The Israelis bombed a UN compound

LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.sonicare

Oh wow this is BBC-style braudcasting at its best! Israel has never used white phospherous. All of their weapon equipment is screed by forign parties before used in combat. The white phospherous 'rumour' originated from, you guessed it, GAZA. In it's current state, im sure any bull they say which provides a great excuse as to why Israel are 'dominating' them in war will be backed and supported by Iran...seeing as Iran fund Hamas. This means the media influence is less than perfect.

Also, Israel has rarely abducted. When they DO abduct, they abduct members of the militia, and even then they hold them in acceptable conditions, unlike Hamas who abduct to torture.

Finally, Israel send humanitry supplies through their barriar- they feed the citizens of Gaza. Hamas, the loving government they are, are too busy busying and smuggling weapons into the country to provide food and water for their citizens.

HellsAngel2c

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

I wonder if you would say the same if a country dropped a nuke on your country and killed your entire family. Sacrifices are always good, as long as they arent your loved ones... :?

And not living in a Utopia is not a valid excuse for actin barbaric. If I live in the Ghetto that doesnt give me the right to murder people.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"][QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.sonicare

[QUOTE="mastersword007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] You need to keep your personal feelings out of it, otherwise you should refrain from topics such as these. Besides, Israel is not acting barbaric by any standards.And that last analogy with you living in the ghetto, what on earth does that have to do with anything.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

I wonder if you would say the same if a country dropped a nuke on your country and killed your entire family. Sacrifices are always good, as long as they arent your loved ones... :?

And not living in a Utopia is not a valid excuse for actin barbaric. If I live in the Ghetto that doesnt give me the right to murder people.

Vanadium2k8

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] You need to keep your personal feelings out of it, otherwise you should refrain from topics such as these. Besides, Israel is not acting barbaric by any standards.And that last analogy with you living in the ghetto, what on earth does that have to do with anything.BiancaDK

LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.sonicare

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] You need to keep your personal feelings out of it, otherwise you should refrain from topics such as these. Besides, Israel is not acting barbaric by any standards.And that last analogy with you living in the ghetto, what on earth does that have to do with anything.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="mastersword007"]

Yes, because acting in rage and killing a lot of civilians, destroying a lot of facilities that were supposed to help the Palestinians and much more, is not barbaric at all.mastersword007

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"] apparently, you are physically incapable of seeing both sides of the story. Whatever floats your boat.BiancaDK

LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.sonicare

gaza is the most densily populated place on earth. Each palestian faction is local to a certian area, so they know many of people living there,many would be friends and family of friends and its common for relatives and whole families to live in the same district. The militants believe that they are protecting their people and i bet a militant would cry if they came across a dead child. yes Hamas arent saints, they shouldnt be firing rockets into israel but lets forget that they arent monsters either.

[QUOTE="HellsAngel2c"]

Oh wow this is BBC-style braudcasting at its best! Israel has never used white phospherous. All of their weapon equipment is screed by forign parties before used in combat. The white phospherous 'rumour' originated from, you guessed it, GAZA. In it's current state, im sure any bull they say which provides a great excuse as to why Israel are 'dominating' them in war will be backed and supported by Iran...seeing as Iran fund Hamas. This means the media influence is less than perfect.

Also, Israel has rarely abducted. When they DO abduct, they abduct members of the militia, and even then they hold them in acceptable conditions, unlike Hamas who abduct to torture.

Finally, Israel send humanitry supplies through their barriar- they feed the citizens of Gaza. Hamas, the loving government they are, are too busy busying and smuggling weapons into the country to provide food and water for their citizens.

Vandalvideo

Vanadium, I wasn't justifying Israel's actions. I am merely placing some of the blame on Hamas.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] You implied that because we dont live in a Utopia its ok to kill innocents if we get what we want. My analogy with the ghetto was to show that the ghetto is not a Utopia, so does the resident of the ghetto have the right to kill to improve his situation?markop2003

...What is it that we want, which can be only achieved by killing civilians?mastersword007

Im curious about this too....What is it that one could want (other than genocide) that can only be attained by killing civilians?

