There is one little simple question atheism can't answer...

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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

But you don't know that, that's only what you claim. The symbolic cop out you're making was only made after sciencetific discoveries were made that completely contradicted what the Bible said for isntance. Many religious people would disagree with you as well as let you know there's a special place in hell for you. You stated that religion does not contradict science, and I have pointed out where it specifically does for at least a very large portion of the population (considering the examples I gave). This point still stands.

Please try to be more clear about what you're saying in the second bold.

KeitekeTokage

OT not NT miracles. Cite my sources? I don't exist only online you know. A little study is not wrong.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not a claim. It's how it's taught. Most of the information presented in religious threads here is not based on understanding the source material. And one cannot have a discussion when the misinformation is the only information that's accepted.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]OT not NT miracles. Cite my sources? I don't exist only online you know. A little study is not wrong.xaos

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] Please cite your sources that many things in the Bible were meant to be symbolic. You're claiming right now that things such as the seven day creation, the flood, jesus walking on water, turning water to wine, etc were meant to be SYMBOLIC. Cite sources, or you're making yourself look silly. Are you just going to tell me "its supposed to be symbolic because I say so"?BranKetra

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not a claim. It's how it's taught. Most of the information presented in religious threads here is not based on understanding the source material. And one cannot have a discussion when the misinformation is the only information that's accepted.

LJS9502_basic

LJ, we've now had an entire page of posts entirely stemming from your insistence that I wrote "the" instead of "a".

I don't know whether to cry or to be impressed.

GabuEx

I feel your pain.

OMG sources! :oKeitekeTokage

GET OUTTA HERE!

:P

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not a claim. It's how it's taught. Most of the information presented in religious threads here is not based on understanding the source material. And one cannot have a discussion when the misinformation is the only information that's accepted.

LJS9502_basic

What exactly is the difference between OT and NT miracles as far as literal interpretation and symbolism are concerned?

LOL, so lets start LJ. Is the flood meant to be symbolic? If so, how do you know its meant to be symbolic? Did you seriously just tell me that you're not going to cite your sources for the claim that its meant to be symbolic and was never meant to be taken literally. There are some Christians who think it IS meant to be symbolic, but I'd say a larger amount think it IS meant to be literally true. I'll try to actually find SOURCES for that claim, something you seem to lazy to do. But anyway, lets just start with the flood. Is that symbolic LJ?

KeitekeTokage

Where are your getting the information that most Christians take it literally? Fundamentalists take the Bible literally but theyare not the majority.

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] OMG sources! :oTeenaged

GET OUTTA HERE!

:P

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

LOL, so lets start LJ. Is the flood meant to be symbolic? If so, how do you know its meant to be symbolic? Did you seriously just tell me that you're not going to cite your sources for the claim that its meant to be symbolic and was never meant to be taken literally. There are some Christians who think it IS meant to be symbolic, but I'd say a larger amount think it IS meant to be literally true. I'll try to actually find SOURCES for that claim, something you seem to lazy to do. But anyway, lets just start with the flood. Is that symbolic LJ?

LJS9502_basic

Where are your getting the information that most Christians take it literally? Fundamentalists take the Bible literally but theyare not the majority.

Theist - "We can't figure it out. We don't know. Hey you, atheist! YOU figure it out!"

:roll: This makes sense.

I said my sources are not from online. There is a world of information to be read in the world. I'm sure the information could be online if one searched for it. I did not learnonline though.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] Please cite your sources that many things in the Bible were meant to be symbolic. You're claiming right now that things such as the seven day creation, the flood, jesus walking on water, turning water to wine, etc were meant to be SYMBOLIC. Cite sources, or you're making yourself look silly. Are you just going to tell me "its supposed to be symbolic because I say so"?GreySeal9

What exactly is the difference between OT and NT miracles as far as literal interpretation and symbolism are concerned?

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I said my sources are not from online. There is a world of information to be read in the world. I'm sure the information could be online if one searched for it. I did not learnonline though.

xaos

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]OT not NT miracles. Cite my sources? I don't exist only online you know. A little study is not wrong.LJS9502_basic

What exactly is the difference between OT and NT miracles as far as literal interpretation and symbolism are concerned?

Oh boy. :roll:

I didn't ask for a definition of theology. I know what theology is.

I simply asked what the difference between OT and NT is as far as the degree of literalness is concerned. Why exactly do you make that distinction? Why is the distinction important to the degree of literalness or symbolism?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]OT not NT miracles. Cite my sources? I don't exist only online you know. A little study is not wrong.LJS9502_basic

What exactly is the difference between OT and NT miracles as far as literal interpretation and symbolism are concerned?

excuse me? You said OT miracles were symbolic? Changing your position now? And right here buddy, try using the internet in front of you, it actually yields information if you put in effort: KeitekeTokage

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I said my sources are not from online. There is a world of information to be read in the world. I'm sure the information could be online if one searched for it. I did not learnonline though.

