The September 11, 2001 Attacks on America

First of all, don't call me dude. Second of all, he is your president. You don't like him, big deal, leave America. He is everyone's president, shut your mouth. The reason we are in Iraq, is because he attacking the terrorists. Even liberal yuppies know that al-Qaeda influence is largest in Iraq. You can say it's for oil, you can say it's for his own pleasure, I don't care. He is your president, he is every American's president. You don't like it, big deal, get out of America.newyork_graffit

I'm canadian so no it's your dumb president and your country is the reason terrorism even exists.

The reason we are in Iraq is not because of the terrorists, you don't just go into a country because there's terrorists, you go into a country because they attacked/harmed you or your allies. There's terrorists in Russia, South America, Africa, etc.

Bush needed a reason to go into Iraq, and so he said there are weapons of mass destruction. Then he changed it to "al qaeda was involved in 9/11" (which they weren't) and now we're in there, because we're stuck there and are "fighting terrorists"

USA is the same country that set up the Shah in Iran who was the reason Iran got ****ed up due to the Revolution and that crazy Imam leader.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?Dutch_Mix

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :| Oh, wait! They're in on the conspiracy too! :lol:

Dutch_Mix

My mom is part of the conspiracy!

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]

It's funny how the President exploited 9/11 to gain support for the War in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. President Bush even said this. Let's assume 9/11 never happened. Would President Bush have gotten support to go to Iraq? No, it would have never happened. But with 9/11, he could use the weakness and ignorance of the American public to justify his war.

GettingTired

i thought that this was obvious. :|

But people still relate the two, do they not?

touche.;)

that is just a result of human ignorance though :P.

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?chrisrooR

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

My mom was across the street! Even before she knew it was terrorism, she called me and said an American Airlines jet hit the pentagon! You people just ignore anyone who present facts.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?sca321

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

If that's true then I take back what I said about that.

AHUGECAT, the actual story sounds more believeable.

-How would they plant explosives in the Towers, and no one would notice?

-Why is there no evidence at all, of a demolition?

-Why does the black box on all four planes, have noises and bangs with the terrorists in the background?

-How could a person keep a gigantic secret, like demolishing the WTC, for 6 years, and never confess to anyone?

-Airport Security was terrible when the 19 men boarded the planes. Could you possibly imagine men hijacking planes to fly into 4 buildings?

-Most of the 19 men entered the country when Bill Clinton was in office. Bill Clinton even received a memo, thatstated thatterrorists planned on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, i.e. the Empire State Building, the White House, the Sears Tower,the World TradeCenter, the Pentagon, etc. That memo was called the "Pheonix Memo" and ended up being ignored.

-Bush was only in office for a matter of months. Do you really think he could've thought of a genius plan such as this?

Now, I know you have your own opinion, but really, the facts are there.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?OregonTrailing

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

My mom was across the street! Even before she knew it was terrorism, she called me and said an American Airlines jet hit the pentagon! You people just ignore anyone who present facts.

a personal experience isn't a fact unless it is provided with proof.:|

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?chrisrooR

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

So, because the government doesn't give you every shred of evidence automatically makes it teh conspiracy? :lol:

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="way2funny"][QUOTE="newyork_graffit"]

Well, if you are not American, don't respond to the remarks about the president. If you are American, don't you dare insult the President of the United States. If you live in America, he is YOUR president, and you have no right to insult Bush.

way2funny

I have all the right to insult Bush. Did my family vote for Bush? no, but we are stuck with him wether we like it or not. Just cause he is the president doesnt give him special privalages, even though he has them. Just because certain people dont like the current president, that gives you no reason to tell them get out of America. Saying that just makes you really ignorant.

Not to say i support 9-11 or anything, because i recognize that it was a horrible event and i feel terrible for what happened, but that has nothing to do with our president, and anyone has the right to critisize him anyway they see fit. Its called the first amendment, freedom of speech.

