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The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. Choga

Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?

That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.

So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...

Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.

How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?

[/QUOTE by all means believe what you will, But I believe in an ultimate truth. I have studied the philosophy of history or historiosophy. for about two years now, on my own accord. and I ultimately believe that our little story that is humanity has been written up until this point. I don't know how to fit the pieces together, I am only one human, but it seems to make perfect sense. The saying he who controls the past controls the future holds much weight. In my humble opinion.
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you can start here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras Mithras was another popular god during roman times. Born Dec 25... all you have to do is look it up... its all there for you. On a tv show for NG channle they did a show called "The Science of the Bible" and they talked about this KNOWN FACT that all the other gods like Mithras shared Dec 25... winter solsticeEvolving_Jesus

Okay, fair enough. What about the claim that the mythology of Horus is that he was crucified, buried for 3 days, and then resurrected? What ancient Egyptian text is this based on? (not that I could read it)

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[QUOTE="camreeno360"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.Evolving_Jesus
Lets look at the books top sellers list, "The God Delusion" "God is Not Great" "The End of Faith"... have you realized yet that religion is just a family tradition??? that god is a tool for war... its a mind virus

Actually it's done more good that bad if you think about it. Are you mad?

like the crusades?? Inquisition??? the Witch hunt?? the one time frame ruled by religion is referred to as "The Dark Ages" Religion is hate and guilt pretending to be love and forgiveness.

Even though all of those were ages ago. Give me a break, you're using the Crusades as legitimate proof now? Not much record, plus Islam and Christianity were both pretty primitive and the people didn't know what the hell they were doing. Look at communism, the Nazis, Japan, and realize they left religion to succeed with their killings and power. There's far more deaths when you take religion out of something.
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This sounds interesting. I'm going to post here so I can watch the video later. Right now its 12;43. Thanks for posting this it sounds cool.
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The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.JiveT
thats not true... people forgave people b4 jesus.. thats so arrogant to say that. ---If you beleive in jesus, then you ask HIM for forgiveness, if you dont, then you ask the person you harmed for forgivness. i think the later is better since talking to your self is retarded.
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[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. KrayzieJ

Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?

That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.

So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...

Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.

How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?

[/QUOTE by all means believe what you will, But I believe in an ultimate truth. I have studied the philosophy of history or historiosophy. for about two years now, on my own accord. and I ultimately believe that our little story that is humanity has been written up until this point. I don't know how to fit the pieces together, I am only one human, but it seems to make perfect sense. The saying he who controls the past controls the future holds much weight. In my humble opinion.

So all of human civiliazion was one large conspiracy? Spare me...

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The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.JiveT

*eats Jesus in Christian tradition*

Mmm, delicious.

And deliciously ignorant!

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[QUOTE="JiveT"]The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.Evolving_Jesus
thats not true... people forgave people b4 jesus.. thats so arrogant to say that. ---If you beleive in jesus, then you ask HIM for forgiveness, if you dont, then you ask the person you harmed for forgivness. i think the later is better since talking to your self is retarded.

hey do u mind answering my question on page 4?... i wanna know what you think on why they bothered to put soo much symbolism into the bible when they could have just as easily made it all up?
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]Though I thought that was really interesting, you can tell they think religions are bad or something. Like they're a curse put out there to make people believe it....They didn't have to present it like that, sheesh.camreeno360
Lets look at the books top sellers list, "The God Delusion" "God is Not Great" "The End of Faith"... have you realized yet that religion is just a family tradition??? that god is a tool for war... its a mind virus

Actually it's done more good that bad if you think about it. Are you mad?

like the crusades?? Inquisition??? the Witch hunt?? the one time frame ruled by religion is referred to as "The Dark Ages" Religion is hate and guilt pretending to be love and forgiveness.

Even though all of those were ages ago. Give me a break, you're using the Crusades as legitimate proof now? Not much record, plus Islam and Christianity were both pretty primitive and the people didn't know what the hell they were doing. Look at communism, the Nazis, Japan, and realize they left religion to succeed with their killings and power. There's far more deaths when you take religion out of something.

Ok, how about G.Bush Invading Iraq cuz GOD TOLD HIM TO... even tho there was no evidence... if jesus talks to bush.. then jesus is the devil.
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He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. Choga

Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?

That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.

So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...

Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.

How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?

