The Gamespot Gun Control Debate

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

My lazy attempt to argue. Japan exercises extreme control over gun rights while the US doesn't. Gun-related deaths, homocides, and suicides due to guns go down in Japan and up in the US. It's just simple logic.

curono

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I say we let kids have guns. That way they would have stopped this man before anything happened.

Also Hart is stupid. He believes in bigfoot and the 9/11 conspiracy. Why are you bothering with him?

MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I say we let kids have guns. That way they would have stopped this man before anything happened.

Also Hart is stupid. He believes in bigfoot and the 9/11 conspiracy. Why are you bothering with him?

MakeMeaSammitch

When you know even a little bit about the history of the US government and false flag events, it doesn't seem the least bit far fetched.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Cryptozoology is cool, brah. And it's not that hard to have doubts about the "official" 9/11 story. hartsickdiscipl

When you know even a little bit about the history of the US government and false flag events, it doesn't seem the least bit far fetched.

Assuming any kind of gun control measures some how makes it through the house of representatives I'm still curious as to what the Obama administration plans to do about the guns already in circulation. Making a retroactive gun control bill would essentially complete the political divide of the country. You'd have to find a way to get all of these very expensive firearms out of private hands. Firearms that are likely targets of any future ban are already being bought up left and right by everyone. Online/ Local Retailers are practically out of AR15 type firearms/ magazines because people are buying so many.

What is the point of even reinstating the ban given the fact that there will be so many used ones? Might as well just push for a more common sense solution that focuses on mental health and closes the gun show loop hole.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]If you're stupid or paranoid or 16.

MakeMeaSammitch

When you know even a little bit about the history of the US government and false flag events, it doesn't seem the least bit far fetched.

How did the Vietnam War start?

Assuming any kind of gun control measures some how makes it through the house of representatives I'm still curious as to what the Obama administration plans to do about the guns already in circulation. Making a retroactive gun control bill would essentially complete the political divide of the country. You'd have to find a way to get all of these very expensive firearms out of private hands. Firearms that are likely targets of any future ban are already being bought up left and right by everyone. Online/ Local Retailers are practically out of AR15 type firearms/ magazines because people are buying so many.

What is the point of even reinstating the ban given the fact that there will be so many used ones? Might as well just push for a more common sense solution that focuses on mental health and closes the gun show loop hole.

UnknownSniper65

The President has enough executive power now that he doesn't need Congress. Obama has signed more executive orders than any president. He wants to be a dictator, and thinks that he knows what "the majority of Americans" want. In fact, he thinks that he's our papa and that we should just take our medicine and do what he says.

Here is an article from a couple of days ago-

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100322937

Here is the cover of the December issue of Infowars magazine. This came out weeks before the Sandy Hook shooting-

Once again, Alex Jones and his staff see what's coming and expose it for what it is.

Here is the cover of the December issue of Infowars magazine. This came out weeks before the Sandy Hook shooting-

Once again, Alex Jones and his staff see what's coming and expose it for what it is.

hartsickdiscipl

What if Alex jones orchestrated the attack for this gain?dave123321

He doesn't have that kind of power. He's also pro-gun.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]What if Alex jones orchestrated the attack for this gain?hartsickdiscipl

He doesn't have that kind of power. He's also pro-gun.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

When you know even a little bit about the history of the US government and false flag events, it doesn't seem the least bit far fetched.

hartsickdiscipl

How did the Vietnam War start?

We have evidence of that.

No evidence of something like that on 9/11. Gez bin ladin even took credit.

Like I said, you have to be stupid or paranoid to believe it.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]Like I said, it doens't sound far fetched. If you're stupid or paranoid.

MakeMeaSammitch

How did the Vietnam War start?

We have evidence of that.

No evidence of something like that on 9/11. Gez bin ladin even took credit.

Like I said, you have to be stupid or paranoid to believe it.

Do you even know what a false flag event is? Do you know that you just admitted that Gulf of Tonkin was such an event? 57,000 American deaths resulted from a massive lie that the US government perpetuated. That's not bad enough for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0

...As long as they have guns, citizens should keep theirs.

The very idea of banning certain kinds of guns or all of them outright is insane,... hartsickdiscipl

So your argunent implies that all of us should have access to anti tank bazookas and semi nuclear guns? I'd be great that if our country has nuclear weapons, their citizens could buy nuclear weapons as well.

Hey. here you go! kill the millions for the greens!

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

How did the Vietnam War start?

hartsickdiscipl

We have evidence of that.

No evidence of something like that on 9/11. Gez bin ladin even took credit.

Like I said, you have to be stupid or paranoid to believe it.

Do you even know what a false flag event is? Do you know that you just admitted that Gulf of Tonkin was such an event? 57,000 American deaths resulted from a massive lie that the US government perpetuated. That's not bad enough for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0

That information was/is readily available.

9/11 has no evidence for it being a massive conspiracy involving thousands of people. Many many people have disproven that it was an inside job such as the writers at popular mechanics. You can't tell the difference between 9/11 conspiracy and readily available information implies that you're....

stupid and paranoid.

Ahem, soon the gun people will lose one of their main talking points in this trend continues.

Ahem, soon the gun people will lose one of their main talking points in this trend continues.

Yusuke420

Projections by Bloomberg government:roll:

I'll be ok with citizens giving up their guns just as soon as the cops and military do the same. As long as they have guns, citizens should keep theirs.hartsickdiscipl

How is this not an insane opinion?

You're saying that you'd be fine if the only people with guns are criminals...because you don't seem to trust the people trained/authorised to stop criminals with the tools to actually do their job. Despite the fact that this works out perfectly fine in most rational first-world countries - you know, the countries that advanced beyond the stages of complete lawlesness and local militia decades/centuries ago?

You also seem to be utterly terrified of the idea of the local peacekeeping authorities being the only ones with guns. I'm assuming this has something to do with some kind of irrational phobia relating to all-encompassing police corruption...but even if that was the case, in what universe has 'shooting police officers' ever been a good idea?

Frankly, if your personal reason for staying armed is so that you can shoot policemen who try to mess with your rights, then you're precisely the kind of nutcase who should never be allowed to possess their own firearm.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

How did the Vietnam War start?

hartsickdiscipl

We have evidence of that.

No evidence of something like that on 9/11. Gez bin ladin even took credit.

Like I said, you have to be stupid or paranoid to believe it.

Do you even know what a false flag event is? Do you know that you just admitted that Gulf of Tonkin was such an event? 57,000 American deaths resulted from a massive lie that the US government perpetuated. That's not bad enough for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0

Ahem, soon the gun people will lose one of their main talking points in this trend continues.

Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="OmenUK"]

I am from the UK so know a little but not really much about the Gun Laws in the United States but I'm aware of your second ammenddment and the right to bear arms. I've purposely not read any posts made so far simply because there'll be so much BS and petty arguing (it is OT after all) that it's easier just to post lol, so here goes.


I just wonder if the problem could easily be solved with an increase Nationaly in the legal age to own a gun, I don't know what it currently is in the US, but assume it may differ from state to state so wouldn't it be easier if there was a bill went through congress to raise the legal age to be able to qualify for a gun holders license to maybe 18 or 21, that way anyone under the age of 18/21 won't be able to own their weapons, but would under the right circumstances (gun clubs), be able to access weapons from say 15-18.

I know it may seem a overly simplistic view of things and while personally I disagree with the right to bear arms understand how integral it is to the constitution, and that removing it would be a major mistake, so wouldn't some sort of compromise which allowed responsible adults the right to bear arms as stated int he constitution, but with minimal access to those under a certain age be the best option. I mean as far as I remember it most spreee shootings have been by mid to late teens so surely this would eradicate the problem?

Feel free to flame or actually respond with constructive criticism (or actually agree).

sSubZerOo

On it's surface, what you're suggesting seems reasonble.

However, in Connecticut, you must be 21 to purchase a firearm. And you must have a license to purchase, then must pass a background check. None of that prevented Adam Lanza, 20, from getting a hold of the guns he used. The school was a gun free zone.

Apparently, criminals and the mentally disturbed don't care about rules or laws or gun free zones. Go figure.

Any meaningful change has to be cultural. But that's an evolution that will take decades. This won't happen with simple laws about firearms.

YES and NO.. A) these things can be circumnavitaged by the gun show loop hole. Something that is so blantant and so abusing that it is a tragedy to even exist.. And B) I will agree to a extent this doesn't stop criminals.. But where the hell do you think they get their guns from? From the said gun shows and either by the theft or the legal owners illegally selling the weapons to them.. These weapons don't come out of no where.. If this were the case wouldn't Japan be drowned in gun violence? Afterall their laws bar all the citizens from owning weapons..

Like I said in a previous post, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any laws on the books governing firearms. Yes, we should definitely address the private sale loop hole. In Lanza's case, he killed the owners of the guns(his mother) and stole them. Closing the private sale loop hole wouldn't have stopped him. In fact, CT laws did work to a point. He tried to purchase a firearm at Dick's Sporting Goods, but was prevented.

For Japan, as I suggested, there's a cultural factor at play. Focusing solely on gun laws will not change that.

And you're right, guns don't come out of nowhere. But that will always be the case. Ask anyone in NYC(where I live) or Chicago where gun laws are so restrictive to the point of having a virtual ban. Doesn't stop these cities from having some of the highest crime rates in the nation. Heck, let's look at a country that's a little bit more culturally similar to the US: the UK, where the government just released stats this week giving them the distinction of being the most violent country in European union.

People have to realize that there is more to the issue than gun laws.