Saying that just makes you really ignorant.

Its called using the arguers logic to defeat their arguement. Why should the president get special privalages? The free world? most of the world isnt free.

I didnt say people cant tell me, i said it gives them no reason to.

And most of the world isn't free? About half the world isn't free and about half the world is free, give or take a few countries. Most of the countries that arn't free are in Asia and Africa, but the countries that are free are on the western hemisphere and Europe. Now I said leader of the free world, not leader of a free world. I was specifically stating that he is the leader of the countries that are free, not the entire world.

Your logic FTL.

[QUOTE="newyork_graffit"]First of all, don't call me dude. Second of all, he is your president. You don't like him, big deal, leave America. He is everyone's president, shut your mouth. The reason we are in Iraq, is because he attacking the terrorists. Even liberal yuppies know that al-Qaeda influence is largest in Iraq. You can say it's for oil, you can say it's for his own pleasure, I don't care. He is your president, he is every American's president. You don't like it, big deal, get out of America.OregonTrailing

Bush is NOT my president. I didn't vote for him and he never won an election (without cheating)

And just so you know, there is ZERO, I repeat, ZERO, evidence connecting 9/11 to Iraq. Even Bush agrees.

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

AHUGECAT

1. Missle don't make fireballs

2. Security camera's run at like 5 FPS

3. The terrorists brought the plane down too low and instead of hitting at an angle flew straight into it. My mom said it looked like the plane was heading straight for the parkway until they pulled up just about the ground.

4. I don't have an answer. Theres many unknowns still left but claiming the government did it is just plain dumb, until there is actual concrete proof.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?chrisrooR

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

My mom was across the street! Even before she knew it was terrorism, she called me and said an American Airlines jet hit the pentagon! You people just ignore anyone who present facts.

a personal experience isn't a fact unless it is provided with proof.:|

Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
GarchomPro

Blind Americans? :lol: If not believing in a documentary filled with inaccuracies, misquotes, distortions, and just plain absurdity makes me blind then so be it! :lol:

-How would they plant explosives in the Towers, and no one would notice?newyork_graffit

By not saying those big packages are explosives?

-Why is there no evidence at all, of a demolition?newyork_graffit

The way it collapsed, the mushroom smoke, the free fall speed of the buildngs, the lack of oxygen in the fire, etc. etc. isnt't evidence?

-Why does the black box on all four planes, have noises and bangs with the terrorists in the background?newyork_graffit

Because they are as real as the WMD's in Iraq?

-How could a person keep a gigantic secret, like demolishing the WTC, for 6 years, and never confess to anyone?newyork_graffit

-Airport Security was terrible when the 19 men boarded the planes. Could you possibly imagine men hijacking planes to fly into 4 buildings?newyork_graffit

Yes.

-Most of the 19 men entered the country when Bill Clinton was in office. Bill Clinton even received a memo, thatstated thatterrorists planned on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, i.e. the Empire State Building, the White House, the Sears Tower,the World TradeCenter, the Pentagon, etc. That memo was called the "Pheonix Memo" and ended up being ignored.newyork_graffit

So how come the Sears Tower, White House, Empire State Building, etc. etc. is okay?

-

Bush was only in office for a matter of months. Do you really think he could've thought of a genius plan such as this?newyork_graffit

No, but Israel did.

Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
GarchomPro

Today is, unbelieveably, the 6th anniversary of the Spetember 11, 2001 attacks in New York City and Washington D.C. As a New Yorker, this day is hard to deal with. Please, share stories about what happened to you on that day. I will share mine later on, but please, I want to hear what other people went through, or thought about on that day.

This is a serious topic only. If you are going to make immature comments, leave, and never answer on this board.

Conspiracy theorists are welcome as well, because I would love to pick you apart with scientific facts, while all you throw back is peices from Loose Change. You insult my president, my deceased loved ones, and my city because you are a follower that believes anything Alex Jones or Charlie Sheen says, then feel free to get ripped apart by every single person that has lost a loved one on that day, such as I.

