The Evils of Religion

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Yeah, to dispel the notion that religion is responsible for most of histories wars.You know its not going to stop people from saying it.So why bring up such an irrelevant point if your already secure within your belief?

Dracargen

Because, maybe, people won't keep saying it. Why do people argue at all if they're secure with their positions? So that their opponent can learn more about his position.

In one form or another, you and i both know that people will continue blame war on religion.They will either ignore your point or try to cut corners.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]If my objective was to prove or otherwise validate the existence of God, don't you think I would only focus on Christianity? All the wars I posted are of different religions; some Christian, some Islamic, some of everything. xxDustmanxx

You may be defending the universal idea of a god.Surely you dont believe that yours is the only true religion, because that my friend, would be very narrow-minded.

If all gods existed, then that would contradict my own pretty badly.:|

I'm not defending the existence of God. . .pure and simple. You have misinterpreted my position, and have for some reason gotten angry about the position you thought I took. I told you why I made this topic, and I know more about why I made this topic than you, so I'm not going to discuss this further.

Okay, Arab_2008, in the Cursades it was Christians vs. Muslims. Which side was the non-religious? ;)Zagrius

The Christians. . .but I'm not going any further. >_____________>

[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]No its not, because if you look at this "harm" done by religion, in nearly 100% of cases, it is non-religious people trying to destroy the religious group's belief. It still happens to this very day, and in fact, the disassociation of government from religion in the west is truly a sign of this immorality that is lying aheadMattUD1

I don't think he cares :P

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Yeah, to dispel the notion that religion is responsible for most of histories wars.You know its not going to stop people from saying it.So why bring up such an irrelevant point if your already secure within your belief?

xxDustmanxx

Because, maybe, people won't keep saying it. Why do people argue at all if they're secure with their positions? So that their opponent can learn more about his position.

In one form or another, you and i both know that people will continue blame war on religion.They will either ignore your point or try to cut corners.

I'm not out to change the world, Dustman, just a few people in it.;)

big WTF moment when i saw that title next to that name on the OT forum page.

but yeah, even then, most of those wars have had some other motives.

End to religion would not be an end to war, but it would be one less excuse.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Arab_2008"]

In fact, I believe the cause of problems for humanity is AMERICA!

Just the other day, they said China's increase in military budget will cause world "instability" when they themselves account for nearly 100% of all modern wars, the largest military spending BY FAR, AND the only use of nuclear weapons in the history of humanity!

Zagrius

Then how would you explain the suffering of humanity that came before the year 1776?

Top secret American time machines.

Personally, I'd be embarassed if my religion was the cause of just one war. :?JustPlainLucas

I never said it isn't embarrassing, but are you embarrassed of money? Of land?

No its not, because if you look at this "harm" done by religion, in nearly 100% of cases, it is non-religious people trying to destroy the religious group's belief. It still happens to this very day, and in fact, the disassociation of government from religion in the west is truly a sign of this immorality that is lying aheadArab_2008

False, again. Very few wars were caused by people who wanted to destroy faiths. Most of these religious wars were usually political in nature, since their politics were religious in nature.

And seperation of Church and State isn't immoral. It makes sure religion holds no sway over government.

Besides, there is only one actual secular nation in the Middle East (assuming that is the region you are complaining about).

[QUOTE="Zagrius"]Okay, Arab_2008, in the Cursades it was Christians vs. Muslims. Which side was the non-religious? ;)Dracargen

The Christians. . .but I'm not going any further. >_____________>

But those doing the fighting thought they were doing God's will, that's still religious. But of course, you won't go any further.

Wait a second! That was not the case at all!!! it was a case of power hungry leaders who mislead people, just like the US today. Religion had nothing to do with it! it was just brought in name, nothing more!Arab_2008

I would definitely argue this in some cases, but do you honestly think that that argument can account for every religious conflict in history?

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Personally, I'd be embarassed if my religion was the cause of just one war. :?Dracargen

I never said it isn't embarrassing, but are you embarrassed of money? Of land?

