The Marvel Cinematic Universe vs The Dark Knight Trilogy

Having a cohesive universe means squat in terms of quality. If you know comic books, then this analogy makes sense. Is Geoff John's Justice League better than Watchmen because it has tie ins to other titles and falls in an over arching continuity? Not in a chance.brucewayne69

It can sure help. Take Invincible for instance. Over the past 10 years Kirkman has introduced so many characters that aren't Mark Grayson or Atom Eve or Omni-Man that people have become fond of. Instead of trying to fit them all into 26 pages a month it is more sensible to give the other characters a chance at their own book so that their stories can be fleshed out. Hence why Guarding the Globe features so many of these characters so that they can have a chance to be explored more.

Same goes for Hellboy, the fact that there were alot of characters that Mignola fans were fond of he couldn't just get rid of them because Hellboy broke from the BPRD, so he had Hellboy and BPRD, along with Lobster Johnson, but I mean, who doesn't love them some Lobster Johnson stories.

But no, just having a universe doesn't make anything better, sometime it is just a way to get more people to buy your books by having crossovers (Marvel with their 85 crossovers a year). You also have to take writers into account, Grant Morrisons current DC run vs his new Image series "HAPPY!". The same writer but one is a superhero comic and the other is a crazy, voilent, "WTF did I just read" kind of comic. It just leads me back to the point of people shoulds follow writers instead of characters. Now, If you like a character don't leave just because the writer changes because sometimes that new writer can do something good, this happened with Witchblade.

A universe should be a tool, but these days it has become a marketing ploy in the Big 2.

Edit: Some horrid spelling errors that make me deserve to back to 1st grade

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]Having a cohesive universe means squat in terms of quality. If you know comic books, then this analogy makes sense. Is Geoff John's Justice League better than Watchmen because it has tie ins to other titles and falls in an over arching continuity? Not in a chance.Hatiko

It can sure help. Take Invincible for instance. Over the past 10 years Kirkman has introduced so many characters that aren't Mark Grayson or Atom Eve or Omni-Man that people have become fond of. Instead of trying to fit them all into 26 pages a month it is more sensible to give the other characters a chance at their own book so that their stories can be fleshed out. Hence why Guarding the Globe features so many of these characters so that they can have a chance to be explored more.

Same goes for Hellboy, the fact that there were alot of characters that Mignola fans were fond of he couldn't just get rid of them because Hellboy broke from the BPRD, so he had Hellboy and BPRD, along with Lobster Johnson, but I mean, who doesn't love them some Lobster Johnson stories.

But no, just having a universe doesn't make anything better, sometime it is just a way to get more people to buy your books by having crossovers (Marvel with their 85 crossovers a year). You also have to take writers into account, Grant Morrisons current DC run vs his new Image series "HAPPY!". The same writer but one is a superhero comic and the other is a crazy, voilent, "WTF did I just read" kind of comic. It just leads me back to the point of people shoulds follow writers instead of characters. Now, If you like a character don't leave just because the writer changes because sometimes that new writer can do something good, this happened with Witchblade.

A universe should be a tool, but these days it has become a marketing ploy in the Big 2.

Edit: Some horrid spelling errors that make me deserve to back to 1st grade

Ahh, I'm afraid I haven't read much Image/Vertigo. That's about to change, and I'm really getting into Morrison's Vertigo books. How is his Animal Man? If you've read it.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]Having a cohesive universe means squat in terms of quality. If you know comic books, then this analogy makes sense. Is Geoff John's Justice League better than Watchmen because it has tie ins to other titles and falls in an over arching continuity? Not in a chance.brucewayne69

It can sure help. Take Invincible for instance. Over the past 10 years Kirkman has introduced so many characters that aren't Mark Grayson or Atom Eve or Omni-Man that people have become fond of. Instead of trying to fit them all into 26 pages a month it is more sensible to give the other characters a chance at their own book so that their stories can be fleshed out. Hence why Guarding the Globe features so many of these characters so that they can have a chance to be explored more.

Same goes for Hellboy, the fact that there were alot of characters that Mignola fans were fond of he couldn't just get rid of them because Hellboy broke from the BPRD, so he had Hellboy and BPRD, along with Lobster Johnson, but I mean, who doesn't love them some Lobster Johnson stories.

But no, just having a universe doesn't make anything better, sometime it is just a way to get more people to buy your books by having crossovers (Marvel with their 85 crossovers a year). You also have to take writers into account, Grant Morrisons current DC run vs his new Image series "HAPPY!". The same writer but one is a superhero comic and the other is a crazy, voilent, "WTF did I just read" kind of comic. It just leads me back to the point of people shoulds follow writers instead of characters. Now, If you like a character don't leave just because the writer changes because sometimes that new writer can do something good, this happened with Witchblade.

A universe should be a tool, but these days it has become a marketing ploy in the Big 2.

Edit: Some horrid spelling errors that make me deserve to back to 1st grade

Ahh, I'm afraid I haven't read much Image/Vertigo. That's about to change, and I'm really getting into Morrison's Vertigo books. How is his Animal Man? If you've read it.

Haven't read Animal Man, I want to though. I think him and Swamp Thing are about to have a crossover of some sort. They have both gotten tremendous praise so I want to try them both out.

batman is my superhero expection. the rest are retarded. Untill chris nolan brings us the superman rebootlloveLamp

Which classic superhero interpretation do you find better? Marvel's modern, cinematic take on their pantheon of superheroes, or Nolan's gritty reboot of DC's seminal flagship character?

Just so we know what each series entails:

MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

• Iron Man
• The Incredible Hulk
• Thor
• Iron Man 2
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• The Avengers

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY

• Batman Begins
• The Dark Knight
• The Dark Knight Rises

Which one do you find better, and why?

My answer is simple: the Dark Knight Trilogy outdoes the Marvel Universe. Batman is one of the greatest characters in history, and Nolan's masterful take on him reinvents him for a new time, bringing modern audiences up to speed with his legend. That, and the fact that it has three incredible movies, to Marvel's wildly varying quality, and the fact that The Dark Knight Trilogy might be one of the greatest cinematic trilogies in history (seriously, I think it's second only to Lord of the Rings, and that was filmed as one movie).

How about you guys?

charizard1605

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] What? Why did you hate Rises?thedork_knight

1.christian bale is $h!t as batman, the suit looks awful, the inclusion of Robin was pointless as a whole,

2.bane was a waste the whole time pre release bigging him up to be batman supervior when in the end he was just a pawn and his death what an anti climax why include Ras Al Ghul as bane on his own would have been better,

3.the plot was predictable, How Did Bane Know Where Applied Sciences Was? How Did Bruce Wayne Get Back In To Gotham?

4.the fights between bane and batman were awful, the fight scene between the inmate and the police were awful, blake knowing bruce wayne was batman by looking into his eyes is just stupid.

5.The thing marvel has over the batman movies are that they are just fun and dont take themselves to serious.

1. That's an opinion but I certainly disagree. Christian Bale is the essence of Bruce Wayne and his voice, while widely hated, I love. If you have read the comics you would know both of these are true. His voice is described as being deep and gutteral. The inclusion of Robin was fun and a good nod towards the fans. It was about 30 seconds of the movie. Big deal if you didn't like it.

2. This is almost illegible. Step up your game man. Bane was not a pawn. I don't know if you watched the same movie that I did, but in the movie I saw, Talia, acting as Miranda Tate, had to get the purifier in her hands. Which she did. Bane was the public side to their PARTNERSHIP. They loved eachother. If Talia was killing people with Bane, do you think Bruce would have left the company in her hands? Think.

3. I don't know how he knew where Applied Sciences is, but I do know that the richest man in the world had 22 days to get back to Gotham. Sure, he lost his money, but don't you think he had millions stashed away? And once he got near enough, don't you think the Batman could sneak past some thugs?

4. The fights between Batman and Bane were absolutely excellent. You are odd.

5. ..........

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

It can sure help. Take Invincible for instance. Over the past 10 years Kirkman has introduced so many characters that aren't Mark Grayson or Atom Eve or Omni-Man that people have become fond of. Instead of trying to fit them all into 26 pages a month it is more sensible to give the other characters a chance at their own book so that their stories can be fleshed out. Hence why Guarding the Globe features so many of these characters so that they can have a chance to be explored more.