Anyways, please share your stories. Thank you.

newyork_graffit

Your my new best friend. Finally, someone who has the guts to stick up for the president these days!!!!

[QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="newyork_graffit"]First of all, don't call me dude. Second of all, he is your president. You don't like him, big deal, leave America. He is everyone's president, shut your mouth. The reason we are in Iraq, is because he attacking the terrorists. Even liberal yuppies know that al-Qaeda influence is largest in Iraq. You can say it's for oil, you can say it's for his own pleasure, I don't care. He is your president, he is every American's president. You don't like it, big deal, get out of America.mastershake575

Bush is NOT my president. I didn't vote for him and he never won an election (without cheating)

And just so you know, there is ZERO, I repeat, ZERO, evidence connecting 9/11 to Iraq. Even Bush agrees.

Almost all of the people taken off the registry were black, and they historically vote more in favor of Democrats.

[QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?chrisrooR

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

actually...it kind of does resemble a missle. :|

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?Dutch_Mix

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

So, because the government doesn't give you every shred of evidence automatically makes it teh conspiracy? :lol:

no, but the fact that the government is consistent at covering things up makes it a partial one. Probably mostly for propaganda.(Iraq)

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
Dutch_Mix

Blind Americans? :lol: If not believing in a documentary filled with inaccuracies, misquotes, distortions, and just plain absurdity makes me blind then so be it! :lol:

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

OregonTrailing

1. Missle don't make fireballs

2. Security camera's run at like 5 FPS

3. The terrorists brought the plane down too low and instead of hitting at an angle flew straight into it. My mom said it looked like the plane was heading straight for the parkway until they pulled up just about the ground.

4. I don't have an answer. Theres many unknowns still left but claiming the government did it is just plain dumb, until there is actual concrete proof.

1. I stand corrected.

2. No, it completely missed a frame and the video was dated September 12.

3. If they are able to fly that parallel to the ground and not skid, there is an Allah. I will become Muslim because what they did was absolutely incredible, especially for rookie pilots.

4. They denied it before until they got a doctored video.

Here is my story.

My brothers birthday is on September 13. I lived in Manhattan at the time with my mother, because I was just a child at the time. Well, my mother excluded me from school, so that we could go shopping for my brother's presents. We decided to walk around Lower Manhattan, looking for stores with items that my brother might find interesting. We were walking on Freedom Avenue, when we heard what sounded like a plane engine. We then heard a loud crash, and people screaming. We looked up at the Towers, and saw that the North Tower was on fire. One of my cousins was in the North Tower, he was an employee at one of the companies then, and my mother called him. We got no answer. She called again. Again, no answer. Again. Again. No answer. We didn't know what had happened. We asked around, no one had seen what had happened. We were clueless. Time went by, and we heard, again, what sounded like a plane engine. We were looking at the World Trade Center at this time, and saw U.A. Flight 175 fly into the South Tower. One of my other cousins, who worked in the South Tower at the time, was in there. My mother didn't try to call, I guess she already knew they were both dead. Shortly after, firefighters began to show up. My uncle was part of the FDNY, and we quickly found him, and begged him not to go in there. He said it was part of his job, that he had to do it. He went in. When the South Tower collapsed, my uncle was already out of the building, so we knew he was alive. My cousin was nowhere to be found. He would never be found. My uncle went into the North Tower, figuring there was still many, many people inside. He went to rescue them. When the North Tower fell, he was not with us. We eventually found his body, along with my cousins, side by side. He tried to carry him out. A piece of rubble from the fallen Tower, hit me on my arm, nearly tearing it off. Another hit my head, knocking me almost unconscience. That day, I lost 4 relatives, most of the feeling in my left arm, and my spirit was crushed beyond repair. That is my story.

newyork_graffit

This reeks of being a contrived ploy for sympathy. Uncle's and cousin's bodies laying side by side? Arm nearly torn off and then almostbeing knocked unconcious?

