The United States vs The United Kingdom

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#451 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] You dense? Freedom and Christianity does not coexist. Ex. gay marriage. I suppose you're right. All you need to do to prove to your god you love him is to get down on your knees every night.

That is based on tradition..note that gays are allowed to live freely and do what they wish with themselves in America, a completely Christian country. Now compare this to India, the Middle East, and China.

Sorry, meant mostly. And many Jews and Muslims are opposed to this as well. Is America a completely Christian country? Or is it that it's not an entirely Christian country, and the subsequent outrage over contraception/gay marriage/abortion comes from those with said religious background?

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#452 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] They are allowed to do whatever they wish dude...and I was pointing out that you should be really angry at those other areas rather than the U.S. if you're talking about issues regarding freedom.kingkong0124

They can't marry. Sure there are countries that are worse, but not being the worst doesn't mean you're great.

Marriages are fundamentally religious institutions.. for some reason the government decided to get involved in that (which I don't necessarily agree with), but still.

Freedom of religion. By not allowing them to marry you are oppressing their religious beliefs and the beliefs of many people who's religions/churches do allow same sex marriage.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]They can't marry. Sure there are countries that are worse, but not being the worst doesn't mean you're great.

toast_burner

Marriages are fundamentally religious institutions.. for some reason the government decided to get involved in that (which I don't necessarily agree with), but still.

Freedom of religion. By not allowing them to marry you are oppressing their religious beliefs and the beliefs of many people who's religions/churches do allow same sex marriage.

Most religions are against homosexuality dude...Also, using your logic, Islamic believers should be allowed to practice polygamy b/c of freedom of religion.

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#454 Agent-Zero
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Who won the war for Independence? Who saved who's ass in WW2? Exactly.
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#455 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Who won the war for Independence? Who saved who's ass in WW2? Exactly.Agent-Zero

The battle of Britain ended before America joined world war 2. I'm not sure how they saved the British's arses.

Sure their if America didn't join it might have turned out differently, but it's impossible to predict what would have happened.

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I love how many people on here are pro-same sex marriage but not polygamy...I'm against same-sex marriage for the same reason I'm against polygamy.

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I love how many people on here are pro-same sex marriage but not polygamy...I'm against same-sex marriage for the same reason I'm against polygamy.

kingkong0124

Who said I oppose polygamy?

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#458 OmenUK
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Who won the war for Independence? Who saved who's ass in WW2? Exactly.Agent-Zero


Who got their ass handed to them in Vietnam without British support?
WHo failed to support their "allies" against the Argentinians in the Falklands
Who started two wars for OIL by lying to their own people firstly, and then to other governments?
Who are the most hated nation on the planet?

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#459 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I love how many people on here are pro-same sex marriage but not polygamy...I'm against same-sex marriage for the same reason I'm against polygamy.

toast_burner

Who said I oppose polygamy?

So you would allow polygamy? Why aren't you going on a "polygamy parade"? I'm sure those Muslims feel very persecuted right now..oh wait..they're not the ones complaining, you guys are.
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I love how many people on here are pro-same sex marriage but not polygamy...I'm against same-sex marriage for the same reason I'm against polygamy.

kingkong0124

Who said I oppose polygamy?

So you would allow polygamy? Why aren't you going on a "polygamy parade"? I'm sure those Muslims feel very persecuted right now..oh wait..they're not the ones complaining, you guys are.

Because unlike homosexuality polygamy is a complicated issue with some legitimate concerns.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Who said I oppose polygamy?

toast_burner

So you would allow polygamy? Why aren't you going on a "polygamy parade"? I'm sure those Muslims feel very persecuted right now..oh wait..they're not the ones complaining, you guys are.

Because unlike homosexuality polygamy is a complicated issue with some legitimate concerns.

Like what?

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Who said I oppose polygamy?

toast_burner

So you would allow polygamy? Why aren't you going on a "polygamy parade"? I'm sure those Muslims feel very persecuted right now..oh wait..they're not the ones complaining, you guys are.

Because unlike homosexuality polygamy is a complicated issue with some legitimate concerns.

I agree that it has legitimate concerns, but according to most social liberals it's okay as long as all the parties involved give their consent. I don't think it's right, as marriage traditionally has been between 2 people: 1 man, and 1 woman. I find it funny how you guys are the ones with the persecution complex. Muslims, who think that polygamy is a good thing in accordance with their religion, are not the ones crying out about "civil rights" issues or that it is against the religious beliefs..funny how that works. When's the last time you saw an Islamic polygamy parade?

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#463 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="OmenUK"]WHo failed to support their "allies" against the Argentinians in the Falklands Who started two wars for OIL by lying to their own people firstly, and then to other governments?

I really hope you're joking...
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Religious people are not even remotely analytic. l4dak47

Are you really that dense?

No.

lol, yes you are.
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#465 hippiesanta
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been to UK and US... but best country in the world is Japan and Australia........ been there done that
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#466 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Both have crappy food (the British have THE WORST food, of course)... So, I'm going with the country that gave us Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Venom, Iron Maiden and all that good stuff.

HoolaHoopMan

American food is terrible . At least we have black pudding, Haggis,Chicken Tikka Masala, and the full english.

Are you kidding? American food is damn good, and saying English food is better lol.

To be honest, by South European standards both are pretty bad.

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I'd probably go with countries like Japan, Australia, Canada etc. Places where there is opportunity - along with great healthcare, education, quality of life etc. The couple of times I have been to the USA have been nice, but I wouldn't want to live there, maybe the New England area. Definitely not the West Coast. I think I just don't like Americanism. I love the UK - especially its history, but there is nothing fantastic about it - it was nice, not great. (Not necessarily saying Japan, Australia and Canada etc are fantastic)
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#468 Skarwolf
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The U.K. doesn't have a host of its millitary personnel stationed in other countries indefinitely and doesn't have a habit of sticking its nose in the business of other countries.

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lol... history much ?
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been to UK and US... but best country in the world is Japan and Australia........ been there done thathippiesanta

Best for what?

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#470 Hexagon_777
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I'd probably go with countries like Japan, Australia, Canada etc. Places where there is opportunity - along with great healthcare, education, quality of life etc. The couple of times I have been to the USA have been nice, but I wouldn't want to live there, maybe the New England area. Definitely not the West Coast. I think I just don't like Americanism. I love the UK - especially its history, but there is nothing fantastic about it - it was nice, not great. (Not necessarily saying Japan, Australia and Canada etc are fantastic)Fire_Emblem_RD
What about places like Austria? Vienna is regularly voted as having the highest standard of living in the world, Austria has some of the highest paid salaries, and it has the lowest rate of unemployment in the EU last I read.

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They both overestimate their importance.
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[QUOTE="Fire_Emblem_RD"]I'd probably go with countries like Japan, Australia, Canada etc. Places where there is opportunity - along with great healthcare, education, quality of life etc. The couple of times I have been to the USA have been nice, but I wouldn't want to live there, maybe the New England area. Definitely not the West Coast. I think I just don't like Americanism. I love the UK - especially its history, but there is nothing fantastic about it - it was nice, not great. (Not necessarily saying Japan, Australia and Canada etc are fantastic)Hexagon_777

What about places like Austria? Vienna is regularly voted as having the highest standard of living in the world, Austria has some of the highest paid salaries, and it has the lowest rate of unemployment in the EU last I read.

Also one of the highest tax rates in the world.

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#473 thebest31406
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The UK is far and beyond a better country for all the reasons that the OP said. I also want to add that the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country on earth, which is used as a method of free labour (slavery).
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#474 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Fire_Emblem_RD"]I'd probably go with countries like Japan, Australia, Canada etc. Places where there is opportunity - along with great healthcare, education, quality of life etc. The couple of times I have been to the USA have been nice, but I wouldn't want to live there, maybe the New England area. Definitely not the West Coast. I think I just don't like Americanism. I love the UK - especially its history, but there is nothing fantastic about it - it was nice, not great. (Not necessarily saying Japan, Australia and Canada etc are fantastic)Storm_Marine
What about places like Austria? Vienna is regularly voted as having the highest standard of living in the world, Austria has some of the highest paid salaries, and it has the lowest rate of unemployment in the EU last I read.

Also one of the highest tax rates in the world.

Yea, and it seems to be helping!

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Best for what?

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Fvckin' off.

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[QUOTE="Postmortem123"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Speaking as a U.S. citizen, all I can say is the U.S. is really, really, really sh*tty in many ways. l4dak47

What's so bad about it? I've been to the U.S a couple times and it was pretty awesome.

Education sucks, healthcare system is woefully bad, our politicians are fvcking god-awful, waaaaay too many fundies in this place, dumb laws, we keep losing more and more rights and freedoms, and I can go on forever. The only thing the U.S. is good at is bombing brown people. Not exactly an honorable thing.

well we(the UK) arent that much better

especially with our immigration laws

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[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

British fries > American fries, so the UK. (I said fries so americans wouldn't get confused)

BranKetra

Don't they call them chips over there?

We do, yes :)

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Back when I took a vacation in the UK, the immigration and customs officer asked me aas to my intentions. They ask if you plan on finding work or staying for any long period of time. The Brits do not want people coming in and taking jobs from nationals. Canada required a $150 CAD for a work permit that is ony good for 34 days then you have to leave. If you go to a different job site, you have to leave for the night and go back the next day and pay another $150 CAD (though as a contractor, I get that money back and is ultimately paid for by the end customer).

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Postmortem123"]

What's so bad about it? I've been to the U.S a couple times and it was pretty awesome.

sexyweapons

Education sucks, healthcare system is woefully bad, our politicians are fvcking god-awful, waaaaay too many fundies in this place, dumb laws, we keep losing more and more rights and freedoms, and I can go on forever. The only thing the U.S. is good at is bombing brown people. Not exactly an honorable thing.

well we(the UK) arent that much better

especially with our immigration laws

you know something is wrong when a type of curry is considered British...
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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Education sucks, healthcare system is woefully bad, our politicians are fvcking god-awful, waaaaay too many fundies in this place, dumb laws, we keep losing more and more rights and freedoms, and I can go on forever. The only thing the U.S. is good at is bombing brown people. Not exactly an honorable thing. kingkong0124

well we(the UK) arent that much better

especially with our immigration laws

you know something is wrong when a type of curry is considered British...

LOL!

But true

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]What about places like Austria? Vienna is regularly voted as having the highest standard of living in the world, Austria has some of the highest paid salaries, and it has the lowest rate of unemployment in the EU last I read.Hexagon_777

Also one of the highest tax rates in the world.

Yea, and it seems to be helping!

Helping what? What's so special about Austria that would justify them taking half my income every year?

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[QUOTE="OmenUK"]WHo failed to support their "allies" against the Argentinians in the Falklands Who started two wars for OIL by lying to their own people firstly, and then to other governments?Jebus213
I really hope you're joking...


over which part?

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="OmenUK"]WHo failed to support their "allies" against the Argentinians in the Falklands Who started two wars for OIL by lying to their own people firstly, and then to other governments?OmenUK

I really hope you're joking...


over which part?

The Falklands and the 2 wars for oil.
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I want to go back to London. Enjoyed the pubs --- and going back to the same pub the morning after to murder my headache with a godly full English breakfast.
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British fries > American fries, so the UK. (I said fries so americans wouldn't get confused)

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im sorry, but steak and shake fries are to die for. i prefer long and skinny fries as they are crunchier and cook better. big british "chips" arent very good to me.
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yep

asdf

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[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

British fries > American fries, so the UK. (I said fries so americans wouldn't get confused)

taterfrickintot

im sorry, but steak and shake fries are to die for. i prefer long and skinny fries as they are crunchier and cook better. big british "chips" arent very good to me.

Steak and Shake does have the best fries ever. Their milk shakes are good too.

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#488 taterfrickintot
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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

British fries > American fries, so the UK. (I said fries so americans wouldn't get confused)

WhiteKnight77

im sorry, but steak and shake fries are to die for. i prefer long and skinny fries as they are crunchier and cook better. big british "chips" arent very good to me.

Steak and Shake does have the best fries ever. Their milk shakes are good too.

i feel like going there now....
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US has more geographic and ethnic diversity, along with a lot of great cities. UK is great as well, but I'm biased. I think personally like to live in Norway or Finland though
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USA
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]Also one of the highest tax rates in the world.Storm_Marine

Yea, and it seems to be helping!

Helping what? What's so special about Austria that would justify them taking half my income every year?

It's only 50% after a certain income level is reached. Otherwise, everything that's been mentioned, which seems to be more than the others have going for them from what I can tell.

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Yea, and it seems to be helping!

Hexagon_777

Helping what? What's so special about Austria that would justify them taking half my income every year?

It's only 50% after a certain income level is reached.

Like I said....half my income.

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#493 deactivated-598fc45371265
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Helping what? What's so special about Austria that would justify them taking half my income every year?

Storm_Marine

It's only 50% after a certain income level is reached.

Like I said....half my income.

And long story short. If I moved to Austria instead of...say...Singapore. I'd lose around USD$40,000 every year. And like I said, what makes Austria so special that I could justify losing that not-so-small amount?

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Helping what? What's so special about Austria that would justify them taking half my income every year?

Storm_Marine

It's only 50% after a certain income level is reached.

Like I said....half my income.

To be fair; everything after ~60k would be taxed 50%, the first 60k would still fall in lower brackets.
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]It's only 50% after a certain income level is reached.

MrPraline

Like I said....half my income.

To be fair; everything after ~60k would be taxed 50%, the first 60k would still fall in lower brackets.

Oh? I thought it was a flat 50% if you make above 60,000 euros?

This is slightly better I suppose. What are the lower brackets?

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#496 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Like I said....half my income.

Storm_Marine

To be fair; everything after ~60k would be taxed 50%, the first 60k would still fall in lower brackets.

Oh? I thought it was a flat 50% if you make above 60,000 euros? This is slightly better I suppose. What are the lower brackets?

Hm, not an expert on their taxation system but mostly going off on what other Euro countries (including my own, which has a 52% top bracket) do. Found this. The other brackets are still high for my liking, though.
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I'm back just to echo my past sentiments: Canada > both

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Depends on for what i think
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UK is cool and all, I just wish our weather wasnt so Shyte.

But I think OP is looking us through rose tinted shades

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] To be fair; everything after ~60k would be taxed 50%, the first 60k would still fall in lower brackets.MrPraline

Oh? I thought it was a flat 50% if you make above 60,000 euros? This is slightly better I suppose. What are the lower brackets?

Hm, not an expert on their taxation system but mostly going off on what other Euro countries (including my own, which has a 52% top bracket) do. Found this. The other brackets are still high for my liking, though.

Either way I still get screwed.