Same goes for Hellboy, the fact that there were alot of characters that Mignola fans were fond of he couldn't just get rid of them because Hellboy broke from the BPRD, so he had Hellboy and BPRD, along with Lobster Johnson, but I mean, who doesn't love them some Lobster Johnson stories.

But no, just having a universe doesn't make anything better, sometime it is just a way to get more people to buy your books by having crossovers (Marvel with their 85 crossovers a year). You also have to take writers into account, Grant Morrisons current DC run vs his new Image series "HAPPY!". The same writer but one is a superhero comic and the other is a crazy, voilent, "WTF did I just read" kind of comic. It just leads me back to the point of people shoulds follow writers instead of characters. Now, If you like a character don't leave just because the writer changes because sometimes that new writer can do something good, this happened with Witchblade.

A universe should be a tool, but these days it has become a marketing ploy in the Big 2.

Edit: Some horrid spelling errors that make me deserve to back to 1st grade

Hatiko

Ahh, I'm afraid I haven't read much Image/Vertigo. That's about to change, and I'm really getting into Morrison's Vertigo books. How is his Animal Man? If you've read it.

Haven't read Animal Man, I want to though. I think him and Swamp Thing are about to have a crossover of some sort. They have both gotten tremendous praise so I want to try them both out.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Which classic superhero interpretation do you find better? Marvel's modern, cinematic take on their pantheon of superheroes, or Nolan's gritty reboot of DC's seminal flagship character?

Just so we know what each series entails:

MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

• Iron Man
• The Incredible Hulk
• Thor
• Iron Man 2
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• The Avengers

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY

• Batman Begins
• The Dark Knight
• The Dark Knight Rises

Which one do you find better, and why?

My answer is simple: the Dark Knight Trilogy outdoes the Marvel Universe. Batman is one of the greatest characters in history, and Nolan's masterful take on him reinvents him for a new time, bringing modern audiences up to speed with his legend. That, and the fact that it has three incredible movies, to Marvel's wildly varying quality, and the fact that The Dark Knight Trilogy might be one of the greatest cinematic trilogies in history (seriously, I think it's second only to Lord of the Rings, and that was filmed as one movie).

How about you guys?

Justforvisit

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

Ahh, I'm afraid I haven't read much Image/Vertigo. That's about to change, and I'm really getting into Morrison's Vertigo books. How is his Animal Man? If you've read it.

brucewayne69

Haven't read Animal Man, I want to though. I think him and Swamp Thing are about to have a crossover of some sort. They have both gotten tremendous praise so I want to try them both out.

I just bought the Animal Man and Swamp Thing trades today (AM has 1-7 ans ST has 1-6). They are going to have some crossover soon where something called the Rotworld has taken over in the future and they go to the future and see which heroes have survived and which are under rotworld control. Snyder described it as a "post-apocalyptic DCU", he said it will be epic but still horror and that posion ivy will be there. Seems interesting, like superhero survival horror. They said it was like being able to do an Elseworlds tale but in continuity, and if you ever read elseworlds stuff, it can get pretty crazy because it was out of continuity so they could do whatever they wanted.

As for what you got, Sandman is usually pretty awesome so you don't have to worry about that. Invisibles in GM, and he always does well, it's not everyone's taste but he does good (you know this though). Haven't heard much about 100 bullets.

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Haven't read Animal Man, I want to though. I think him and Swamp Thing are about to have a crossover of some sort. They have both gotten tremendous praise so I want to try them both out.

Hatiko

I just bought the Animal Man and Swamp Thing trades today (AM has 1-7 ans ST has 1-6). They are going to have some crossover soon where something called the Rotworld has taken over in the future and they go to the future and see which heroes have survived and which are under rotworld control. Snyder described it as a "post-apocalyptic DCU", he said it will be epic but still horror and that posion ivy will be there. Seems interesting, like superhero survival horror. They said it was like being able to do an Elseworlds tale but in continuity, and if you ever read elseworlds stuff, it can get pretty crazy because it was out of continuity so they could do whatever they wanted.

As for what you got, Sandman is usually pretty awesome so you don't have to worry about that. Invisibles in GM, and he always does well, it's not everyone's taste but he does good (you know this though). Haven't heard much about 100 bullets.

I was talking about Grant Morrison's Animal man. 1-26, from the late eighties. The three trades are still in print, and it's supposed to be a gut wrencher.

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Which classic superhero interpretation do you find better? Marvel's modern, cinematic take on their pantheon of superheroes, or Nolan's gritty reboot of DC's seminal flagship character?

Just so we know what each series entails:

MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

• Iron Man
• The Incredible Hulk
• Thor
• Iron Man 2
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• The Avengers

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY

• Batman Begins
• The Dark Knight
• The Dark Knight Rises

Which one do you find better, and why?

My answer is simple: the Dark Knight Trilogy outdoes the Marvel Universe. Batman is one of the greatest characters in history, and Nolan's masterful take on him reinvents him for a new time, bringing modern audiences up to speed with his legend. That, and the fact that it has three incredible movies, to Marvel's wildly varying quality, and the fact that The Dark Knight Trilogy might be one of the greatest cinematic trilogies in history (seriously, I think it's second only to Lord of the Rings, and that was filmed as one movie).

How about you guys?

TheFallenDemon

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"] I've decided to start my vertigo collection with 100 bullets and then the Sandman slipcase set, then the invisibles omnibus and who knows what then. If any of these were bad, do tell!brucewayne69

I just bought the Animal Man and Swamp Thing trades today (AM has 1-7 ans ST has 1-6). They are going to have some crossover soon where something called the Rotworld has taken over in the future and they go to the future and see which heroes have survived and which are under rotworld control. Snyder described it as a "post-apocalyptic DCU", he said it will be epic but still horror and that posion ivy will be there. Seems interesting, like superhero survival horror. They said it was like being able to do an Elseworlds tale but in continuity, and if you ever read elseworlds stuff, it can get pretty crazy because it was out of continuity so they could do whatever they wanted.

As for what you got, Sandman is usually pretty awesome so you don't have to worry about that. Invisibles in GM, and he always does well, it's not everyone's taste but he does good (you know this though). Haven't heard much about 100 bullets.

I was talking about Grant Morrison's Animal man. 1-26, from the late eighties. The three trades are still in print, and it's supposed to be a gut wrencher.

Stop! You make me lose more money! Alot of the stuff right after CoiE is really good.

Speaking of gut-wrenching, some of the scenes in Invincible are gruesome (don't be fooled, the covers may look "cartoony" but it is one of the bloodiest and most voilent comics when it needs to be) I don't think the TOU will let me post pics though.

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I just bought the Animal Man and Swamp Thing trades today (AM has 1-7 ans ST has 1-6). They are going to have some crossover soon where something called the Rotworld has taken over in the future and they go to the future and see which heroes have survived and which are under rotworld control. Snyder described it as a "post-apocalyptic DCU", he said it will be epic but still horror and that posion ivy will be there. Seems interesting, like superhero survival horror. They said it was like being able to do an Elseworlds tale but in continuity, and if you ever read elseworlds stuff, it can get pretty crazy because it was out of continuity so they could do whatever they wanted.

As for what you got, Sandman is usually pretty awesome so you don't have to worry about that. Invisibles in GM, and he always does well, it's not everyone's taste but he does good (you know this though). Haven't heard much about 100 bullets.

Hatiko

I was talking about Grant Morrison's Animal man. 1-26, from the late eighties. The three trades are still in print, and it's supposed to be a gut wrencher.

Stop! You make me lose more money! Alot of the stuff right after CoiE is really good.

Speaking of gut-wrenching, some of the scenes in Invincible are gruesome (don't be fooled, the covers may look "cartoony" but it is one of the bloodiest and most voilent comics when it needs to be) I don't think the TOU will let me post pics though.

Haven't there been like 20 trades? Is it still going?

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

I was talking about Grant Morrison's Animal man. 1-26, from the late eighties. The three trades are still in print, and it's supposed to be a gut wrencher.

brucewayne69

Stop! You make me lose more money! Alot of the stuff right after CoiE is really good.

Speaking of gut-wrenching, some of the scenes in Invincible are gruesome (don't be fooled, the covers may look "cartoony" but it is one of the bloodiest and most voilent comics when it needs to be) I don't think the TOU will let me post pics though.

Haven't there been like 20 trades? Is it still going?

16 trades. This summer I decided to buy all of them along with all of the other mini and limited series that have been collected into trades (Capes 1 trade, Tech-Jacket 1 trade, Astounding Wolf-Man 4 trades, Brit 3 trades, Atom Eve and Rex Splode 1 trade, Guarding the Globe 1 trade) It took me about 3 months to get through them all. Issue 95 came out last week and Guardians of the Globe started an ongoing (first time it was a mini) a month ago and issue 2 comes out tomorrow. And about a month and a half ago teasers popped up individually and them put together:

Some bloody art images (although pretty tame for how the sereis can get) so [spoiler]

[/spoiler]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Stop! You make me lose more money! Alot of the stuff right after CoiE is really good.

Speaking of gut-wrenching, some of the scenes in Invincible are gruesome (don't be fooled, the covers may look "cartoony" but it is one of the bloodiest and most voilent comics when it needs to be) I don't think the TOU will let me post pics though.

Hatiko

Haven't there been like 20 trades? Is it still going?

16 trades. This summer I decided to buy all of them along with all of the other mini and limited series that have been collected into trades (Capes 1 trade, Tech-Jacket 1 trade, Astounding Wolf-Man 4 trades, Brit 3 trades, Atom Eve and Rex Splode 1 trade, Guarding the Globe 1 trade) It took me about 3 months to get through them all. Issue 95 came out last week and Guardians of the Globe started an ongoing (first time it was a mini) a month ago and issue 2 comes out tomorrow. And about a month and a half ago teasers popped up individually and them put together:

Some bloody art images (although pretty tame for how the sereis can get) so [spoiler]

[/spoiler]

This is a bit odd, but I have a bit of a dream to write a comic book. I wrote up the first page for one story and one for another. I'll link it to you, if you have the time to give me your thoughts on how it is, or if it just plain sucks :( . Let's hope not, but if it is bad, give me your best advice from one comic reader to another. I'd appreciate this man! Hey, if you have creative talents (art, coloring, lettering), you can join!

Would you read either of these series?

http://www.zwol.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5215

Oh and I looked up Invincible and saw that! The art is great!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Which classic superhero interpretation do you find better? Marvel's modern, cinematic take on their pantheon of superheroes, or Nolan's gritty reboot of DC's seminal flagship character?

Just so we know what each series entails:

MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

• Iron Man
• The Incredible Hulk
• Thor
• Iron Man 2
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• The Avengers

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY

• Batman Begins
• The Dark Knight
• The Dark Knight Rises

Which one do you find better, and why?

My answer is simple: the Dark Knight Trilogy outdoes the Marvel Universe. Batman is one of the greatest characters in history, and Nolan's masterful take on him reinvents him for a new time, bringing modern audiences up to speed with his legend. That, and the fact that it has three incredible movies, to Marvel's wildly varying quality, and the fact that The Dark Knight Trilogy might be one of the greatest cinematic trilogies in history (seriously, I think it's second only to Lord of the Rings, and that was filmed as one movie).

How about you guys?

Justforvisit

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Which classic superhero interpretation do you find better? Marvel's modern, cinematic take on their pantheon of superheroes, or Nolan's gritty reboot of DC's seminal flagship character?

Just so we know what each series entails:

MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

• Iron Man
• The Incredible Hulk
• Thor
• Iron Man 2
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• The Avengers

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY

• Batman Begins
• The Dark Knight
• The Dark Knight Rises

Which one do you find better, and why?

My answer is simple: the Dark Knight Trilogy outdoes the Marvel Universe. Batman is one of the greatest characters in history, and Nolan's masterful take on him reinvents him for a new time, bringing modern audiences up to speed with his legend. That, and the fact that it has three incredible movies, to Marvel's wildly varying quality, and the fact that The Dark Knight Trilogy might be one of the greatest cinematic trilogies in history (seriously, I think it's second only to Lord of the Rings, and that was filmed as one movie).

How about you guys?

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

Where the HECK is Spiderman? o____O

TheFallenDemon

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] He isn't a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe...charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]
I already ninja'd you. BOW DOWN TO ME, SHEEP KING

TheFallenDemon

Does anyone read any of the new Marvel comics on any of the characters? Could anyone tell me how they are. I am interested in getting into them.

Does anyone read any of the new Marvel comics on any of the characters? Could anyone tell me how they are. I am interested in getting into them.

muller39

Oh and I looked up Invincible and saw that! The art is great!

brucewayne69

Ryan Ottley and Cory Walker have done an amazing job on the series.

