populous at the time.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] So they targeted Jews in the name of God on what occasion?...I have yet to see one where they targeted them backed up the teachings of Christianity.. And you have yet to bring up an effective argument in regards to the "history" on your side..you even misconstrued or attempted to misconstrue the situation of Martin Luther..Xx_Hopeless_xX

They were atacked by Christians...If Christians were tollerent towards others why did they attack other religious groups?

Dont pretend like you know anything about Martin Luther....Dont act like the Protestant Reformation happened and Protenstants became well intergrated in European society...

not backed according to you...the reality is that they are all still christians, and here you were saying Christians never promote violence. Especially towards other faiths....

You know nothing on this subject, you didnt even know what a Pogrom was.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Every one else (Christians). Do you even know what a revolt is? How can you revolt agaist a minority population. They revolted against the nobles..i thought as much was obvious..i have no clue what you mean by "everyone else"..do YOU even know what a revolt is?..it would help if you specified the time period in question as well..although all throughout the periods there have been peasants willing to jump at any chance they could find to revolt against nobles..

Your coming across as a massive hypocrite, you cant quote the bible and then pretend like the 2000 years of christian history doesnt matter. I have refuted every claim you have made in regards to the teachings supporting any kind of violence..and where did i pretend the history didn't matter pray tell?...This argument was originally about the teachings of Islam..to which you argued that Christians have propagated just as much violence in the name of their faith...which is wholly untrue as shown in the numerous pages of this thread..

cobrax25

What Nobles? where are you even getting this. They atacked jews, not nobles.

I have given you so many examples of Religious violence in Europe...I dont know how anybody can not see it. You can keep making the argument that it doesnt relate to Christianity, but if that was the case, why is it religious groups being targeted in every single one of these cases by Christians (specificlly catholics)

Religious violence yes...as in..members of a religion committing violence...albeit not in the name of their religion..and please..bring up an example..? The IRA oh, the country is 88% catholic..the Crusades?..Christians helped shelter those persecuted when the crusades got out of hand and the Crusades were not backed by any Christian teaching now did the pope call for them..they Spanish Inquisition was perpetrated by monarchs who were not doing it in the name of God nor were they following Catholic teaching..Martin Luther?..He was sheltered by a Bishop...The Pogroms targeted Christians as well as Jews and Muslims were even the perpetrators in this case..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

They were atacked by Christians...If Christians were tollerent towards others why did they attack other religious groups?

Dont pretend like you know anything about Martin Luther....Dont act like the Protestant Reformation happened and Protenstants became well intergrated in European society...

cobrax25

not backed according to you...the reality is that they are all still christians, and here you were saying Christians never promote violence. Especially towards other faiths....

You know nothing on this subject, you didnt even know what a Pogrom was.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Well the Holocaust can be attributed to Christianity.

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Communist_Soul

Yes he even had the Catholic Church and Pope on his side. Hitler was a Christian he did believe he was fighting for God as did much of the populous at the time.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Xx_Hopeless_xX

What Nobles? where are you even getting this. They atacked jews, not nobles.

I have given you so many examples of Religious violence in Europe...I dont know how anybody can not see it. You can keep making the argument that it doesnt relate to Christianity, but if that was the case, why is it religious groups being targeted in every single one of these cases by Christians (specificlly catholics)

Religious violence yes...as in..members of a religion committing violence...albeit not in the name of their religion..and please..bring up an example..? The IRA oh, the country is 88% catholic..the Crusades?..Christians helped shelter those persecuted when the crusades got out of hand and the Crusades were not backed by any Christian teaching now did the pope call for them..they Spanish Inquisition was perpetrated by monarchs who were not doing it in the name of God nor were they following Catholic teaching..Martin Luther?..He was sheltered by a Bishop...The Pogroms targeted Christians as well as Jews and Muslims were even the perpetrators in this case..

ROFL....what the hell are you talking about. This entire Discussion has been about Pogroms in eastern Europe. Do you not know what does are either? here, if you need to read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

of course stuff like this was in the name of their religion, why do you think these atacks happened in the first place...why was it that Jews, and Later Protestants were singled out?

The point is that any ancient text is prone to mis-interpritation (you and others were all arguing about individual quotes, proving this) which is exacly why all religion leads to such violence in the first place.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] So where again is he supported by the Views of Christianity?..And Hitler was using the Christian name as a way to gain support amongst the German populous..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes he even had the Catholic Church and Pope on his side. Hitler was a Christian he did believe he was fighting for God as did much of the populous at the time.

So wait a minute? Al-quida speaks for all muslims but Nazi's dont for christians.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

What Nobles? where are you even getting this. They atacked jews, not nobles.

