The Daily Show Vs. Islamaphobia

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?

cobrax25

You keep saying that, but the reality of it is all the same, its Christians targeting non-christians for being non-christistians. Im not reffering to the Protestant Reformation, im reffering to what happened after, when entire wars were fought agaist protestants.

Pogroms were widespread violence towards jews in Eastern Europe (jews were pretty much kicked out of everywhere else).

Where did i try to come off as an expert again :lol:..?Xx_Hopeless_xX

When you say you have read some passages and you feel you understand what the religion is about.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

heysharpshooter

It was there Holy Land too... and Christians did not allow them to pray there... what choice did they have?

And explain pre-Inquisition Spain... controlled by Muslims, they alllowed all religions to worship there... until a couple of Christian rulers decided to torture and murder millions.

Sorry if my history is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

When you say you have read some passages and you feel you understand what the religion is about.

gaming25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I still have yet to see documented support for this "mass murder"..the fact is, the teachings of Christianity revolve around peace..nowhere is violence promoted..whereas in the Quran there are SEVERAL sections that promote undiscriminated violence towards non believers..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?

you lost when you started pulling quotes from Wikipedia. The Word "Pogrom" reffers to any mob violence agaist an group. But the word came from anti-jewish violence in eastern Europe, where it occured on a regular basis.

Your point on Protestants doesnt even make sense, the war was started by the Catholics, its not exacly a big secret. (Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant faith was persecuted by the Catholic Church.)

Your Monarchy claim doesnt hold much ground either, the monarchy was all christians.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Reading the proceeding passages gives MORE THEN ENOUGH context...do you read the lines before a the sentence you are quoting in regards to statements made by political members and so forth?..Or do you just believe you don't have an understanding of anything he is talking about and forget it entirely because you feel that reading what he has to say does not give you enough of an idea?.. Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Spanish Inquisition was based on the Monarchy, Are you referring to the Protestant Reformation? And what are "Theprogroms"? Snipes_2

You keep saying that, but the reality of it is all the same, its Christians targeting non-christians for being non-christistians. Im not reffering to the Protestant Reformation, im reffering to what happened after, when entire wars were fought agaist protestants.

Pogroms were widespread violence towards jews in Eastern Europe (jews were pretty much kicked out of everywhere else).

The Monarchy was all Chrisitians....

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Really? your going to deny thepogroms in eastern Europe? The Spanish Inquisition? The massive war agaist the Protestant Faith?

cobrax25

you lost when you started pulling quotes from Wikipedia. The Word "Pogrom" reffers to any mob violence agaist an group. But the word came from anti-jewish violence in eastern Europe, where it occured on a regular basis.

Your point on Protestants doesnt even make sense, the war was started by the Catholics, its not exacly a big secret. (Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant faith was persecuted by the Catholic Church.)

Your Monarchy claim doesnt hold much ground either, the monarchy was all christians.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]Give the passage again, I want to see what it says.gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

You can go and read back in the thread..im not re-posting it for you.. Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Actually that's false..the head of the religion..i.e the pope did not in any way call for the crusades..in fact, when they got out of hand bishops and Christians hid those being persecuted from the Crusaders..in addition to the fact that they Muslims took land viewed by Christians as Holy...so they were the aggressors..the first Crusade was an attempt to take back the lands originally taken by the Muslims..October_Tide

It was there Holy Land too... and Christians did not allow them to pray there... what choice did they have?

And explain pre-Inquisition Spain... controlled by Muslims, they alllowed all religions to worship there... until a couple of Christian rulers decided to torture and murder millions.

Sorry if my history is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="gaming25"] I couldnt find what you said.gaming25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Oh you mean the wars conducted by the monarchy?..You do realize that protestants are a christian denomination right?..Regardless..that war was waged by both sides..neither of which could be called the aggressor definitively as both instigated and so on..and you mean..the pogroms that were not exclusively waged by Christians?.. "The 11th century, however, saw several Muslim pogroms against Jews; those that occurred in Cordoba in 1011 and in Granada in 1066. In the 1066 Granada massacre, a Muslim mob crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred about 4,000 Jews In 1033 about 6,000 Jews were killed in Fez, Morocco by Muslim mobs.Mobs in Fez murdered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, in 1465." Also, not exclusive to Jews.."Jews, Poles, and Catholics were massacred during the Khmelnytsky Uprising of Ukrainian Cossacks in retaliation for Polish colonialism in 1648–1654 and during the Koliyivshchyna in 1768-1769."