You conitnue to misunderstand the white phosphorus issue. For instance, the US has never signed an agreement not to us it and thus have used it in Iraq. Second, white phosphourus in and of itself is not banned. Depends on the use and intent.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"] apparently, you are physically incapable of seeing both sides of the story. Whatever floats your boat.Vanadium2k8

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.sonicare

Vanadium, I wasn't justifying Israel's actions. I am merely placing some of the blame on Hamas.sonicare

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Yes, i think its perfectly reasonable to kill civilians to get what we want, if what we want can only be achieved by killing civilians, and the thing we want is important enough to do so. I shouldnt have to point out to you that its not like Israel is targeting civilians, tho, they are targeting terrorists utilizing the civilian cover. Its just collateral damage.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="mastersword007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] 1: Theyre are obviously not acting in rage. I dont think you know what rage is? Do you see any carpet bombings yet? Mushroom clouds? 2: You seem only to mention them killing civilians and destroying facilities that are supposed to help the palestinians. You do know what "action/reaction" is?BiancaDK

[QUOTE="mastersword007"]
...What is it that we want, which can be only achieved by killing civilians?II_Seraphim_II

Im curious about this too....What is it that one could want (other than genocide) that can only be attained by killing civilians?

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.LJS9502_basic

If Hamas wasn't using the civilians then there would be no problem. Tell me what you would do if someone was firing rockets at you and your family?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="sonicare"]LJS has a very valid point, a point that most people seem to miss. Hamas cares very little about the palestinian people. They are merely tools to achieve their goal. Their lives are insignificant to them. They are conducting more of a urban war than a guerilla war. They are firing rockets from within populated areas. I'm sure it doesn't take too much understaning to realize that Israel is going to respond by firing missles back at those areas. In fact, I suspect they are counting on it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="mastersword007"]

Acting in rage is not just limited to such excessive actions.
I kinda cut short on the last part. See Vanadium2k8's post for more.
Newtons third law?mastersword007

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] The point is that almost no one is condoning Hamas tactics and their willingness to kill civilians, yet people seem ok with condoning Israel's killing of civilians. Are Palestinian lives worth less than Israeli lives?Devour2Survive

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You conitnue to misunderstand the white phosphorus issue. For instance, the US has never signed an agreement not to us it and thus have used it in Iraq. Second, white phosphourus in and of itself is not banned. Depends on the use and intent.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Blockades started in 2006.

the rocket attacks started in 2005

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Hamas has received aid from who? All the aid that was sent to Palestine would have to go to Israel first, the blockades themselves are enough proof to show that the aid never reached Palestine anyway.Vanadium2k8

[QUOTE="mastersword007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Ofcourse it isnt just limited to the 2 things i mentioned, but if israel was in a blind rage, wouldnt you think they would be more pro-reactive in their bombings? It hardly seems rageful to return fire.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If Hamas wasn't using the civilians then there would be no problem. Tell me what you would do if someone was firing rockets at you and your family?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="mastersword007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Ofcourse it isnt just limited to the 2 things i mentioned, but if israel was in a blind rage, wouldnt you think they would be more pro-reactive in their bombings? It hardly seems rageful to return fire.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] The point is that almost no one is condoning Hamas tactics and their willingness to kill civilians, yet people seem ok with condoning Israel's killing of civilians. Are Palestinian lives worth less than Israeli lives?lucky326

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If Hamas wasn't using the civilians then there would be no problem. Tell me what you would do if someone was firing rockets at you and your family?danwallacefan

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If Hamas wasn't using the civilians then there would be no problem. Tell me what you would do if someone was firing rockets at you and your family?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If Hamas wasn't using the civilians then there would be no problem. Tell me what you would do if someone was firing rockets at you and your family?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="mastersword007"]

True, but they're not just returning fire are they?
Israel is not concentrating on avoiding civilian casualties as much as they should be.
We do not even know if those places were filled with terrorist and we can't just blindly trust what israel says.

True, sometimes innocent casualties are inevitable, but that doesn't mean a country shouldn't try to keep that number as low as possible.mastersword007

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You conitnue to misunderstand the white phosphorus issue. For instance, the US has never signed an agreement not to us it and thus have used it in Iraq. Second, white phosphourus in and of itself is not banned. Depends on the use and intent.Bloodbath_87

[QUOTE="mastersword007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] How do you know theyre not doing everything within their power and within reason to avoid civilian casualties?BiancaDK

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You conitnue to misunderstand the white phosphorus issue. For instance, the US has never signed an agreement not to us it and thus have used it in Iraq. Second, white phosphourus in and of itself is not banned. Depends on the use and intent.Bloodbath_87

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Devour2Survive"] I would blindly start shooting rockets everywhere not caring what they hit and who they hit... :|Devour2Survive