I have given you so many examples of Religious violence in Europe...I dont know how anybody can not see it. You can keep making the argument that it doesnt relate to Christianity, but if that was the case, why is it religious groups being targeted in every single one of these cases by Christians (specificlly catholics)

cobrax25

Religious violence yes...as in..members of a religion committing violence...albeit not in the name of their religion..and please..bring up an example..? The IRA oh, the country is 88% catholic..the Crusades?..Christians helped shelter those persecuted when the crusades got out of hand and the Crusades were not backed by any Christian teaching now did the pope call for them..they Spanish Inquisition was perpetrated by monarchs who were not doing it in the name of God nor were they following Catholic teaching..Martin Luther?..He was sheltered by a Bishop...The Pogroms targeted Christians as well as Jews and Muslims were even the perpetrators in this case..

ROFL....what the hell are you talking about. This entire Discussion has been about Pogroms in eastern Europe. Do you not know what does are either? here, if you need to read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_EmpireOh the Russian Empire?..And how exactly was i supposed to ascertain hat you were questioning the pogroms when you did not even imply such a thing?..And i have read up on the Pogroms...i even posted quotes from that article...get off the subject of the Jews..i agree they have suffered persecution but not in the name of God..

of course stuff like this was in the name of their religion, why do you think these atacks happened in the first place...why was it that Jews, and Later Protestants were singled out? So now you presume to know their intent?..They did not state such in any sources i have read therefore it is impossible to ascertain their motives..just because they're of a given group does not mean that they are acting in the name of that group...Protestants perpetrated the violence first..as i stated earlier...to which a war then ensued..and are you again going back to the pogroms?...In which they were not targeted specifically by Christians..rather both Christians and Jews were targeted by Muslims even in one or more instances...?

The point is that any ancient text is prone to mis-interpritation (you and others were all arguing about individual quotes, proving this) which is exacly why all religion leads to such violence in the first place. The quotes from the Bible were..i will say again...they were debunked as not promoting violence..whereas the Quran quotes have yet to be debunked..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Yes he even had the Catholic Church and Pope on his side. Hitler was a Christian he did believe he was fighting for God as did much of the populous at the time.

cobrax25

So wait a minute? Al-quida speaks for all muslims but Nazi's dont for christians.

its the person not the religion

spliffstar12

Why is that when something good happens, its the religion that is elevated, but when something bad happens, its the person nor the religion?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] "Jewish historian Saul Friedländer defended Pius XII against accusations that he was "Hitler's Pope." Friedländer recalled that Pope Pacelli's aversion to Nazism was made known by his collaboration in the writing of Pius XI's encyclical, "Mit brennender Sorge. In the interview with Le Point, which was covered by L'Osservatore Romano (LOR), the Jewish historian referred to the silent work of Pius XII. While some say he did little to protest the deportation of Jews and the Holocaust, written records and witnesses tell another story. They testify to his actions in defense of the Jews. Accounts of his intervention to save 4,000 Jews from a ghetto in Rome and place them in convents and Catholic schools refute claims of his passiveness. "Xx_Hopeless_xX

So wait a minute? Al-quida speaks for all muslims but Nazi's dont for christians.

You are fighting a losing battle.

When something bad happens, its the person, not islam. this is always the case with muslims. they never ever question islam. not once.

gotta love the Daily Show and how some nerdsn here keep arguing for the last word

So . . . burning a United States flag is okay . . . . .

dunking a cross in a jar of urine is okay . . . . .

. throwing feces on a picture of Jesus is okay . . . .

South Park making vulgar sexual comments about Christ is okay . . . . .

but if someone burns a quran . . the government, the media, the military, and all the liberals get upset and say it shouldn't be done . . . . . . ??? , , , ,

We are not an Islamic theocracy yet - but we are well on our way.

So . . . burning a United States flag is okay . . . . .

dunking a cross in a jar of urine is okay . . . . .

. throwing feces on a picture of Jesus is okay . . . .

South Park making vulgar sexual comments about Christ is okay . . . . .

but if someone burns a quran . . the government, the media, the military, and all the liberals get upset and say it shouldn't be done . . . . . . ??? , , , ,

We are not an Islamic theocracy yet - but we are well on our way.

Born_Lucky

Islamaphobia is a term coined moslty by the left as a label on those that have vaild criticisms of Islam and dislike it for its teachings, many of whihc are outdated and brutal.

..also, does it say in the Bible to kill those who aren't Christian?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+17&version=NIV

What do I win?

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"]

its the person not the religion

doom3lv

Why is that when something good happens, its the religion that is elevated, but when something bad happens, its the person nor the religion?