Try a little harder.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?mig_killer2

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

actually...it kind of does resemble a missle. :|

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?GarchomPro

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

My mom was across the street! Even before she knew it was terrorism, she called me and said an American Airlines jet hit the pentagon! You people just ignore anyone who present facts.

a personal experience isn't a fact unless it is provided with proof.:|

"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

I have more if you want them!

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
GarchomPro

Blind Americans? :lol: If not believing in a documentary filled with inaccuracies, misquotes, distortions, and just plain absurdity makes me blind then so be it! :lol:

Loose Change... and all of its revisions! :lol:

Hmm...

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?serjitup

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

Seen that.

- The fireball is that of a missile, not a plane, and even if it was - why are there no explosion marks on the lawn?Perhaps they were doctored
- The video skips a frame
- That does not look like a 757 - a 757 flying that low?!?
- Why did the Pentagon DENY videos of the attacks before?

That video is faker than the Osama tapes.

What about the dozens of eye-witnesses that claim they saw a plane hit the Pentagon? :|

what about the video footage that was take of this so-called 'plane' from across the street at the hotel. It was all destroyed or taken by government officials. :|

My mom was across the street! Even before she knew it was terrorism, she called me and said an American Airlines jet hit the pentagon! You people just ignore anyone who present facts.

a personal experience isn't a fact unless it is provided with proof.:|

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?mig_killer2

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

actually...it kind of does resemble a missle. :|

hey, i'm just saying that it looks an AWFUL lot like a missile.

especially creating a hole like that ^^ :|

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?GarchomPro

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

actually...it kind of does resemble a missle. :|

No debris?

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
Dutch_Mix

Blind Americans? :lol: If not believing in a documentary filled with inaccuracies, misquotes, distortions, and just plain absurdity makes me blind then so be it! :lol:

Loose Change... and all of its revisions! :lol:

[QUOTE="way2funny"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="way2funny"][QUOTE="newyork_graffit"]

Well, if you are not American, don't respond to the remarks about the president. If you are American, don't you dare insult the President of the United States. If you live in America, he is YOUR president, and you have no right to insult Bush.

cpo335

I have all the right to insult Bush. Did my family vote for Bush? no, but we are stuck with him wether we like it or not. Just cause he is the president doesnt give him special privalages, even though he has them. Just because certain people dont like the current president, that gives you no reason to tell them get out of America. Saying that just makes you really ignorant.

Not to say i support 9-11 or anything, because i recognize that it was a horrible event and i feel terrible for what happened, but that has nothing to do with our president, and anyone has the right to critisize him anyway they see fit. Its called the first amendment, freedom of speech.

Saying that just makes you really ignorant.

Its called using the arguers logic to defeat their arguement. Why should the president get special privalages? The free world? most of the world isnt free.

I didnt say people cant tell me, i said it gives them no reason to.

And most of the world isn't free? About half the world isn't free and about half the world is free, give or take a few countries. Most of the countries that arn't free are in Asia and Africa, but the countries that are free are on the western hemisphere and Europe. Now I said leader of the free world, not leader of a free world. I was specifically stating that he is the leader of the countries that are free, not the entire world.

Your logic FTL.

Listen im not here to argue (but i guess im going to havve to), im here to simply state my opinions. I could care less how much people take them into consideration.

Im just going to say just cause hes a president of the united states, doesnt mean hes the best person in the world that everyone should look up to.

Thats what i meant by special privalages. Just cause hes the president, doesnt mean hes the best, as some of people are making him out to be. Of course he gets certain powers, its his job. To conclude this im just going to say not every does the best job at what their doing, and I believe Bush didnt do the best job he could have done during his presidency. Really, i think he did a poor job thats inexcusable.