[/QUOTE by all means believe what you will, But I believe in an ultimate truth. I have studied the philosophy of history or historiosophy. for about two years now, on my own accord. and I ultimately believe that our little story that is humanity has been written up until this point. I don't know how to fit the pieces together, I am only one human, but it seems to make perfect sense. The saying he who controls the past controls the future holds much weight. In my humble opinion.

So all of human civiliazion was one large conspiracy? Spare me...

No, I never said that sort of thing. Im not suspecting some kind of magical conspiracy (never one to rule it out :lol: ), but just how one thing is passed to another, from father to son, and so forth, do we not pass our past on to the next generation? Looking at the roots of our forefathers, the Aztecs, Maya, ancient Chinese, Egypt, we see they all had such a great big world that they did not understand. Now we know we have a great big universe we don't understand. So they made up myths and so forth to explain what they didn't know. They wanted to explain the ultimate but they knew not how to. The same goes for today, yet look how our minds have grown! as we are typing right now our words are travelling into the Internet, where we can all see it. We can still be thousands of miles away yet we still can read our writing. That is a noticeable change. A change that should be pondered in my opinion.
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="JiveT"]The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.killtactics
thats not true... people forgave people b4 jesus.. thats so arrogant to say that. ---If you beleive in jesus, then you ask HIM for forgiveness, if you dont, then you ask the person you harmed for forgivness. i think the later is better since talking to your self is retarded.

hey do u mind answering my question on page 4?... i wanna know what you think on why they bothered to put soo much symbolism into the bible when they could have just as easily made it all up?

Gnostic is how it all started... they wanted to make jesus seem real... thats why the romans edited the bible. but if you read the letters of paul... youll notice that even paul talks about jesus as if hes mythical.. he even says, if jesus was on earth, he would not be a teacher. the idea of making jesus into a real person came around 100ad
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"zeitgeist" ..what's that mean..Timeghost? ..like Timecop?mmogoon
Age of Sprituality
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He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.camreeno360
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...
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[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. KrayzieJ

Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?

That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.

So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...

Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.

How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?

[/QUOTE by all means believe what you will, But I believe in an ultimate truth. I have studied the philosophy of history or historiosophy. for about two years now, on my own accord. and I ultimately believe that our little story that is humanity has been written up until this point. I don't know how to fit the pieces together, I am only one human, but it seems to make perfect sense. The saying he who controls the past controls the future holds much weight. In my humble opinion.

So all of human civiliazion was one large conspiracy? Spare me...

No, I never said that sort of thing. Im not suspecting some kind of magical conspiracy (never one to rule it out :lol: ), but just how one thing is passed to another, from father to son, and so forth, do we not pass our past on to the next generation? Looking at the roots of our forefathers, the Aztecs, Maya, ancient Chinese, Egypt, we see they all had such a great big world that they did not understand. Now we know we have a great big universe we don't understand. So they made up myths and so forth to explain what they didn't know. They wanted to explain the ultimate but they knew not how to. The same goes for today, yet look how our minds have grown! as we are typing right now our words are travelling into the Internet, where we can all see it. We can still be thousands of miles away yet we still can read our writing. That is a noticeable change. A change that should be pondered in my opinion.

Well in our quest to understand the universe, we might just prove the existence of religion. These myths might just be the truths that govern other universes...perhaps even our own?

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[QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.Evolving_Jesus
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Whtever now. It's like you're trying to fight me through the computer. "Let's take this outside.....to the forums" :P Calm down now.
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We make little kids believe in invisible people... how? by saying the get Gifts if they do!! How can we make adults believe in invisible people??? how about offer them Eternal Life!!! or 72 Virgins!!!
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dang. i shoul go see it
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="JiveT"]The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.Evolving_Jesus
thats not true... people forgave people b4 jesus.. thats so arrogant to say that. ---If you beleive in jesus, then you ask HIM for forgiveness, if you dont, then you ask the person you harmed for forgivness. i think the later is better since talking to your self is retarded.

hey do u mind answering my question on page 4?... i wanna know what you think on why they bothered to put soo much symbolism into the bible when they could have just as easily made it all up?

Gnostic is how it all started... they wanted to make jesus seem real... thats why the romans edited the bible. but if you read the letters of paul... youll notice that even paul talks about jesus as if hes mythical.. he even says, if jesus was on earth, he would not be a teacher. the idea of making jesus into a real person came around 100ad

how does adding tons of references to "ages" and the stars make him seem real?
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[QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.Evolving_Jesus
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Besides, you're not admitting any of the art periods, massive cities built, explorers, and philosophers which where driven by religion. You're acting like it's ONLY bad.
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.camreeno360
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Whtever now. It's like you're trying to fight me through the computer. "Let's take this outside.....to the forums" :P Calm down now.

thats ok, im a peaceful person... people get mad cuz god is interweaved into their families. saying Jesus never existed is like saying your dad is an illusion. the only difference is... that your dad left evidence for his existence... jesus didnt... cuz he is a myth. like santa. but people dont kill in the name of santa... or..not yet anyways...
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how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="JiveT"]The concept of loving strangers and forgiving people did not exist before Christ. Christ taught us how to love and forgive and elevated human consciousness for all time. So eat it.Evolving_Jesus
thats not true... people forgave people b4 jesus.. thats so arrogant to say that. ---If you beleive in jesus, then you ask HIM for forgiveness, if you dont, then you ask the person you harmed for forgivness. i think the later is better since talking to your self is retarded.

hey do u mind answering my question on page 4?... i wanna know what you think on why they bothered to put soo much symbolism into the bible when they could have just as easily made it all up?

Gnostic is how it all started... they wanted to make jesus seem real... thats why the romans edited the bible. but if you read the letters of paul... youll notice that even paul talks about jesus as if hes mythical.. he even says, if jesus was on earth, he would not be a teacher. the idea of making jesus into a real person came around 100ad

in fact, what was probably the most important event in Christan history, (other than jesuses life ;) ), was the 1st council of Nicea, 325 A.D, the emperor Constantine summoned all available Christian scholars throughout the empire to debate all things Jesus. whether Jesus even existed, was human or divine, ascended into heaven or was buried secretly, etcetera, and eventually, the Emperor chose the best option and decide what cannons and creed should be "official" Christianity. After the long debate, all the people who disagreed where silenced, and we have traditional Orthodox Christianity. What ever happened in that room in Turkey in the year 325 created the Christianity that exists today. All information deemed unacceptable by the state was eliminated, the new cannons where created. This is historical fact.
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.camreeno360
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Besides, you're not admitting any of the art periods, massive cities built, explorers, and philosophers which where driven by religion. You're acting like it's ONLY bad.

ah yes... another great point... "the art period"... did you know those artists were FORCED to paint images of GOD!>?!? they had rules they had to follow... they were not free people. true, those paintings are amazing.. but what is more amazing was grip the churches had on them and what they could paint.
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]This is astonishingly beautiful. thank you TC. Choga

Are the inaccuracies beautiful? Or is the propoganda beautiful?

That is the whole point. :( you can't see with your mind, only your eyes. I am making my own connections that I have known without any prior knowledge on the subject, just meditation.

So you are doing exactly what the creator of the movie is condemning? Oh the irony...

Not condemning, realizing. and no, this is not the most magical thing I have ever seen, I just like how it coalesces with the basic theme in my life, and what that is it seems to be that knowledge and understanding can unlock anything, even god. This little movie is just a drop of that concept.

How can you understand something that is based off pure fantasy like this movie?

[/QUOTE by all means believe what you will, But I believe in an ultimate truth. I have studied the philosophy of history or historiosophy. for about two years now, on my own accord. and I ultimately believe that our little story that is humanity has been written up until this point. I don't know how to fit the pieces together, I am only one human, but it seems to make perfect sense. The saying he who controls the past controls the future holds much weight. In my humble opinion.

So all of human civiliazion was one large conspiracy? Spare me...

No, I never said that sort of thing. Im not suspecting some kind of magical conspiracy (never one to rule it out :lol: ), but just how one thing is passed to another, from father to son, and so forth, do we not pass our past on to the next generation? Looking at the roots of our forefathers, the Aztecs, Maya, ancient Chinese, Egypt, we see they all had such a great big world that they did not understand. Now we know we have a great big universe we don't understand. So they made up myths and so forth to explain what they didn't know. They wanted to explain the ultimate but they knew not how to. The same goes for today, yet look how our minds have grown! as we are typing right now our words are travelling into the Internet, where we can all see it. We can still be thousands of miles away yet we still can read our writing. That is a noticeable change. A change that should be pondered in my opinion.

Well in our quest to understand the universe, we might just prove the existence of religion. These myths might just be the truths that govern other universes...perhaps even our own?

I know! you get it! :lol:
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[QUOTE="camreeno360"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.Evolving_Jesus
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Whtever now. It's like you're trying to fight me through the computer. "Let's take this outside.....to the forums" :P Calm down now.

thats ok, im a peaceful person... people get mad cuz god is interweaved into their families. saying Jesus never existed is like saying your dad is an illusion. the only difference is... that your dad left evidence for his existence... jesus didnt... cuz he is a myth. like santa. but people dont kill in the name of santa... or..not yet anyways...

I never indicated I believed in Jesus not shoulld anyone. All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with it at all in this day and age to believe in Jesus. If it does more good for a person's life and gives then somewhere to go and get direction, let them be. Whether it's true or not.
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[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="camreeno360"]He's really the only Christian in quite some time who went a little too far. I'm telling you, if radical Islam is taken out of the picture there's really nothing withing hundreds of years linked negatively with religion.camreeno360
how about charles manson?? ...and its not RADICAL Islam... its Fundamental Islam which is the same as Fundamental christianity.. the idea that these old books are history books is just so dumb...

Whtever now. It's like you're trying to fight me through the computer. "Let's take this outside.....to the forums" :P Calm down now.

thats ok, im a peaceful person... people get mad cuz god is interweaved into their families. saying Jesus never existed is like saying your dad is an illusion. the only difference is... that your dad left evidence for his existence... jesus didnt... cuz he is a myth. like santa. but people dont kill in the name of santa... or..not yet anyways...

I never indicated I believed in Jesus not shoulld anyone. All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with it at all in this day and age to believe in Jesus. If it does more good for a person's life and gives then somewhere to go and get direction, let them be. Whether it's true or not.

Or just religion in general, not just Jesus. ;) Whatever, this is getting stupid now...
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#79 astiop
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how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?killtactics

Oh come on, people would suspect something if something for them to suspect was shown to them. You will find a lot more people outside the USA "suspecting" something. I mean (just using one example of the event) you dont find it "suspicious that almost everything got vapourised but THE "TERRORISTS" PASSPORT was found in that huge pile of rubble in one piece?

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#80 KrayzieJ
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I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.
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#81 Evolving_Jesus
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I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.KrayzieJ
whats funny, is that i knew about the 3 kings,eastern star and the cross... but i always thought they were named AFTER jesus... boy was i wrong. what we dont realize anymore is how much people back then looked to the stars... our Big cities have so much light polution that it distorts how amazing the night sky really is. if you want to really feel the universe... go far far away from all the lights from the city and lay under the stars... it is amazing... you can understand why they would think god is in the sky.
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#82 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"]how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?astiop

Oh come on, people would suspect something if something for them to suspect was shown to them. You will find a lot more people outside the USA "suspecting" something. I mean (just using one example of the event) you dont find it "suspicious that almost everything got vapourised but THE "TERRORISTS" PASSPORT was found in that huge pile of rubble in one piece?

if someone put bombs in there then how did no one notice? how did the goverment keep this secret even within it's self? it just seem like Bush can't pull something like this off...
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#83 killtactics
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I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.KrayzieJ
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?
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#84 astiop
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[QUOTE="astiop"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?killtactics

Oh come on, people would suspect something if something for them to suspect was shown to them. You will find a lot more people outside the USA "suspecting" something. I mean (just using one example of the event) you dont find it "suspicious that almost everything got vapourised but THE "TERRORISTS" PASSPORT was found in that huge pile of rubble in one piece?

if someone put bombs in there then how did no one notice? how did the goverment keep this secret even within it's self? it just seem like Bush can't pull something like this off...

Imo Bush can't really pull anything off by himself. Honestly though, even if you diss some of the things shown like the bombs there is still a lot of stuff that happened that day that seem suspicious if you actualy see it. Thats all I was trying to point out in response to your post, I'm not trying to convince you that 9/11 was set up.

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#85 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="astiop"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?astiop

Oh come on, people would suspect something if something for them to suspect was shown to them. You will find a lot more people outside the USA "suspecting" something. I mean (just using one example of the event) you dont find it "suspicious that almost everything got vapourised but THE "TERRORISTS" PASSPORT was found in that huge pile of rubble in one piece?

if someone put bombs in there then how did no one notice? how did the goverment keep this secret even within it's self? it just seem like Bush can't pull something like this off...

Imo Bush can't really pull anything off by himself. Honestly though, even if you diss some of the things shown like the bombs there is still a lot of stuff that happened that day that seem suspicious if you actualy see it. Thats all I was trying to point out in response to your post, I'm not trying to convince you that 9/11 was set up.

i agree that somethings ARE very strange about this... but i really dont see Bush as the kinda guy that would do something so evil... i mean if we look back he was just some average rich kid... how could he be so evil.... As opposed to Hitler which is a classic case of "bad childhood"...
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#86 Evolving_Jesus
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.killtactics
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

if god is real, why hide from us??? why write all these books??? why be invisible??? why have a son and kill him on earth for sins GOD himself Made??? It just does NOT make any sense at all. all you have to do is think. its ALL man made... why would god care if she is a Virgin?
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#87 brandon2802
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What about this?

Was this in the movie, cause it proves smoke is evil. I always thought the Bible is stories put together for people to learn from. Like be nice and give.

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#88 Evolving_Jesus
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[QUOTE="astiop"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="astiop"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]how on earth can the government decide to pull of 9/11 and have SO many suspect nothing?killtactics

Oh come on, people would suspect something if something for them to suspect was shown to them. You will find a lot more people outside the USA "suspecting" something. I mean (just using one example of the event) you dont find it "suspicious that almost everything got vapourised but THE "TERRORISTS" PASSPORT was found in that huge pile of rubble in one piece?

if someone put bombs in there then how did no one notice? how did the goverment keep this secret even within it's self? it just seem like Bush can't pull something like this off...

Imo Bush can't really pull anything off by himself. Honestly though, even if you diss some of the things shown like the bombs there is still a lot of stuff that happened that day that seem suspicious if you actualy see it. Thats all I was trying to point out in response to your post, I'm not trying to convince you that 9/11 was set up.

i agree that somethings ARE very strange about this... but i really dont see Bush as the kinda guy that would do something so evil... i mean if we look back he was just some average rich kid... how could he be so evil.... As opposed to Hitler which is a classic case of "bad childhood"...

bush is the puppet... dick is the real ring leader... good night guys,
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#89 gun65
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.Evolving_Jesus
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

if god is real, why hide from us??? why write all these books??? why be invisible??? why have a son and kill him on earth for sins GOD himself Made??? It just does NOT make any sense at all. all you have to do is think. its ALL man made... why would god care if she is a Virgin?

it's called faith,God wants you to have faith even if you have never seen him

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#90 KrayzieJ
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.killtactics
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

What I think, is that they (who ever the freaking hell they is) thought the best idea would be to recycle the ideas that where around from all these astrological observations that existed from the pagans (Egypt, India, Greece and so forth). Perhaps they thought that this would be the best way to convey a message. Refine it so well that people can believe it as effectively as possible. Who the hell is that smart or was it an accident, simple plagiarizing? Or are the connections just random products of happenstance? I don't like to think about it any more, makes me feel too strange.
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#91 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.Evolving_Jesus
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

if god is real, why hide from us??? why write all these books??? why be invisible??? why have a son and kill him on earth for sins GOD himself Made??? It just does NOT make any sense at all. all you have to do is think. its ALL man made... why would god care if she is a Virgin?

so your just going to ingornore myentire post? why did you even quote me then?
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#92 Evolving_Jesus
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it's called faith,God wants you to have faith even if you have never seen him

Its called gullibility. the religions want you to believe with out evidence so you can make them rich and spread the Mind Virus. Research your religion.
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#93 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.KrayzieJ
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

What I think, is that they (who ever the freaking hell they is) thought the best idea would be to recycle the ideas that where around from all these astrological observations that existed from the pagans (Egypt, India, Greece and so forth). Perhaps they thought that this would be the best way to convey a message. Refine it so well that people can believe it as effectively as possible. Who the hell is that smart or was it an accident, simple plagiarizing? Or are the connections just random products of happenstance? I don't like to think about it any more, makes me feel too strange.

the bible would have been just as believable if they had't recycled anything (even more so) or made any connections (which again are open to interpretation)....
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#94 gun65
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it's called faith,God wants you to have faith even if you have never seen him

Evolving_Jesus

Its called gullibility. the religions want you to believe with out evidence so you can make them rich and spread the Mind Virus. Research your religion.

really? how do i make them rich,you know all about it apparently

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#95 SpaceMoose
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it's called faith,God wants you to have faith even if you have never seen him

gun65

What God wants, God gets. Well, you would think anyway...

Uh-oh, now that made me think of a Roger Waters song:

What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants dollars
God wants cents
God wants pounds shillings and pence
God wants guilders
God wants kroner
God wants Swiss francs
God wants French francs
Oui il veut des francs francais
God wants escudos
God wants pesetas
Don't send lira
God don't want small potatoes
God wants small towns
God wants pain
God wants clean up rock campaigns
God wants widows
God wants solution
God wants TV
God wants contributions
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants silver
God wants gold
God wants his secret
Never to be told
God wants gigolos
God wants giraffes
God wants politics
God wants a good laugh
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants friendship
God wants fame
God wants credit
God wants blame
God wants poverty
God wants wealth
God wants insurance
God wants to cover himself
What God wants God gets God help us all

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#96 KrayzieJ
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.killtactics
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

What I think, is that they (who ever the freaking hell they is) thought the best idea would be to recycle the ideas that where around from all these astrological observations that existed from the pagans (Egypt, India, Greece and so forth). Perhaps they thought that this would be the best way to convey a message. Refine it so well that people can believe it as effectively as possible. Who the hell is that smart or was it an accident, simple plagiarizing? Or are the connections just random products of happenstance? I don't like to think about it any more, makes me feel too strange.

the bible would have been just as believable if they had't recycled anything (even more so) or made any connections (which again are open to interpretation)....

its an obvious tool. I've had this opinion on organized religion for some time now, but I don't know why organized religion was created. Why would people want to dominate so completely? What kind of creature, what kind of beast would want to dominate the soul? I can't think of a greater evil than organized religion. the soul ( if it even exists) should be free.
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#97 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.KrayzieJ
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

What I think, is that they (who ever the freaking hell they is) thought the best idea would be to recycle the ideas that where around from all these astrological observations that existed from the pagans (Egypt, India, Greece and so forth). Perhaps they thought that this would be the best way to convey a message. Refine it so well that people can believe it as effectively as possible. Who the hell is that smart or was it an accident, simple plagiarizing? Or are the connections just random products of happenstance? I don't like to think about it any more, makes me feel too strange.

the bible would have been just as believable if they had't recycled anything (even more so) or made any connections (which again are open to interpretation)....

its an obvious tool. I've had this opinion on organized religion for some time now, but I don't know why organized religion was created. Why would people want to dominate so completely? What kind of creature, what kind of beast would want to dominate the soul? I can't think of a greater evil than organized religion. the soul ( if it even exists) should be free.

huh? im lost... first of all what does your post have to do with mine? also who dominates so completely? i dont see how organized religion makes you unfree nor do i see what that has to do with what you quoted me on...
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This line made me want to watch the whole movie :

RELIGION.

Think about it, religion has actually conviced people that there is an invisible man .. living in the sky who watches everything you do .. every minute of every day .. and the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do! And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he'll send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time !

But he loves you. movie

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#99 KrayzieJ
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[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I could consider the Astrological connections made in this movie to be supporting evidence, not disproof. Im a bit on the fence.killtactics
i still dont get why they made so many connections to begin with? i mean if they wanted to make up a religion.... just make it up..... why bother putting little hints here and there that point to astrology.... and since they are so open to interpertaion, who would have figured it out??? all this just adds up to.... why on earth would they bother?

What I think, is that they (who ever the freaking hell they is) thought the best idea would be to recycle the ideas that where around from all these astrological observations that existed from the pagans (Egypt, India, Greece and so forth). Perhaps they thought that this would be the best way to convey a message. Refine it so well that people can believe it as effectively as possible. Who the hell is that smart or was it an accident, simple plagiarizing? Or are the connections just random products of happenstance? I don't like to think about it any more, makes me feel too strange.

the bible would have been just as believable if they had't recycled anything (even more so) or made any connections (which again are open to interpretation)....

its an obvious tool. I've had this opinion on organized religion for some time now, but I don't know why organized religion was created. Why would people want to dominate so completely? What kind of creature, what kind of beast would want to dominate the soul? I can't think of a greater evil than organized religion. the soul ( if it even exists) should be free.

huh? im lost... first of all what does your post have to do with mine? also who dominates so completely? i dont see how organized religion makes you unfree nor do i see what that has to do with what you quoted me on...

um right.. yeah... it had nothing to do with your post. :lol: I'm kind of ranting, I think my idea is too difficult to explain. When ever I get an idea my head just spurs into oblivion.
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#100 jackelhunter
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oh great the EvolvingJesus is back. you should really stop this anti-Christian propaganda, its doing nothing but making a fool of yourself. if you really know the Bible which you have stated in many times in the past, you sure don't act like it.