Some of my favorites: Some are brutal so be warned:

[spoiler]

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Wow... that was alot. It's not super realistic, nor is it trying too (yes, yes, Alex Ross is a god the way he does his super realistic art), but I really like the way this art works.

Multiple Edits: Trying to make pics not so huge

[QUOTE="muller39"]

Does anyone read any of the new Marvel comics on any of the characters? Could anyone tell me how they are. I am interested in getting into them.

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="muller39"]

Does anyone read any of the new Marvel comics on any of the characters? Could anyone tell me how they are. I am interested in getting into them.

muller39

[QUOTE="muller39"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Everything since the Civil War is actually really good, but you might have trouble keeping up with stuff considering the extremely massive continuity they are often bound by.charizard1605

While I am not a fan of marvel at all (too many crossovers with characters I don't care about, my biggest pet peeve character death rarely means a thing or isn't permanent, why care about a character in any situation because if they do die they will just come back later, no risk, DC is also guilty of this) you can start soon with the Marvel NOW! relaunch. Following the events of AvX the series will relaunch (not reboot like DC) you can look at this to help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_NOW!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="muller39"] Thanks for the reply I think I will look into one and just take it from there and see how it goes. The challenge is deciding one which character to choose.Hatiko

While I am not a fan of marvel at all (too many crossovers with characters I don't care about, my biggest pet peeve character death rarely means a thing or isn't permanent, why care about a character in any situation because if they do die they will just come back later, no risk, DC is also guilty of this) you can start soon with the Marvel NOW! relaunch. Following the events of AvX the series will relaunch (not reboot like DC) you can look at this to help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_NOW!

So we can conclude that Batman>>>Marvel?charizard1605

The 1st two batman movies were better then anything by marvel. TDKR is possibly the biggest movie disappointment I've ever had.

Like other's have said Marvel's movies vary in quality but I didn't like the Avenger's much and wish they would have just gone with sequels to the individual series. X Men 1st class and the 1st Iron Man are the only movies I really like recently from Marvel.

So I'm going with Batman

The 1st two batman movies were better then anything by marvel. TDKR is possibly the biggest movie disappointment I've ever had.

Like other's have said Marvel's movies vary in quality but I didn't like the Avenger's much and wish they would have just gone with sequels to the individual series. X Men 1st class and the 1st Iron Man are the only movies I really like recently from Marvel.

So I'm going with Batman

AsadMahdi59

The Dark Knight had a more compelling history and better characters than any Marvel movie.

The Dark Knight had a more compelling history and better characters than any Marvel movie.

Ricardomz

[QUOTE="Ricardomz"]

The Dark Knight had a more compelling history and better characters than any Marvel movie.

charizard1605

Hmm I actually liked TDK more the second time than the first time when I rewatched it a couple weeks back. But that aside, it's a bit of a tough call since they're pretty different movies (the Marvel ones being much less serious). But putting TDKR aside (which was fairly mediocre), I'd take Iron Man and The Avengers over Batman Begins and TDK, but BB and TDK undoubtedly beat anything else from the Marvel film universe.

Hmm I actually liked TDK more the second time than the first time when I rewatched it a couple weeks back. But that aside, it's a bit of a tough call since they're pretty different movies (the Marvel ones being much less serious). But putting TDKR aside (which was fairly mediocre), I'd take Iron Man and The Avengers over Batman Begins and TDK, but BB and TDK undoubtedly beat anything else from the Marvel film universe.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Hmm I actually liked TDK more the second time than the first time when I rewatched it a couple weeks back. But that aside, it's a bit of a tough call since they're pretty different movies (the Marvel ones being much less serious). But putting TDKR aside (which was fairly mediocre), I'd take Iron Man and The Avengers over Batman Begins and TDK, but BB and TDK undoubtedly beat anything else from the Marvel film universe.

brucewayne69

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Hmm I actually liked TDK more the second time than the first time when I rewatched it a couple weeks back. But that aside, it's a bit of a tough call since they're pretty different movies (the Marvel ones being much less serious). But putting TDKR aside (which was fairly mediocre), I'd take Iron Man and The Avengers over Batman Begins and TDK, but BB and TDK undoubtedly beat anything else from the Marvel film universe.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

DKT simply beacause of the first two movies. Rises was bad. Avengers was great. And most of the other marvel oives are good too! But im a sucker for batmna, and TDK!

charizard1605

• Theres no batman in the batman movie after an hour he comes out twice, and then he is in that god damn pit for an hour, before coming out just in time for the end of the film, I came to see the god damn batman, not JGL as a cop.
• In fact Id say its more of a cop movie, with batman making Cameos
• Compared to the screen time joker got , Bane didnt get enough playing time
• The plot is ass, if Bane was so determined to follow Ra'as plans, the movie should've ended at te football stadium, if he was so radical, LIKE IS STATED it would have ended there.
• Further more, is final scene is very anti-climatic, yes it makes Cwoman look like a BAMF, but the fact that a villan that beat bruce, and was basically his equal in terms if plannng and combat ability (if not better in the latter) needed a better way to go.
• Also, Talia, she wanted revenge on Bruce. If you argue that destroying the city and having bruce watch was her plan, then its a poor excuse. She and Bane orchestrated this entire thing, yet she can't prevent the cops from stopping it...WHEN SHE IS INVLOVED IN THE PLANNING!!!! She goes from master planner, to idiot bad guy unable to support her plan.
• The obvious statment on wall street,Banes joke about them being theives was good. But the entire plot point is based in real life, and nolan was obvioulsy trying to convery that...I didnt like that. Conveying a message so obviously..it was a like an underlying theme that could be spotted a mile away. I dont want to be preached to about news headlines in a batman film, find a better way. The fact its so notciable is a problem.
• Back to Talia and her sudden turn of stupdidty, she should've just blown the damn thing out of the gate ' oh sit its batman' boom!
• Basically, the stroy, writing and plot is garbage. Its made big, just for being bigs sake. It becomes bloated and convulted.
• I didnt even come in to this film expecting it to be TDK quality, I went in with low expectations, and was still dissapointed.
• The fact that Wayne Enterprises is under threat of being bought out is ridcualous in itself, a company that was doing so grrat and keeping bruce a billionaire, suddenly goes up after ONE bad investment? THe whole buy-out/broke bruce/wall street story was ass.
• How did Bane know FOR SURE that all the cops were going in the tunnels? It was a last minute convicning by Gordan and Robin?
• Small complaint, when Bane is reading Gordans speech at Blackgate....who is he talking to? He is acting like he is giving a sweeping speech to a large crowd, but he literally across a small street from the blackgate..gates, that look like a wal. And when he shoots the gates and the reporters scrambe...HE IS STILL GOING ON!! Is there seriuosly not a better time they could've came up with ? WHy have him at blackgate? There is no reason for that scene to be ass bad as it is.
• OH, and bad scenes, the twist with Talia is garbage. "Here let me stab you and reveal Im the the bad guy and then tell you all of our plan!" Awful, just awful.

That is why I hated Rises.

Will say acting was superb all around. Every character was spot on, Bane was amazing (Still prefer Joker personally) and Talia, even when her character was stupifed. All the charecters were great!! That is the one great thing I loved about the movie.

Marvel is just so, so bad. It always has been, every movie.

TDK franchise was extremely well done. Nolan did a fantastic job, that is certain.

Well the Avengers movies aren't all out yet, so it is a little hard to compare.

I like the Dark Knight Trilogy more, but it is a completely different style. The Dark knight is more realistic and could, though extremely unlikely, actually happen. It goes a lot more into the personal storie of Bruce Wayne. The avengers is more of an action packed, unrealistic superhero movie.

Well the Avengers movies aren't all out yet, so it is a little hard to compare.

I like the Dark Knight Trilogy more, but it is a completely different style. The Dark knight is more realistic and could, though extremely unlikely, actually happen. It goes a lot more into the personal storie of Bruce Wayne. The avengers is more of an action packed, unrealistic superhero movie.

Jacobistheman

Which is what superheroes should be.

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Well the Avengers movies aren't all out yet, so it is a little hard to compare.

I like the Dark Knight Trilogy more, but it is a completely different style. The Dark knight is more realistic and could, though extremely unlikely, actually happen. It goes a lot more into the personal storie of Bruce Wayne. The avengers is more of an action packed, unrealistic superhero movie.

Hatiko

Which is what superheroes should be.