This just changed my life...

[QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Jesus is real!

He told Bush to invade Iraq.

Evolving_Jesus

do you love me???

You say the collapses are strange? Please, enlighten me. Same with the pentagon. Everything seems to add up to me.

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Jesus is real!

He told Bush to invade Iraq.

lovemenow

do you love me???

your name makes everyone hate you

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Jesus is real!

He told Bush to invade Iraq.

lovemenow

do you love me???

[QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Jesus is real!

He told Bush to invade Iraq.

Evolving_Jesus

do you love me???

yay im loved

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

Jesus is real!

He told Bush to invade Iraq.

lovemenow

do you love me???

yay im loved

Jesus loves you.

And so does Evolving Jesus

[QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"]

the video told you that.....i rest my case...and what their is no evidence behind the exact date of Shakespeare's birth..does that make him fake???

lovemenow

No. People have seen Shakespeare. He wrote. He was famous for his plays. He's studied in history textbooks and has beenconfirmed to have, indeed, existed. Jesus and Shakespeare have NOTHING in common. Pick a better example :|

hmm people have seen Jesus...he was famous amongst a certain group of people at his time then he grew in fame which of course lead to the Crucifixion...and he has been confirmed to have indeed existed by many bible scholars which you refuse to except...but i dont think he wrote anything..but hell many great people of the past never wrote anything and we know they existed because people wrote about them...Jesus and Shakespeare dont have anything in common..Jesus didnt write lame emo plays:|

Bible scholars. People who read and study book written by man about some guy who may or may not have existed...as a profession. Doesn't sound that trustworthy to me.

Lame emo plays? The quality of your posts just slid waaaay down.

I just watched this movie called ZEITGEIST: The Movie and it just blew my mind. This is a small portion of the movie that im SURE will suck you in!!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZmzf7WiNg&mode=related&search= *The full movie is about more then just this topic, but its all linked together as im sure most of you thinkers out there know. if your interested the full video can be watched FOR FREE at their website http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ I find it extreamly interesting that they talk about media and entertainment as a device to keep us stupid and in the dark. Lets talk about your thoughts of this get piece of work ----------UPDATE July 05 2007------------------------------------------------------------------ Arguments: 1, Choga , and other religious people here argue that... -This movie claims that Jesus has common traits as Thor. Choga and others say Thor was NOT born of a Virgin like Jesus. Therefor this movie is BS and should be ignored as False Answer: Jesus was the SON of a GOD (Yahweh) Thor was the SON of a GOD (Odin) -Thereform, this argument is not reasonable. 2, lovemenow and other religious people argue that... -We have no facts on when 'Shakespeare' was born, just like jesus. therefor, with this logic given, we are forced to believe... Jesus and Shakespeare must not have existed. Answer: -We have hundreds of documents made by Shalespeare himself and thousands of people who account for his life. -Documents made by jesus, Zero. -Accounts for jesus during his apparent life, Zero -First known accounts for jesus, about 75 years after his life written by people who never met or knew him. think.Evolving_Jesus

im just gonna say no to that tid bit of info i bolded in..and gonna have to ask you to cite where you got that from..i

Updated my 1st post with arguments. :)Evolving_Jesus

[QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"]

the video told you that.....i rest my case...and what their is no evidence behind the exact date of Shakespeare's birth..does that make him fake???

funnymario

No. People have seen Shakespeare. He wrote. He was famous for his plays. He's studied in history textbooks and has beenconfirmed to have, indeed, existed. Jesus and Shakespeare have NOTHING in common. Pick a better example :|

hmm people have seen Jesus...he was famous amongst a certain group of people at his time then he grew in fame which of course lead to the Crucifixion...and he has been confirmed to have indeed existed by many bible scholars which you refuse to except...but i dont think he wrote anything..but hell many great people of the past never wrote anything and we know they existed because people wrote about them...Jesus and Shakespeare dont have anything in common..Jesus didnt write lame emo plays:|

Bible scholars. People who read and study book written by man about some guy who may or may not have existed...as a profession. Doesn't sound that trustworthy to me.

Lame emo plays? The quality of your posts just slid waaaay down.

it means they studied in that field and became a scholar:|...it doesn't mean they preach it just means they STUDIED IN IT AND KNOW ALOT ABOUT IT.....but of course anyone who believes a video that just perfectly puts everything into place would think that a scholar isn't trust worthy..anf btw the bible doesnt just talk about Jesus..but yet again you would believe that:wink:

[QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"]

the video told you that.....i rest my case...and what their is no evidence behind the exact date of Shakespeare's birth..does that make him fake???

lovemenow

No. People have seen Shakespeare. He wrote. He was famous for his plays. He's studied in history textbooks and has beenconfirmed to have, indeed, existed. Jesus and Shakespeare have NOTHING in common. Pick a better example :|

hmm people have seen Jesus...he was famous amongst a certain group of people at his time then he grew in fame which of course lead to the Crucifixion...and he has been confirmed to have indeed existed by many bible scholars which you refuse to except...but i dont think he wrote anything..but hell many great people of the past never wrote anything and we know they existed because people wrote about them...Jesus and Shakespeare dont have anything in common..Jesus didnt write lame emo plays:|

Bible scholars. People who read and study book written by man about some guy who may or may not have existed...as a profession. Doesn't sound that trustworthy to me.

Lame emo plays? The quality of your posts just slid waaaay down.

it means they studied in that field and became a scholar:|...it doesn't mean they preach it just means they STUDIED IN IT AND KNOW ALOT ABOUT IT.....but of course anyone who believes a video that just perfectly puts everything into place would think that a scholar isn't trust worthy..anf btw the bible doesnt just talk about Jesus..but yet again you would believe that:wink:

Moses, Joseph, Noah, various prophets like Jonah and Ezekiel, all the old testament folk. I'm not to worried about them. ;)

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to skim through the dictionary for a bit :evil:

[QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"]

the video told you that.....i rest my case...and what their is no evidence behind the exact date of Shakespeare's birth..does that make him fake???

funnymario

No. People have seen Shakespeare. He wrote. He was famous for his plays. He's studied in history textbooks and has beenconfirmed to have, indeed, existed. Jesus and Shakespeare have NOTHING in common. Pick a better example :|

hmm people have seen Jesus...he was famous amongst a certain group of people at his time then he grew in fame which of course lead to the Crucifixion...and he has been confirmed to have indeed existed by many bible scholars which you refuse to except...but i dont think he wrote anything..but hell many great people of the past never wrote anything and we know they existed because people wrote about them...Jesus and Shakespeare dont have anything in common..Jesus didnt write lame emo plays:|

Bible scholars. People who read and study book written by man about some guy who may or may not have existed...as a profession. Doesn't sound that trustworthy to me.

Lame emo plays? The quality of your posts just slid waaaay down.

it means they studied in that field and became a scholar:|...it doesn't mean they preach it just means they STUDIED IN IT AND KNOW ALOT ABOUT IT.....but of course anyone who believes a video that just perfectly puts everything into place would think that a scholar isn't trust worthy..anf btw the bible doesnt just talk about Jesus..but yet again you would believe that:wink:

Moses, Joseph, Noah, various prophets like Jonah and Ezekiel, all the old testament folk. I'm not to worried about them. ;)

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to skim through the dictionary for a bit :evil:

which is why you should take a second look at this video..what about Joseph the great kings talked about in the bible and other people..if you throw that out and focus on one thing then you've already failed in an argument right there.. get all the facts and info before you believe something..now im sleeping i'll debate some other time i have to work tommorow

[QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="lovemenow"]

the video told you that.....i rest my case...and what their is no evidence behind the exact date of Shakespeare's birth..does that make him fake???

lovemenow

No. People have seen Shakespeare. He wrote. He was famous for his plays. He's studied in history textbooks and has beenconfirmed to have, indeed, existed. Jesus and Shakespeare have NOTHING in common. Pick a better example :|

hmm people have seen Jesus...he was famous amongst a certain group of people at his time then he grew in fame which of course lead to the Crucifixion...and he has been confirmed to have indeed existed by many bible scholars which you refuse to except...but i dont think he wrote anything..but hell many great people of the past never wrote anything and we know they existed because people wrote about them...Jesus and Shakespeare dont have anything in common..Jesus didnt write lame emo plays:|

Bible scholars. People who read and study book written by man about some guy who may or may not have existed...as a profession. Doesn't sound that trustworthy to me.

Lame emo plays? The quality of your posts just slid waaaay down.

it means they studied in that field and became a scholar:|...it doesn't mean they preach it just means they STUDIED IN IT AND KNOW ALOT ABOUT IT.....but of course anyone who believes a video that just perfectly puts everything into place would think that a scholar isn't trust worthy..anf btw the bible doesnt just talk about Jesus..but yet again you would believe that:wink:

Moses, Joseph, Noah, various prophets like Jonah and Ezekiel, all the old testament folk. I'm not to worried about them. ;)

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to skim through the dictionary for a bit :evil:

which is why you should take a second look at this video..what about Joseph the great kings talked about in the bible and other people..if you throw that out and focus on one thing then you've already failed in an argument right there.. get all the facts and info before you believe something..now im sleeping i'll debate some other time i have to work tommorow

Hurray for jobless bums like me :D

I'm focusing on one piece of this movie. As soon as I work that over, the rest will follow suit. The video is disproving Christianity and religion as a whole. No need to pick Joseph to represent when ya got Jesus :shock:

I'll get to my point sometime tomorrow when this gets bumped again or something.

the problem with the jesus myth idea is that there is some authentic historical evidence from historians such as josephus, tacitus, and pliny the younger. The Gospels also vividly record the life of Jesus. While that is not that much evidence, consider this.

There is absolutely no historicalevidence from 1st century historians that suggests that the person whom early christians worshipped never in fact existed. the Jesus myth theory is a sham

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="funnymario"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="marcocat"]

Wow :shock:

Thanks a lot to evolving_jesus for posting this, it is not changing my mind since I'm atheist, but it certainly will reinforce my position about religions.

Evolving_Jesus

Don't. The whole movie is a load of inaccurate garbage.

Prove it :o

PS: I'm an athiest too :P

Well the dude who made the video got a whole bunch of his facts wrong. One example would be saying that Thor, son of Oden is ANYTHING like Jesus (which he isn't). Not only that, but this person cited no sources when making claims about pagan Gods who "fit the description" of Jesus.

That's not evidence. That's your views on the movie.

That is evidence. Thor has no similarities with Jesus. He also cited no sources for any of his "facts".

Wrong. Thor was son of A God. Jesus was son of THE God (to Christians of course). Stop trying to mislead people.

You know what's the real shame...

Vids like this that are anti-God get tons of veiws and automatic 4 stars, but vids like the one's this man makesget ignored. *sigh* Should expect that, the world does love it's own...

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

First of all know that this is coming form someone who criticizes Christianity on a regular basis. I certainly don't believe in it:

Okay, I've watched the first 15 mintues of this, and I cannot find any solid evidence (online at least) of all of those other mythological stories involving crucifictions, which would make sense since I'm pretty sure the Romans invented it...

This does not bode well for me trusting much of anything presented as fact in this video. That comedy bit (which I think was George Carlin, not entirely sure) was pretty funny though.

_MURS_

yeah, i wanna believe it.....but i havnt bothered doing any research on this yet...but at the end they just say Jesus doesnt exist.....its historical evidence that he does....i mean if they get the point in which they spent the entire video leading up to wrong....i dont know how credible it is....but it does sound very convincing....

I can't believe he's saying Christianity rips off greek legends!:lol: Somebody said that Achilles' Heel was ripped off in the Bible, and the ONLY similarity was they both said "Heel"!:lol::lol::lol:Silver_Dragon17

remember, while there is little historical evidence outside the new testamentto prove that Jesus actually existed, there is absolutley no historical evidence to prove that Jesus never actually existed

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I can't believe he's saying Christianity rips off greek legends!:lol: Somebody said that Achilles' Heel was ripped off in the Bible, and the ONLY similarity was they both said "Heel"!:lol::lol::lol:mig_killer2

remember, while there is little historical evidence outside the new testamentto prove that Jesus actually existed, there is absolutley no historical evidence to prove that Jesus never actually existed

I am well aware that it is an outgrowth of Judaism, but not Greek legends.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I can't believe he's saying Christianity rips off greek legends!:lol: Somebody said that Achilles' Heel was ripped off in the Bible, and the ONLY similarity was they both said "Heel"!:lol::lol::lol:Silver_Dragon17

remember, while there is little historical evidence outside the new testamentto prove that Jesus actually existed, there is absolutley no historical evidence to prove that Jesus never actually existed

I am well aware that it is an outgrowth of Judaism, but not Greek legends.