Xx_Hopeless_xX

you lost when you started pulling quotes from Wikipedia. The Word "Pogrom" reffers to any mob violence agaist an group. But the word came from anti-jewish violence in eastern Europe, where it occured on a regular basis.

Your point on Protestants doesnt even make sense, the war was started by the Catholics, its not exacly a big secret. (Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant faith was persecuted by the Catholic Church.)

Your Monarchy claim doesnt hold much ground either, the monarchy was all christians.

Funny since Martin Luther was excommunicated by the catholic church.

Also, look up the "edict of Worms"

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

It was there Holy Land too... and Christians did not allow them to pray there... what choice did they have?

And explain pre-Inquisition Spain... controlled by Muslims, they alllowed all religions to worship there... until a couple of Christian rulers decided to torture and murder millions.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Sorry if my history is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.

beats being kicked out of everywhere like the jews in Europe.

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]:lol: so the only thing you can say is "i doubt you have understanding of the religion therefore your claims are false"?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Ok... that's it... Now i'm talking..

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.

[9:7] How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from GOD and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:8] How can they (demand a pledge) when they never observed any rights of kinship between you and them, nor any covenant, if they ever had a chance to prevail. They pacified you with lip service, while their hearts were in opposition, and most of them are wicked.

[9:9] They traded away GOD's revelations for a cheap price. Consequently, they repulsed the people from His path. Miserable indeed is what they did!

[9:10] They never observe any rights of kinship towards any believer, nor do they uphold their covenants; these are the real transgressors.

The Surah is called " The Repentance", it is also the only one that does not start with "God the most merciful and most benevolent" As I, and my family, and dozens of other Muslims i've argued politics with, we've agreed that this is time bound not metaphysical.

terrorists, extremists, mullah's and religious dictators who seek power, elevate these verses to be a metaphyiscal fight against non-believers.

For instance the very verse you mentioned starts in the beginning by saying "Once the Sacred Months have Past" Now do the Jews? do the Christians? have sacred months? no i don't think so, and i believe Muhammad barely knew or knew nothing about Hinduasim or Buddhism.

It's talking about the Pagans who were persecuting Muslims. in fact for three years Muhammad and his believers were being starved out (his first Khadijah - of whom HE WORKED FOR! would die from it) and ostracized while they living in Mecca. he sent Muslims off to Christian kingdom of Ethiopia who offered safe them safe asylum from the Pagans. he sent them off to Yathrib (later to be renamed Medina).

The pagans broke their agreement and the Muslims rose up to fight them. to pretend or act that the extremists and fundamentalists got it right and any liberal or moderate are wrong is dishonest. especially when out of the 1.3-1.5 billion Muslims on the planet, and the extremists are not only targeting Christians, and Jews. but also Muslims who disagree with them.

A classic example would be Anwar Sadat of Egypt who made peace with Israel, would later be gunned down by the Muslim Brotherhood.

or The Al-Qaeda suicide bomber who recently tried killing Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef (head of the Counter-Terrorism) of Saudi Arabia.

I sometimes wonder how many people actually talk to muslims, or how many people have actually had people look down on you for your beliefs.

I'll start off saying I'm a christian, and in high school, we read a play. This was a good play about a court case between evolution and creationism being taught in school. It portrayed christians rather negatively (fat loud mouthed, a bit irrational, I believe the lawyer for creationism died of a heart attack) in the book but the meaning in the end was good. They the two ideologies could work together (anyone know this play?) Anyways the way this book portrayed christians brought up a lot of hatred and discontent from other students. I would walk around the halls at my school and here these remarks about christians from my class mates. yeah it doesn't feel good, people would use strong language when they found out I was christian, and it went from there. Slowly this stopped but it has left a lasting impact on me. I was not one of those people in the book, I was a quiet well mannered student who didn't interfere, yet I was clumped up with people who's views I didn't even share. Why? Why are we judging entire groups because of a few. its sickening to hear this. Lets get off of our moral high horse, and lets talk to people who practice islam. I know I have, they are against radical islam and want to have a peaceful life. So why so much hate? I would hate it if everyone lumped me with Westboro, so why are we doing it to them?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

you lost when you started pulling quotes from Wikipedia. The Word "Pogrom" reffers to any mob violence agaist an group. But the word came from anti-jewish violence in eastern Europe, where it occured on a regular basis.

Your point on Protestants doesnt even make sense, the war was started by the Catholics, its not exacly a big secret. (Martin Luther, the founder of the Protestant faith was persecuted by the Catholic Church.)

Your Monarchy claim doesnt hold much ground either, the monarchy was all christians.

cobrax25

Funny since Martin Luther was excommunicated by the catholic church.

Also, look up the "edict of Worms"

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] All you can say is you read the preceding text, that still doesn't mean you posses the full understanding of what it implies. Some people devote their lives to truly understanding the bible. SaudiFury

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] All you can say is you read the preceding text, that still doesn't mean you posses the full understanding of what it implies. Some people devote their lives to truly understanding the bible. SaudiFury

Ok... that's it... Now i'm talking..

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. Until the expiration date..yeah that's real righteous...

[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. That's sounds like they want to be peaceful doesn't it...

[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know. ONLY if he seeks safe passage with them..if not then he will be killed correct?..

[9:7] How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from GOD and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:8] How can they (demand a pledge) when they never observed any rights of kinship between you and them, nor any covenant, if they ever had a chance to prevail. They pacified you with lip service, while their hearts were in opposition, and most of them are wicked.

[9:9] They traded away GOD's revelations for a cheap price. Consequently, they repulsed the people from His path. Miserable indeed is what they did!

[9:10] They never observe any rights of kinship towards any believer, nor do they uphold their covenants; these are the real transgressors. Yeah, that's not anything calling those who don't share kinship with believers evil..

The Surah is called " The Repentance", it is also the only one that does not start with "God the most merciful and most benevolent" As I, and my family, and dozens of other Muslims i've argued politics with, we've agreed that this is time bound not metaphysical.

Ok, so thank you for showing that it was not taken out of context..in fact..you just added to my argument...

terrorists, extremists, mullah's and religious dictators who seek power, elevate these verses to be a metaphyiscal fight against non-believers.

For instance the very verse you mentioned starts in the beginning by saying "Once the Sacred Months have Past" Now do the Jews? do the Christians? have sacred months? no i don't think so, and i believe Muhammad barely knew or knew nothing about Hinduasim or Buddhism. What the hell does that have to do with killing them after the Holy Months of Muslims have passed?..

It's talking about the Pagans who were persecuting Muslims. in fact for three years Muhammad and his believers were being starved out (his first Khadijah - of whom HE WORKED FOR! would die from it) and ostracized while they living in Mecca. he sent Muslims off to Christian kingdom of Ethiopia who offered safe them safe asylum from the Pagans. he sent them off to Yathrib (later to be renamed Medina). How do you know it's talking of such?..There's no mention of such a thing..nor do you refute any of the other quotes i put forth..

The pagans broke their agreement and the Muslims rose up to fight them. to pretend or act that the extremists and fundamentalists got it right and any liberal or moderate are wrong is dishonest. especially when out of the 1.3-1.5 billion Muslims on the planet, and the extremists are not only targeting Christians, and Jews. but also Muslims who disagree with them. Oh, the pagans broke their agreement how?..And i never stated that the extremists were targeting a specific group..

A ****c example would be Anwar Sadat of Egypt who made peace with Israel, would later be gunned down by the Muslim Brotherhood. I never stated that alll Muslims were evil..again you go back to using people as examples..

or The Al-Qaeda suicide bomber who recently tried killing Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef (head of the Counter-Terrorism) of Saudi Arabia. And again..

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] :lol: "You lost"..what are we in 5th grade here?.. And martin Luther WAS NOT persecuted by the Catholic church..have you ever take a history course?..HE was following the philosophical system of solving problems in regards to religion at the time nad he came across some proofs in the bible he culd not prove using the methods of the time... hence he posted his "99 theses" or whatever number there were on church doors and so forth in the form of pamphlets..this would not have been possible had the invention of the printing press not come about a few years before..the theses were then blown out of proportion and hence the protestant reformation is born.. But did they do it in the name of Chrsitianity..? No they didn't..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Funny since Martin Luther was excommunicated by the catholic church.

Also, look up the "edict of Worms"

the "edict of worms" was bassiclly a death sentence for Luther, it allowed anyone who killed him to go unpunished....both by god and by the authorities. The fact that he escaped was out of extreame chance.

and again, their is widespread proof of persecution of non-catholics in Europe...Its absolutly idodic to deny it. Jews have been litterally kicked out of almost every European country at one point or another in history.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] It gives the reader more then enough of the general idea to understand what the text is implying...you don't have to read all of Surah to understand what Surah 9:5 is stating..you don't have to read all of any of the other sections either to understand in what context they are being stated as it is QUITE explicitly laid out..gaming25

also, Following the Protestant reformation were what is now known as the "wars of religion" in Europe.