LJS9502_basic

So, you can't say anything about the sources at all? :?

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I said my sources are not from online. There is a world of information to be read in the world. I'm sure the information could be online if one searched for it. I did not learnonline though.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xaos"] It is possible to cite sources that are not websites. GreySeal9

So, you can't say anything about the sources at all? :?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yeah...and it's not like I just read it. I have years of reading information that I didn't plan on reusing so why would I memorize the sources? I'm not an encyclopedia you know. LJS9502_basic

So, you can't say anything about the sources at all? :?

What in the world are you talking about? :?

You say that you have years of reading information outside of the internet and I'm asking, can you describe these sources, give us a little sypnosis on what conclusions they came to, what evidence they used, etc?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yeah...and it's not like I just read it. I have years of reading information that I didn't plan on reusing so why would I memorize the sources? I'm not an encyclopedia you know. LJS9502_basic

So, you can't say anything about the sources at all? :?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So, you can't say anything about the sources at all? :?

xaos

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sorry for having a life outside the internet. GreySeal9

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I don't see how that response has anything at all to do with what he said; basically, just seems like an ad hominem that has nothing to do with what he askedBranKetra

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

If he has read about this stuff for years, he should be able to give a brief summary of what his sources said and why and where the sources were.

Simply saying "I have sources outside the internet but I'm not going to say anything about them at all" is not really conducive to debate.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sorry for having a life outside the internet. GreySeal9

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

GreySeal9

If he has read about this stuff for years, he should be able to give a brief summary of what his sources said and why and where the sources were.

Simply saying "I have sources outside the internet" is not really conducive to debate.

[QUOTE=""]No it's not a claim. It's how it's taught. Most of the information presented in religious threads here is not based on understanding the source material. And one cannot have a discussion when the misinformation is the only information that's accepted.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I don't see how that response has anything at all to do with what he said; basically, just seems like an ad hominem that has nothing to do with what he askedLJS9502_basic

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

You don't have to re-read everything. If you've read about this stuff for years, you can give a basic summary about what the sources said and what kind of sources they were.

BTW, your links is not working for me. I'm getting a blank page.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I don't see how that response has anything at all to do with what he said; basically, just seems like an ad hominem that has nothing to do with what he askedLJS9502_basic

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

Teenaged

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] It probably means that he doesn't have the time to read through the source material. It can take a while.LJS9502_basic

If he has read about this stuff for years, he should be able to give a brief summary of what his sources said and why and where the sources were.

Simply saying "I have sources outside the internet" is not really conducive to debate.

You don't know that at all.

I'm not asking for the exact sources. I'm simply asking for a brief summary of what conclusions the sources came to and why and what type of sources they were. I didn't ask for the exact names. You should be able to provide atleast something.

I mean, what is the point of talking about sources if you're not going to comment on them at all?

And is Wiki on Jewish symbolism which would be of import to the OT.LJS9502_basic

You responded to me saying many things in the bible were meant to be symbolic by saying "OT NOT NT MIRACLES." What do you mean it has nothing to do with the bible? You have got to be the most dishonest Christian/Creationist I've ever engaged with. Luckily everyone else can see you weasel around and get a good laugh with me.

KeitekeTokage

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

GreySeal9

If he has read about this stuff for years, he should be able to give a brief summary of what his sources said and why and where the sources were.

Simply saying "I have sources outside the internet but I'm not going to say anything about them at all" is not really conducive to debate.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Am I supposed to keep everything I've ever read in case the conversation comes up in OT? Here's a siteabout symbolism.LJS9502_basic

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yeah, I asked about his offline sources. Not sure what a life outside the internet has to do with anything.

Teenaged

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

Hey, Teenaged. Can you try re-linking the same site? I can't access it for some reason.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And is Wiki on Jewish symbolism which would be of import to the OT.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Am I supposed to keep everything I've ever read in case the conversation comes up in OT? Here's a siteabout symbolism.GreySeal9

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

Hey, Teenaged. Can you try re-linking the same site? I can't access it for some reason.

There was simply a missing "h" at the "http" part. :P

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

You responded to me saying many things in the bible were meant to be symbolic by saying "OT NOT NT MIRACLES." What do you mean it has nothing to do with the bible? You have got to be the most dishonest Christian/Creationist I've ever engaged with. Luckily everyone else can see you weasel around and get a good laugh with me.

LJS9502_basic

Why exactly do you make the distinction between OT and NT miracles?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And is Wiki on Jewish symbolism which would be of import to the OT.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]From the site:

Our mission is to encourage and sponsor serious, faithful, gospel-related scholarship and the ensuing publication of that scholarship.

Teenaged

Hey, Teenaged. Can you try re-linking the same site? I can't access it for some reason.

There was simply a missing "h" at the "http" part. :P

Thanks.