There is irrefutable evidence that the christian god doesnt exist!!

The christian god is omnipotent and omniscient. Look up the meaning of these if you are not aware.

The christian god is supposed to be involved and concerned with the lives of human beings and is supposed to love them. Are you aware how this god treated early humans?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdCC-XEYt-Q

Replace the buffalo with a human and there you are. And such situations would obviously be unaviodable for many people as they didnt have the necessary tools to protect themselves at all times and the omnipotent god apparantly left them all alone to get eaten alive.

Would you throw your one year old baby into a lion cage? If you wont then how can you worship the abrahimic god? Because this is the same thing, god was all powerful like the parent and the early human was powerless like the baby!

If you are going to say that god isnt capable of doing anything about it then that is flatly contradicting the bible god who is omnipotent so you obviously believe in some other god.

If you are going to say that good cannot happen without bad and that suffering is necessary for happiness to exist then please point me what exactly did we get by the brutal torture of that buffalo?

This video is just one example of millions of brutal suffering that goes daily in the natural world. What more evidence do you need that the abrahimic god doesnt exist? It is impossible to emperically prove the non-existence of anything, but just because of that are we always going to be modest and show irrational respect? Will we continue to let our fears and desires overcome our perception of reality?

A god may exist but a personal loving omnipotent god almost certainly does not exist which is exactly what the christian/abrahamic god is...

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

vidplayer8

This :P

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

TheMightyHoov

This :P

Same here :lol:

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

vidplayer8

So his irrefutable evidence is that we humans do horrible things to each other, animals, and our planet and God doesn't do anything to stop it? No, that's one of the weakest arguments against God IMO. The Bible and just about every other spiritual text in History has made it clear that we are given FREE WILL to make the choices we want to make and that God is not going to interfere and take that free will away. I wont get into any debates about whether I think we'll be judged for those choices, cause this is not the thread for that discussion. However, you should know that using the fact that humans do horrible things to each other and God doesn't stop as an argument for his nonexistence is a ridiculous argument.

A god may exist but a personal loving omnipotent god almost certainly does not exist which is exactly what the christian/abrahamic god is...

Gambler_3

If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?clayron

Apparently, maybe we can turn this topic into a YLYL thread. it's off to a good start :P At least it made me laugh, but I'm wierd like that.

If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?clayron

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this argument has been abused to death already.

If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?clayron

So you met God? What did he say? What did he look like?

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

Also nice sig TC lol

[QUOTE="clayron"]If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?Assassin1349

i agree with the OP because i know Zeus and the olympians are real, and the christian god is not (and my made up stroys are 100 times cooler)

well i wouldnt go as far to say that there is irrefutable evidence that GOD doesn't exist......

I'm not saying that I'm a believer, but i think a topic like: "There is NO irrefutable evidence that the christian god exists" would be more logical. Now that is a topic i would agree with. but you're missing the whole point of religion. Its basically blind faith. Most religions believe everything that a MAN wrote in some sort of book. Personally i think most of these "prophets" are/were just a little bit crazy and make things up and write it in books. how people believe that these people "spoke to god" i dont really understand...... everyone just needs to admit they dont KNOW if there is a god, you either believe or you dont. but you cant say there is proof that something doesnt exist. There is LACK of proof that many things exist (Santa, Easterbunny, bigfoot, boogyman, etc), but just because you cant prove they exist, doesnt mean you have proof they dont exist.

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

Daxo90

Exactly this. Main reason I believe that God is not as vengeful and wrathful as many religions make him out to be. He wouldn't allow so many other huge faiths to have grown and develop with many faithful followers if he was going to come back and say, "nope you all didn't believe in me the right way, so you all are going to burn." I don't agree with that. But again, the ridiculousness of TC's argument is laughable at best. I consider myself a Christian, but even I have a hard time with some of our doctrines. I really just label myself as a follower of God, cause once you declare a religion you declare everyone else to be wrong who believes differently, and I don't think that's true.

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

Daxo90

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="clayron"]If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?xscrapzx

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

Also nice sig TC lol

Daxo90

This is not true at all. There are many people who were not raised in a religious home that decided later in life to become religious. There are other ways someone would decide (not just how they were raised)

[QUOTE="clayron"] He's saying a loving/personal God doesn't exist. It's probably true. Every day something, somewhere, goes wrong and their beloved God is ever absent. The love just isn't there. Assassin1349

[QUOTE="clayron"]If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?Assassin1349

I guess you have never heard of the devil

I'm still trying to figure out why people feel the need to take potshots at others Faith..