Als, to respond to the bold. Opposing right? doesnt the USA have nuclear weapons? so what gives the united states the right to have those type of weapons and making it morally wrong for another country to have them. Think about it this way, switch the table. An opposing nation has nuclear weapons, and you dont. You are going to feel threatened.

Listen im not trying to make Bush the bad guy, but i dont think hes really a good guy either. I really dont want this arguement to get personal cause it shouldnt be. I respect you viewpoint. Everyone has a different one.

Anyway guys, have a good night, im going to bed.

All the conspiracy theorist please read THIS.OregonTrailing

Im scanning and Im already finding falsehoods. For example:

Why are there no burn or scrape marks?

Why is it so far from the impact point?

Why is it so small it can be picked up by hand?

Looks like plane debris to me. Then again, I'm sure you all truly believe it is either A) Photoshoped in or B) Secret government agents dressed all in camoflauge, drove up in a huge truck full of scrap parts from the same plane, unseen, and spread parts everywhere, including into the smoldering building, in a matter of minutes. Seems reasonable.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Can anyone show me debris from the plane that SUPPOSEDLY hit the Pentagon?chrisrooR

My mom works literally across the street from the Pentagon. She was outside facing the Pentagon when it happened. She actually saw the plane heading straight for thr Pentagon and the ensuing chaos. She called me and told me she saw an American Airlines jet crash. YOU FAIL.

Witnesses mean nothing without documentary proof. If a plane the magnititude of a 757 hit the Pentagon, there would be significant debris. Even the damage looks it imploded.

So your calling my mom a liar?

How about this:

actually...it kind of does resemble a missle. :|

hey, i'm just saying that it looks an AWFUL lot like a missile.

especially creating a hole like that ^^ :|

[QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]All the conspiracy theorist please read THIS.AHUGECAT

Im scanning and Im already finding falsehoods. For example:

Why are there no burn or scrape marks?

Why is it so far from the impact point?

Why is it so small it can be picked up by hand?

But I thought it was a missle? Missle usually don't have AA markings on them...

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Believe it or not 9/11 was a plot to gain access to the middle east with the excuse of " War " it was not some plan cooked up by some guy in a cave, sure they might of had some part in it, but either way the Bush Administration was the true evil behind it all.

(Prepares to get flamed by blind Americans)
GarchomPro

Blind Americans? :lol: If not believing in a documentary filled with inaccuracies, misquotes, distortions, and just plain absurdity makes me blind then so be it! :lol:

Loose Change... and all of its revisions! :lol:

You just made my point for me. I'm not arguing my opinion against yours. I'm argueing the facts against your opinion. :lol:

a missile coulden't have created that hole. it was created when the fire burned through the cementmig_killer2

I'm pretty sure it's already been proven that it's from the landing gear.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]

[QUOTE="newyork_graffit"]First of all, don't call me dude. Second of all, he is your president. You don't like him, big deal, leave America. He is everyone's president, shut your mouth. The reason we are in Iraq, is because he attacking the terrorists. Even liberal yuppies know that al-Qaeda influence is largest in Iraq. You can say it's for oil, you can say it's for his own pleasure, I don't care. He is your president, he is every American's president. You don't like it, big deal, get out of America.OregonTrailing

Bush is NOT my president. I didn't vote for him and he never won an election (without cheating)

And just so you know, there is ZERO, I repeat, ZERO, evidence connecting 9/11 to Iraq. Even Bush agrees.

Almost all of the people taken off the registry were black, and they historically vote more in favor of Democrats.

so just because of their different voting opinions they should be completely wiped from voting? gtfo. It is the most respected freedom next to the freedom of speech.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="OregonTrailing"]All the conspiracy theorist please read THIS.OregonTrailing

Im scanning and Im already finding falsehoods. For example:

Why are there no burn or scrape marks?

Why is it so far from the impact point?

Why is it so small it can be picked up by hand?

But I thought it was a missle? Missle usually don't have AA markings on them...