Its far to long and complex to explain it all now: but wikipedia has a really good and sourced entry on it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Funny since Martin Luther was excommunicated by the catholic church.

Also, look up the "edict of Worms"

cobrax25

the "edict of worms" was bassiclly a death sentence for Luther, it allowed anyone who killed him to go unpunished....both by god and by the authorities. The fact that he escaped was out of extreame chance.

and again, their is widespread proof of persecution of non-catholics in Europe...Its absolutly idodic to deny it. Jews have been litterally kicked out of almost every European country at one point or another in history.

also, Following the Protestant reformation were what is now known as the "wars of religion" in Europe.

Its far to long and complex to explain it all now: but wikipedia has a really good and sourced entry on it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

cobrax25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

also, Following the Protestant reformation were what is now known as the "wars of religion" in Europe.

Its far to long and complex to explain it all now: but wikipedia has a really good and sourced entry on it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

Xx_Hopeless_xX

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

This thread has gone from teh funnies, to teh religion debate to...

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"] Ok... that's it... ****er... Now i'm talking.. [9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. [9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. [9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know. [9:7] How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from GOD and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. GOD loves the righteous. [9:8] How can they (demand a pledge) when they never observed any rights of kinship between you and them, nor any covenant, if they ever had a chance to prevail. They pacified you with lip service, while their hearts were in opposition, and most of them are wicked. [9:9] They traded away GOD's revelations for a cheap price. Consequently, they repulsed the people from His path. Miserable indeed is what they did! [9:10] They never observe any rights of kinship towards any believer, nor do they uphold their covenants; these are the real transgressors. The Surah is called " The Repentance", it is also the only one that does not start with "God the most merciful and most benevolent" As I, and my family, and dozens of other Muslims i've argued politics with, we've agreed that this is time bound not metaphysical. terrorists, extremists, mullah's and religious dictators who seek power, elevate these verses to be a metaphyiscal fight against non-believers. For instance the very verse you mentioned starts in the beginning by saying "Once the Sacred Months have Past" Now do the Jews? do the Christians? have sacred months? no i don't think so, and i believe Muhammad barely knew or knew nothing about Hinduasim or Buddhism. It's talking about the Pagans who were persecuting Muslims. in fact for three years Muhammad and his believers were being starved out (his first Khadijah - of whom HE WORKED FOR! would die from it) and ostracized while they living in Mecca. he sent Muslims off to Christian kingdom of Ethiopia who offered safe them safe asylum from the Pagans. he sent them off to Yathrib (later to be renamed Medina). The pagans broke their agreement and the Muslims rose up to fight them. to pretend or act that the extremists and fundamentalists got it right and any liberal or moderate are wrong is dishonest. especially when out of the 1.3-1.5 billion Muslims on the planet, and the extremists are not only targeting Christians, and Jews. but also Muslims who disagree with them. A classic example would be Anwar Sadat of Egypt who made peace with Israel, would later be gunned down by the Muslim Brotherhood. or The Al-Qaeda suicide bomber who recently tried killing Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef (head of the Counter-Terrorism) of Saudi Arabia.Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

also, Following the Protestant reformation were what is now known as the "wars of religion" in Europe.

Its far to long and complex to explain it all now: but wikipedia has a really good and sourced entry on it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

cobrax25

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

also: See Edict of Expulsion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

comes included with this nifty chart showing everywhere the jews have been kicked out of in Europe.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="gaming25"] xXHopless did take it out of context after all. Owned.gaming25

also: See Edict of Expulsion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

comes included with this nifty chart showing everywhere the jews have been kicked out of in Europe.

cobrax25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Xx_Hopeless_xX replied and did not i nfact take it out of context..and "owned" like..what the hell?..Are we stooping to elementary grade replies now?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="gaming25"] You failed to talk about the treaty and peace agreement. Nevermind the fact they couldve been talking about a specific people at that time with the word "the idol worshippers".gaming25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] About halfway down..."The first large-scale violence was engendered by the more radical of Luther's followers, who wished to extend wholesale reform of the Church to a similar wholesale reform of society in genera"Xx_Hopeless_xX

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

Oh, so its okay that Christians atack a sub-group of Christianity?

Why should any of this be limited to modern times? The Bible is very old. 400 years ago it was the Europeans that were in turmoil while the middle east enjoyed a time of relative peace?