I'm still trying to figure out why people feel the need to take potshots at others Faith..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"] He's saying a loving/personal God doesn't exist. It's probably true. Every day something, somewhere, goes wrong and their beloved God is ever absent. The love just isn't there. Assassin1349

[QUOTE="clayron"]If I am getting your point correctly, you're saying that because bad things happen to people God doesn't exist?Assassin1349

They have faith that there is something with higher power than us. The bible never really actually described what God is. He's not a human, he's not a thing, he's the creation of everything.

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

MystikFollower

So his irrefutable evidence is that we humans do horrible things to each other, animals, and our planet and God doesn't do anything to stop it? No, that's one of the weakest arguments against God IMO. The Bible and just about every other spiritual text in History has made it clear that we are given FREE WILL to make the choices we want to make and that God is not going to interfere and take that free will away. I wont get into any debates about whether I think we'll be judged for those choices, cause this is not the thread for that discussion. However, you should know that using the fact that humans do horrible things to each other and God doesn't stop as an argument for his nonexistence is a ridiculous argument.

Why do animals suffer? And why do animals brutally torture humans? What's the point of suffering at the hands of animals? They dont have free will...

They have faith that there is something with higher power than us. The bible never really actually described what God is. He's not a human, he's not a thing, he's the creation of everything.

Gaming-Planet

[QUOTE="Daxo90"]

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

xscrapzx

I was raised Christian so I know it's not completely true since I am now 100% atheist. But the point still remains that you are majorly influenced by the religion you were raised with as a child. If you where born in Ancient Greece you would most likely be worshiping Zeus right now and the idea of it being regarded as mythology 2000 years into the future would seem impossible.

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Too bad thats not what God is nor was he ever ment to be no matter what religion you are. God's duty isn't to sit and control everyone and what one does because if that was the case we wouldn't have free will. xscrapzx

And very few people (due to the mass unconsciousness of the world) actually realize that we do have a huge part in creating our realities (science actually supports that) and that our reality is based on our personal consciousness, and the collective consciousness of the world. When you have a very dark and dangerously unconscious collective, creating their reality, it's going to lead to many bad things. If you need proof of that just look at Human history. The collective consciousness has a bigger hand in causing mass death and destruction than anything God could send our way. He set up the laws of the Universe specifically and the Laws of cause and effect, so he's not going to violate those laws to save us when we cause harm to ourselves and wonder why the world is such a messed up place. People love to live in blind denial and place the blame on an immaterial entity.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Daxo90"]

Expect people to come in and say freewill... I don't believe in Christianity but this does not prove god does not exist in the end.. If your born in a Catholic Irish family you believe in God, If your born into a Iraq Muslim family you believe in Allah, If your born in Nepal you worship Rama and if you were born in Thailand you follow Buddha the only thing that makes you believe in a certain religion is what you where conditioned to believe in as a child by your parents.

I was raised Christian so I know it's not completely true since I am now 100% atheist. But the point still remains that you are majorly influenced by the religion you were raised with as a child if you where born in Ancient Greece you would most likely be worshiping Zeus right now and the idea of it being regarded as mythology 2000 years into the future would seem impossible.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

Gambler_3

So his irrefutable evidence is that we humans do horrible things to each other, animals, and our planet and God doesn't do anything to stop it? No, that's one of the weakest arguments against God IMO. The Bible and just about every other spiritual text in History has made it clear that we are given FREE WILL to make the choices we want to make and that God is not going to interfere and take that free will away. I wont get into any debates about whether I think we'll be judged for those choices, cause this is not the thread for that discussion. However, you should know that using the fact that humans do horrible things to each other and God doesn't stop as an argument for his nonexistence is a ridiculous argument.

Why do animals suffer? And why do animals brutally torture humans? What's the point of suffering at the hands of animals? They dont have free will...

It's nature. You should watch the Lion King sometime. A little something called, the Circle of Life. You're basing your entire argument on the idea also that this physical existence is all their is to our lives. If we have an eternity of absolute love and knowing to experience, and endless different forms of life to experience (since that IS the point of life, to evolve and experience), then this one little life becomes pretty meaningless. The world is dominated by mind rather than consciousness so that's why you see the world you do.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"] I'm actually not even talking about the atrocities human commit. God has permitted nature itself to kill us with diseases and the planets own tools of disaster. Apparently he loves to hate a lot of people too. MystikFollower

And very few people (due to the mass unconsciousness of the world) actually realize that we do have a huge part in creating our realities (science actually supports that) and that our reality is based on our personal consciousness, and the collective consciousness of the world. When you have a very dark and dangerously unconscious collective, creating their reality, it's going to lead to many bad things. If you need proof of that just look at Human history. The collective consciousness has a bigger hand in causing mass death and destruction than anything God could send our way. He set up the laws of the Universe specifically and the Laws of cause and effect, so he's not going to violate those laws to save us when we cause harm to ourselves and wonder why the world is such a messed up place. People love to live in blind denial and place the blame on an immaterial entity.