Well, those are real reasons to fight over. Religious wars are nothing but squabbles over whose God is more real.

It makes sense that you guys can't read because I clearly wrote MODERN wars!!!Arab_2008

Is America the cause of the wars going on in Ireland?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]If my objective was to prove or otherwise validate the existence of God, don't you think I would only focus on Christianity? All the wars I posted are of different religions; some Christian, some Islamic, some of everything. Dracargen

You may be defending the universal idea of a god.Surely you dont believe that yours is the only true religion, because that my friend, would be very narrow-minded.

If all gods existed, then that would contradict my own pretty badly.:|

I'm not defending the existence of God. . .pure and simple. You have misinterpreted my position, and have for some reason gotten angry about the position you thought I took. I told you why I made this topic, and I know more about why I made this topic than you, so I'm not going to discuss this further.

Im not angry at all, just bored and tired.But your right, this issue is better off not discussed.I still dont understand why you bring this up if the basis of your point is not to validate your gods existence.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Personally, I'd be embarassed if my religion was the cause of just one war. :?JustPlainLucas

I never said it isn't embarrassing, but are you embarrassed of money? Of land?

Well, those are real reasons to fight over. Religious wars are nothing but squabbles over whose God is more real.

If God is real, wouldn't that be a good reason to fight?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Zagrius"]Okay, Arab_2008, in the Cursades it was Christians vs. Muslims. Which side was the non-religious? ;)Zagrius

The Christians. . .but I'm not going any further. >_____________>

But those doing the fighting thought they were doing God's will, that's still religious. But of course, you won't go any further.

He believes that they werent "true" christians.

I love the way that the title of this topic is not at all what's in the original post. I also love the way there are 3 different arguements going on about things that the TC didn't write, imply, or otherwise include in his attempt to spread knowledge. Unfortunately, the same principles that the's telling the community about are springing forth to muddy the waters and destroy the beneficial elements of the discussion.

We like to fight. It's in our nature. If we weren't fighting, we'd be finding ways to be pissed off so we could fight! Religion may have been a contributing factor in a small amount of wars over documented history, but that was just the convenient excuse at the time. Thank you contributing posters to proving that we'll do anything to bring about conflict regardless of it's results.

WOW, I said MOST MODERN WARS, is that too hard to understand? NOT ALL, MOST!Arab_2008

[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]No its not, because if you look at this "harm" done by religion, in nearly 100% of cases, it is non-religious people trying to destroy the religious group's belief. It still happens to this very day, and in fact, the disassociation of government from religion in the west is truly a sign of this immorality that is lying aheadThe_Ish

False, again. Very few wars were caused by people who wanted to destroy faiths. Most of these religious wars were usually political in nature, since their politics were religious in nature.

And seperation of Church and State isn't immoral. It makes sure religion holds no sway over government.

Besides, there is only one actual secular nation in the Middle East (assuming that is the region you are complaining about).

Seperation of Church and State actually has Christian origins.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]No its not, because if you look at this "harm" done by religion, in nearly 100% of cases, it is non-religious people trying to destroy the religious group's belief. It still happens to this very day, and in fact, the disassociation of government from religion in the west is truly a sign of this immorality that is lying aheadDracargen

False, again. Very few wars were caused by people who wanted to destroy faiths. Most of these religious wars were usually political in nature, since their politics were religious in nature.

And seperation of Church and State isn't immoral. It makes sure religion holds no sway over government.

Besides, there is only one actual secular nation in the Middle East (assuming that is the region you are complaining about).

Seperation of Church and State actually has Christian origins.

Im not complaining about the middle east, but if you truly look at some of the wars and such, you will see that it is another case of the faithful being bullied by the more powerful non-faithful (Western governments, which we all agree have been seperated from religion, and are thereby aethiest)Arab_2008

Hm, i wouldnt call our government atheistic if thats what your getting at...

I love the way that the title of this topic is not at all what's in the original post. I also love the way there are 3 different arguements going on about things that the TC didn't write, imply, or otherwise include in his attempt to spread knowledge. Unfortunately, the same principles that the's telling the community about are springing forth to muddy the waters and destroy the beneficial elements of the discussion.

We like to fight. It's in our nature. If we weren't fighting, we'd be finding ways to be pissed off so we could fight! Religion may have been a contributing factor in a small amount of wars over documented history, but that was just the convenient excuse at the time. Thank you contributing posters to proving that we'll do anything to bring about conflict regardless of it's results.

effthat

I can't tell: Are you commending me or condemning me?

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Personally, I'd be embarassed if my religion was the cause of just one war. :?Dracargen

I never said it isn't embarrassing, but are you embarrassed of money? Of land?

Well, those are real reasons to fight over. Religious wars are nothing but squabbles over whose God is more real.

If God is real, wouldn't that be a good reason to fight?

A god who sends his followers to war is in need of questioning.

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A god who sends his followers to war is in need of questioning.

xxDustmanxx

That wasn't the point. But this is starting to go off-topic, and I would like to avoid that.

Anyways, I am gonna leave this where it is, I have a feeling some aethiest is gonna come here and start flaming. Good luckArab_2008

Im sure a couple of atheists have already posted, and no flaming has erupted.I wouldnt say the same for you.

Im sure a couple of atheists have already posted, and no flaming has erupted.I wouldnt say the same for you.xxDustmanxx

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Im sure a couple of atheists have already posted, and no flaming has erupted.I wouldnt say the same for you.foxhound_fox

Except for that one guy on the front page: "Religion is false! Nothing happenes after you die, stupids!"

WOW, I said MOST MODERN WARS, is that too hard to understand? NOT ALL, MOST!Arab_2008

You mean the war in Sudan?

Because other than that...what other wars?

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Personally, I'd be embarassed if my religion was the cause of just one war. :?Dracargen

I never said it isn't embarrassing, but are you embarrassed of money? Of land?

Well, those are real reasons to fight over. Religious wars are nothing but squabbles over whose God is more real.

If God is real, wouldn't that be a good reason to fight?

Hell no. :| What God wants people to kill each other to prove his existence?

I hate dogmatic self righteous religious nuts like the TC, the world would be a safer more harmonious place if religion dint exist.l34052

Dogmatic? Self-righteous? Nut?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and all of history disagrees with your hypothesis.

Except for that one guy on the front page: "Religion is false! Nothing happenes after you die, stupids!"Dracargen

What Arab_2008 didn't count on was that a Jewish Zionist would post here and manipulate everyone into disagreeing with him. Muahahahahaha. :twisted:Zagrius

Damn, I thought it was common sense.

[QUOTE="l34052"]I hate dogmatic self righteous religious nuts like the TC, the world would be a safer more harmonious place if religion dint exist.Dracargen

Dogmatic? Self-righteous? Nut?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and all of history disagrees with your hypothesis.

If there was no religion, take that total war number and times it by 5 and thats how many wars you would have...

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Except for that one guy on the front page: "Religion is false! Nothing happenes after you die, stupids!"foxhound_fox

So there is no way he believes that? He is either a confused teenager or sarcastic? WTF?

[QUOTE="Zagrius"]What Arab_2008 didn't count on was that a Jewish Zionist would post here and manipulate everyone into disagreeing with him. Muahahahahaha. :twisted:The_Ish

Damn, I thought it was common sense.

I'm just that good.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="l34052"]I hate dogmatic self righteous religious nuts like the TC, the world would be a safer more harmonious place if religion dint exist.battlefront23

Dogmatic? Self-righteous? Nut?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and all of history disagrees with your hypothesis.

if there was no religion, take that total war number and times it by 5 and thats how many ars you would have...

That makes no sense whatsoever. Could you elaborate?

Dracargen neevr said he was trying to prove the existence of God... learn to read...battlefront23

Im a fine reader.What you should do is try to read my posts thoroughly.