Also, look up the IRA. They were a very well known Catholic Terrorist group from the 70's who were at war with the British for 20 years.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="gaming25"] You failed to talk about the treaty and peace agreement. Nevermind the fact they couldve been talking about a specific people at that time with the word "the idol worshippers".gaming25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

also: See Edict of Expulsion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

comes included with this nifty chart showing everywhere the jews have been kicked out of in Europe.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

lol...not done in the name of Christianity...who do you think it was that was kicking them out?

you know what my favorite part about you is...that for you Al-Quida is enough to judge the entire muslim faith, but somehow what plenty of Christian kings and rulers have done towards other faiths is completly irrelevent.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

cobrax25

Oh, so its okay that Christians atack a sub-group of Christianity?

Why should any of this be limited to modern times? The Bible is very old. 400 years ago it was the Europeans that were in turmoil while the middle east enjoyed a time of relative peace?

Also, look up the IRA. They were a very well known Catholic Terrorist group from the 70's who were at war with the British for 20 years.

Because within the context of older periods people were far less "peaceful" if you will...so, by showing me an example comparable to the attack on 9/11 or any other attack within the past decade in times where people are more educated and less hostile in general you may form an effective argument..

Seeing as Ireland is largely Christian you'd be hard pressed to find a group that is not made up of Christians..and they are not killing in the name of God..they are killing to change their government.".The country is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic. According to official government statistics based on the 2006 census, the religious affiliation of the population is 86.8 percent Catholic (3,681,446), 2.9 percent Church of Ireland (125,585)" So that's basically a moot point..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

also: See Edict of Expulsion:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

comes included with this nifty chart showing everywhere the jews have been kicked out of in Europe.

cobrax25

lol...not done in the name of Christianity...who do you think it was that was kicking them out?

you know what my favorite part about you is...that for you Al-Quida is enough to judge the entire muslim faith, but somehow what plenty of Christian kings and rulers have done towards other faiths is completly irrelevent.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Are they not still perpetrating violence against them?..Oh and the peace treaty that...once it expires..they can be set upon?..That peace treaty?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Are they not still perpetrating violence against them?..Oh and the peace treaty that...once it expires..they can be set upon?..That peace treaty?..SaudiFury

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="gaming25"] "and they refuse to make peace" did you forget about that?gaming25

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Protestants are a sub group of Christianity...so i don't understand what you're trying to point out..and what?..Have radical Christians ever done anything like..say...blowing up thousands of innocents and making numerous threats and attempts within MODERN times..the only remotely comparable thing that you can attribute to Christianity as a whole is the Crusades..and even then..if looked at within context of the times..Crusades were fairly common..and even then..Christians protected the persecuted from danger...And within ONE decade i have not seen any christian attempt to, plan to or act upon any plot to harm innocents in the name of their God..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Oh, so its okay that Christians atack a sub-group of Christianity?

Why should any of this be limited to modern times? The Bible is very old. 400 years ago it was the Europeans that were in turmoil while the middle east enjoyed a time of relative peace?

Also, look up the IRA. They were a very well known Catholic Terrorist group from the 70's who were at war with the British for 20 years.

Because within the context of older periods people were far less "peaceful" if you will...so, by showing me an example comparable to the attack on 9/11 or any other attack within the past decade in times where people are more educated and less hostile in general you may form an effective argument..

Seeing as Ireland is largely Christian you'd be hard pressed to find a group that is not made up of Christians..and they are not killing in the name of God..they are killing to change their government.".The country is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic. According to official government statistics based on the 2006 census, the religious affiliation of the population is 86.8 percent Catholic (3,681,446), 2.9 percent Church of Ireland (125,585)" So that's basically a moot point..

They did, I have shown you many examples of Jews in Europe being targeted. And I though Christians were so tollerent agaist other faiths? Why is it that people in Europe stopped believing in the Catholic Church and were instantly atacked by them.

Also, I absolutly love how older periods dont matter because people were less "peacefull" and yet you are quoting from a book written 2000 years ago. As though people were more peacefull and educated then.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What are you talking about?...Are you saying it's ok for them to kill those who do not make peace explicitly with them?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] About halfway down..."The first large-scale violence was engendered by the more radical of Luther's followers, who wished to extend wholesale reform of the Church to a similar wholesale reform of society in genera"Xx_Hopeless_xX

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

Well the Holocaust can be attributed to Christianity.

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

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Oh, so its okay that Christians atack a sub-group of Christianity?

Why should any of this be limited to modern times? The Bible is very old. 400 years ago it was the Europeans that were in turmoil while the middle east enjoyed a time of relative peace?

Also, look up the IRA. They were a very well known Catholic Terrorist group from the 70's who were at war with the British for 20 years.

cobrax25

Because within the context of older periods people were far less "peaceful" if you will...so, by showing me an example comparable to the attack on 9/11 or any other attack within the past decade in times where people are more educated and less hostile in general you may form an effective argument..

Seeing as Ireland is largely Christian you'd be hard pressed to find a group that is not made up of Christians..and they are not killing in the name of God..they are killing to change their government.".The country is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic. According to official government statistics based on the 2006 census, the religious affiliation of the population is 86.8 percent Catholic (3,681,446), 2.9 percent Church of Ireland (125,585)" So that's basically a moot point..

They did, I have shown you many examples of Jews in Europe being targeted. And I though Christians were so tollerent agaist other faiths? Why is it that people in Europe stopped believing in the Catholic Church and were instantly atacked by them.

Also, I absolutly love how older periods dont matter because people were less "peacefull" and yet you are quoting from a book written 2000 years ago. As though people were more peacefull and educated then.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What is with you and the Jews being kicked out of Europe?..It was not done in the name of Christianity so it is irrelevant to this discussion..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

lol...not done in the name of Christianity...who do you think it was that was kicking them out?

you know what my favorite part about you is...that for you Al-Quida is enough to judge the entire muslim faith, but somehow what plenty of Christian kings and rulers have done towards other faiths is completly irrelevent.

:lol::lol::lol:

They targeted Jews, of course it was a matter of religion....It would be one thing if they targeted farmers, or bankers, or even a social group....but they targeted a religion, why do you think that was so?

You are telling me I have no proof? I have 1000 years of history on my side...what do you have?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

oh...you mean like Radical Muslims? Whats that...Christianity has radicals to?

also: see 30 years war:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

Communist_Soul

Well the Holocaust can be attributed to Christianity.

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

lol...not done in the name of Christianity...who do you think it was that was kicking them out?

you know what my favorite part about you is...that for you Al-Quida is enough to judge the entire muslim faith, but somehow what plenty of Christian kings and rulers have done towards other faiths is completly irrelevent.

cobrax25

:lol::lol::lol:

They targeted Jews, of course it was a matter of religion....It would be one thing if they targeted farmers, or bankers, or even a social group....but they targeted a religion, why do you think that was so?

You are telling me I have no proof? I have 1000 years of history on my side...what do you have?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] What the hell?...Were you not trying to claim Christians targeted other religious groups?..Warring amongst Chrsitians even then is STILL not killing in the name of God..

Because within the context of older periods people were far less "peaceful" if you will...so, by showing me an example comparable to the attack on 9/11 or any other attack within the past decade in times where people are more educated and less hostile in general you may form an effective argument..

Seeing as Ireland is largely Christian you'd be hard pressed to find a group that is not made up of Christians..and they are not killing in the name of God..they are killing to change their government.".The country is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic. According to official government statistics based on the 2006 census, the religious affiliation of the population is 86.8 percent Catholic (3,681,446), 2.9 percent Church of Ireland (125,585)" So that's basically a moot point..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

They did, I have shown you many examples of Jews in Europe being targeted. And I though Christians were so tollerent agaist other faiths? Why is it that people in Europe stopped believing in the Catholic Church and were instantly atacked by them.

Also, I absolutly love how older periods dont matter because people were less "peacefull" and yet you are quoting from a book written 2000 years ago. As though people were more peacefull and educated then.

Every one else (Christians). Do you even know what a revolt is? How can you revolt agaist a minority population.

Your coming across as a massive hypocrite, you cant quote the bible and then pretend like the 2000 years of christian history doesnt matter.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Am i judging the Faith?..No, i am questioning it's teachings and ideology.. And you have yet to provide proof that it was done in the name of God..rather then done by rulers...and i love how you deign it necessary to judge me rather then focusing on the pantheon of evidence supporting my argument..Xx_Hopeless_xX

:lol::lol::lol:

They targeted Jews, of course it was a matter of religion....It would be one thing if they targeted farmers, or bankers, or even a social group....but they targeted a religion, why do you think that was so?

You are telling me I have no proof? I have 1000 years of history on my side...what do you have?

They were atacked by Christians...If Christians were tollerent towards others why did they attack other religious groups?

Dont pretend like you know anything about Martin Luther....Dont act like the Protestant Reformation happened and Protenstants became well intergrated in European society...