Only Chirstian? You should replace it by all regligions.pspdseagle

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Not so true, because I was born Catholic and that does not mean I don't question some things and have found my own way to believe in Christ or God for that matter. Its called faith.lordreaven

I was raised Christian so I know it's not completely true since I am now 100% atheist. But the point still remains that you are majorly influenced by the religion you were raised with as a child if you where born in Ancient Greece you would most likely be worshiping Zeus right now and the idea of it being regarded as mythology 2000 years into the future would seem impossible.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] I wouldn't say there is hatred, but a balance. If there is no balance then there is nothing, if there is nothing then there is no life.Assassin1349

And very few people (due to the mass unconsciousness of the world) actually realize that we do have a huge part in creating our realities (science actually supports that) and that our reality is based on our personal consciousness, and the collective consciousness of the world. When you have a very dark and dangerously unconscious collective, creating their reality, it's going to lead to many bad things. If you need proof of that just look at Human history. The collective consciousness has a bigger hand in causing mass death and destruction than anything God could send our way. He set up the laws of the Universe specifically and the Laws of cause and effect, so he's not going to violate those laws to save us when we cause harm to ourselves and wonder why the world is such a messed up place. People love to live in blind denial and place the blame on an immaterial entity.

I agree with the idea that the God of the Bible has been misinterpreted and misrepresented many times throughout History. I believe every faith is probably pointing to the same God, and that he is an absolute creator. I do believe he's an unconditionally loving Being however, and that all our ideas about how vengeful and wrathful he can become is a mythology. The actual creator is probably much more simple in nature, simple yet infinitely complex. I can't fathom the mind that could create such a Universe with mere consciousness.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Only Chirstian? You should replace it by all regligions.THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Daxo90"]

I was raised Christian so I know it's not completely true since I am now 100% atheist. But the point still remains that you are majorly influenced by the religion you were raised with as a child if you where born in Ancient Greece you would most likely be worshiping Zeus right now and the idea of it being regarded as mythology 2000 years into the future would seem impossible.

Theokhoth

So basically the world would need to be perfect for God to exist?clayron

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

And very few people (due to the mass unconsciousness of the world) actually realize that we do have a huge part in creating our realities (science actually supports that) and that our reality is based on our personal consciousness, and the collective consciousness of the world. When you have a very dark and dangerously unconscious collective, creating their reality, it's going to lead to many bad things. If you need proof of that just look at Human history. The collective consciousness has a bigger hand in causing mass death and destruction than anything God could send our way. He set up the laws of the Universe specifically and the Laws of cause and effect, so he's not going to violate those laws to save us when we cause harm to ourselves and wonder why the world is such a messed up place. People love to live in blind denial and place the blame on an immaterial entity.

MystikFollower

I agree with the idea that the God of the Bible has been misinterpreted and misrepresented many times throughout History. I believe every faith is probably pointing to the same God, and that he is an absolute creator. I do believe he's an unconditionally loving Being however, and that all our ideas about how vengeful and wrathful he can become is a mythology. The actual creator is probably much more simple in nature, simple yet infinitely complex. I can't fathom the mind that could create such a Universe with mere consciousness.

So, You think God can just Snap his fingers and all evil will disappear magically? Wow.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Daxo90"]

I was raised Christian so I know it's not completely true since I am now 100% atheist. But the point still remains that you are majorly influenced by the religion you were raised with as a child if you where born in Ancient Greece you would most likely be worshiping Zeus right now and the idea of it being regarded as mythology 2000 years into the future would seem impossible.

Theokhoth

Yes I noticed that don't really know how to phrase it properly since its 1am and my brain is taking a break atm

No, people haven't been saying the exact same nonsense you just spouted since Epicurus. You're completely original.Theokhoth

It's a natural argument, you dont have to read anything on it to realise it, I didnt...

More like it's the same nonsense that religions havnt been able to answer for centuries.:lol: