I just watched this movie called ZEITGEIST: The Movie and it just blew my mind. This is a small portion of the movie that im SURE will suck you in!!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZmzf7WiNg&mode=related&search= *The full movie is about more then just this topic, but its all linked together as im sure a lot of you thinkers know. The full movie can be watched on their website FOR FREE http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ find it extreamly interesting that they talk about media and entertainment as a device to keep us stupid and in the dark. Lets talk about your thoughts of this get piece of work ----------UPDATE July 05 2007------------------------------------------------------------------ Arguments: 1, Choga, and other religious people here argue that... -This movie claims that Jesus has common traits as Thor. Choga and others say Thor was NOT born of a Virgin like Jesus. Therefor this movie is BS and should be ignored as False Answer: Jesus was the SON of a GOD (Yahweh) Thor was the SON of a GOD (Odin) Similar trait = Both have a Father who is a GOD -Therefor, this argument is not reasonable. *(This movie NEVER states that Thor was born of a Virgin. This was an attempt to mislead and confuse) 2, lovemenow, and other religious people argue that... -We have no facts on when 'Shakespeare' was born, just like jesus. therefor, with this logic given, we are forced to believe... Jesus and Shakespeare must not have existed. Answer: -We have hundreds of documents made by Shalespeare himself and thousands of people who account for his life. -Documents made by jesus, Zero. -Accounts for jesus during his apparent life, Zero -First known accounts for jesus, about 75 years after his life written by people who never met or knew him. think. More information??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://youtube.com/watch?v=uTRzyWGF2NU -"The Gap" from another great movie "The God Who Wasnt There" *in this short clip they out line the gospels coming about 75 years after. http://youtube.com/watch?v=kUBqgucLXzk -The Christs Before Christ. Christians answer to the other similar jesus gods, "The devil made them to confuse us" *Fundamentalist also believe the devil planted Dinosaur bones to "test our faith" http://youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&mode=related&search= -Popular entertainers 'Penn & Teller' talk about the Bible. MUST SEE
I've heard about this. Anyone have a quick summary?GrandTheftHalo
please, just take some time and watch it. it will really open your mind, and your free to research this stuff. there is mountians of proof and evidence to back all this up.
Before i watched it, i didn't believe that the US would stage 9/11. Now, i'm shocked. If you filter out the propoganda and obvious leftist agenda, you will see that they indeed do present a lot of facts and credible evidence.
Before, i supported the War in Iraq. Now i oppose it completely.
[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]I just watched this movie called ZEITGEIST: The Movie and it just blew my mind. This is a small portion of the movie that im SURE will suck you in!!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZmzf7WiNg&mode=related&search= *The full movie is about more then just this topic, but its all linked together as im sure most of you thinkers out there know. if your interested the full video can be watched FOR FREE at their website http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ I find it extreamly interesting that they talk about media and entertainment as a device to keep us stupid and in the dark. Lets talk about your thoughts of this get piece of work wait wouldnt it contradict it self about making media and entertainment making us stupid when this itself is media/entertainment?
they had me pretty convinced up until part 3 when they said jesus didnt exist....
Dont they have jesus living as a historical fact???? I think they just tried to tie it all together in a huge way and came out with that statement...
_MURS_
prove it!!! It was only when i actually went looking for historical jesus that i realized that there is NO Evidence for his life, and i lost my faith if you can find proof, youll be a millionaire
I'm in the middle of watching it. Funny, because my friends have been bugging me to watch it and since you've posted it on GS- I was finally convinced.
First of all know that this is coming form someone who criticizes Christianity on a regular basis. I certainly don't believe in it:
Okay, I've watched the first 15 mintues of this, and I cannot find any solid evidence (online at least) of all of those other mythological stories involving crucifictions, which would make sense since I'm pretty sure the Romans invented it...
This does not bode well for me trusting much of anything presented as fact in this video. That comedy bit (which I think was George Carlin, not entirely sure) was pretty funny though.
First of all know that this is coming form someone who criticizes Christianity on a regular basis. I certainly don't believe in it:
Okay, I've watched the first 15 mintues of this, and I cannot find any solid evidence (online at least) of all of those other mythological stories involving crucifictions, which would make sense since I'm pretty sure the Romans invented it...
This does not bode well for me trusting much of anything presented as fact in this video. That comedy bit (which I think was George Carlin, not entirely sure) was pretty funny though.
SpaceMoose
It's like the stonees pillar made of humans in the past. It's in Eternal Darkness but there is no proof whatsover. Still, interesting.
First of all know that this is coming form someone who criticizes Christianity on a regular basis. I certainly don't believe in it:
Okay, I've watched the first 15 mintues of this, and I cannot find any solid evidence (online at least) of all of those other mythological stories involving crucifictions, which would make sense since I'm pretty sure the Romans invented it...
This does not bode well for me trusting much of anything presented as fact in this video. That comedy bit (which I think was George Carlin, not entirely sure) was pretty funny though.
SpaceMoose
yeah, i wanna believe it.....but i havnt bothered doing any research on this yet...but at the end they just say Jesus doesnt exist.....its historical evidence that he does....i mean if they get the point in which they spent the entire video leading up to wrong....i dont know how credible it is....but it does sound very convincing....
they had me pretty convinced up until part 3 when they said jesus didnt exist....
Dont they have jesus living as a historical fact???? I think they just tried to tie it all together in a huge way and came out with that statement...
Evolving_Jesus
prove it!!! It was only when i actually went looking for historical jesus that i realized that there is NO Evidence for his life, and i lost my faith if you can find proof, youll be a millionaire
I'm sorry and I am trying to be objective here, but that is filled with propaganda. There is huge amounts of historical evidence for Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
Choga
Seriously. It's sad, really, because there is a lot in the video that seems to make sense, at least as far as the story of Jesus being inspired by the seasons and the signs of the zodiac. (It's pretty widely known that many Christmas and Easter traditions were swiped from pagan customs, at least for anyone who has seriously wondered where they came from and looked into it.)
It's too bad there is so much b.s. mixed in, making what could have been an interesting film look more full of misinformation than a Rush Limbaugh fan fest.
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
SpaceMoose
Seriously. It's sad, really, because there is a lot in the video that makes sense. It's too bad there is so much b.s. mixed in.
Not really. The only anti-Christian propoganda I enjoy is the kind you find in music. It seems to me like when it's not in music, the people are trying too hard.
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. Choga
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. KrayzieJ
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.
So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...
I'm in the middle of watching it. Funny, because my friends have been bugging me to watch it and since you've posted it on GS- I was finally convinced.
I am completely consumed into the movie.
NatsuGaijin
glad to hear it!!! please remember people, the only history of jesus youll find is what is in the new testament. (THAT IS NOT PROOF, thats like saying Peter Pan is Real cuz it says so in the book peter pan) AND those gospels of jesus were writen 40 years AFTER his apparent life... which means those people who wrote is never actually seen jesus... Quote from another great movie "The God who wasnt There" (Google video & YouTube) its like jesus lived and died... then everyone forgot for 40 years... then all of a sudden everyone remembered. You will not find a SHRED of evidence of jesus life during 0Ad to 33AD *time of his apparent life. No one at the time even knew there was anyone with the name jesus.
I'm in the middle of watching it. Funny, because my friends have been bugging me to watch it and since you've posted it on GS- I was finally convinced.
I am completely consumed into the movie.
Evolving_Jesus
glad to hear it!!! please remember people, the only history of jesus youll find is what is in the new testament. (THAT IS NOT PROOF, thats like saying Peter Pan is Real cuz it says so in the book peter pan) AND those gospels of jesus were writen 40 years AFTER his apparent life... which means those people who wrote is never actually seen jesus... Quote from another great movie "The God who wasnt There" (Google video & YouTube) its like jesus lived and died... then everyone forgot for 40 years... then all of a sudden everyone remembered. You will not find a SHRED of evidence of jesus life during 0Ad to 33AD *time of his apparent life. No one at the time even knew there was anyone with the name jesus.
Dude have you ignored my post? There is losts of evidence of historical Jesus, and please don't get so carried away. Slow down.
Thor was born from a virgin, look it up... all those other gods were too.. research it. its all out there.Evolving_Jesus
Are you insane? Thor is the son of Oden and Jord. Oden and Jord had sex to produce Thor. Jord WAS NOT a virgin. The info is all out there...research it.
glad to hear it!!! please remember people, the only history of jesus youll find is what is in the new testament. (THAT IS NOT PROOF, thats like saying Peter Pan is Real cuz it says so in the book peter pan) AND those gospels of jesus were writen 40 years AFTER his apparent life... which means those people who wrote is never actually seen jesus... Quote from another great movie "The God who wasnt There" (Google video & YouTube) its like jesus lived and died... then everyone forgot for 40 years... then all of a sudden everyone remembered. You will not find a SHRED of evidence of jesus life during 0Ad to 33AD *time of his apparent life. No one at the time even knew there was anyone with the name jesus.Evolving_Jesus
Okay, so the Bible is full of crap, but so is this movie. Where did they get those supposed "facts" about various mythological figures? They were all born on December 25? Based on what ancient texts? I'd really like to know. Because the narrator said so? Oh, the irony.
ok what i dont get is... why spend all that time makeing tons of connections to space and the stars? they could have just as easly made everything up..... whats the point of all the symbols? also how did they decided what parts to make up and what parts they wanted to use connections for the million different things?
Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.
you can start here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras Mithras was another popular god during roman times. Born Dec 25... all you have to do is look it up... its all there for you. On a tv show for NG channle they did a show called "The Science of the Bible" and they talked about this KNOWN FACT that all the other gods like Mithras shared Dec 25... winter solstice
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. Choga
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.
So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...
Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.
you can start here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras Mithras was another popular god during roman times. Born Dec 25... all you have to do is look it up... its all there for you. On a tv show for NG channle they did a show called "The Science of the Bible" and they talked about this KNOWN FACT that all the other gods like Mithras shared Dec 25... winter solsticeEvolving_Jesus
How about Thor? And Zalmoxis? None were born of Virgins. Sorry bud, this doc is a sham.
Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.camreeno360
Lets look at the books top sellers list, "The God Delusion" "God is Not Great" "The End of Faith"... have you realized yet that religion is just a family tradition??? that god is a tool for war... its a mind virus
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. KrayzieJ
Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?
That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.
So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...
Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.
How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?
[QUOTE="camreeno360"]Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.Evolving_Jesus
Lets look at the books top sellers list, "The God Delusion" "God is Not Great" "The End of Faith"... have you realized yet that religion is just a family tradition??? that god is a tool for war... its a mind virusActually it's done more good that bad if you think about it. Are you mad?
[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.camreeno360
Lets look at the books top sellers list, "The God Delusion" "God is Not Great" "The End of Faith"... have you realized yet that religion is just a family tradition??? that god is a tool for war... its a mind virusActually it's done more good that bad if you think about it. Are you mad? like the crusades?? Inquisition??? the Witch hunt?? the one time frame ruled by religion is referred to as "The Dark Ages" Religion is hate and guilt pretending to be love and forgiveness. Religion is the process of NON-Thinking. its a backwards belief system *Richard Dawkinds
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