So if it is already known it rips of Judaism, why is it such a surprise that it also might take aspects from other religions/philosophies as well?

Judiasm also took ideas from earlier beliefs as well...

And I read the thread you mentioned about achilles/christianity. He mentioned at least 7 or 8 other examples. I agree that the achilles one was not the best, but the others were failry good.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I can't believe he's saying Christianity rips off greek legends!:lol: Somebody said that Achilles' Heel was ripped off in the Bible, and the ONLY similarity was they both said "Heel"!:lol::lol::lol:dnuggs40

remember, while there is little historical evidence outside the new testamentto prove that Jesus actually existed, there is absolutley no historical evidence to prove that Jesus never actually existed

I am well aware that it is an outgrowth of Judaism, but not Greek legends.

So if it is already known it rips of Judaism, why is it such a surprise that it also might take aspects from other religions/philosophies as well?

Judiasm also took ideas from earlier beliefs as well...

And I read the thread you mentioned about achilles/christianity. He mentioned at least 7 or 8 other examples. I agree that the achilles one was not the best, but the others were failry good.

"Rips" is a bad choice of words, what I meant is, Judaism takes teachings and ideas from other theologies as well. You think Judaism is wholey unique and completely original in every aspect? for instance, early Judaism used animal sacrifice, is this unique to Judaism?dnuggs40

the federal reserve part was very interesting, but not that interesting once you realize that the government does have controls over the Fed. also, where exactly did they get the idea that ever penny of our tax dollars is going towards paying down the interest to the fed?mig_killer2

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"][QUOTE="NatsuGaijin"]

I'm in the middle of watching it. Funny, because my friends have been bugging me to watch it and since you've posted it on GS- I was finally convinced.

I am completely consumed into the movie.

Belisarius-9

Dude have you ignored my post? There is losts of evidence of historical Jesus, and please don't get so carried away. Slow down.

http://www.answers.com/topic/historical-jesus

http://www.answers.com/topic/historicity-of-jesus

I'am sure jesus existed, but i consider him no different then those crazy street preachers you see on the streets.

Because, that's basically what he was.

Income tax is used to finance government operations like social services and the war.

We need the federal reserve no matter how much the movie would like to say to the contrary. Before the federal reserve, there were over 30,000 different currencies in circulation (howstuffworks.com). before the federal reserve, often times banks would not have enough money to honor withdrawls made by customers. The fed was created because the economy would often swing wildly from one extreme to another. the fed helps to control this. you really should read up more on the fed and economics before trying to promote this conspiracy theory propaganda

one more piece of BS. the income tax was not created in 1913. It was created during the civil war. that was when income tax was first created here in america

one more thing: the movie would have you believe that the interest the federal reserve charges goes into the pockets of international bankers. That is simply not true. the law says that any of the net earnings left over after the federal reserve bank's expenses are paid for goes right into the U.S treasury.

I watched the whole thing and it has really opened my eyes. I am very worried for my future and the future of everyone I know and care about :(.nooblet69

Wow, this came back rather unexpectedly...TirOrn

I watched the whole thing and it has really opened my eyes. I am very worried for my future and the future of everyone I know and care about :(.nooblet69

[QUOTE="nooblet69"]I watched the whole thing and it has really opened my eyes. I am very worried for my future and the future of everyone I know and care about :(.Evolving_Jesus

Stop bumping this.Silver_Dragon17

Yes, you are right I would rather have a thread about some movie or song instead of our existence roots.:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]Stop bumping this.SlickAndJick

Yes, you are right I would rather have a thread about some movie or song instead of our existence roots.:roll:

It's against he ToU to bump old topics, especially if they're your own.:|

I think what is at the root of this is the Federal Reserve system. While it does stabilise the economy the glaring problem is the interest they charge on every dollar they create. How do they get away with this? 25% of each American's labour is pointless. A quarter of the money they earn goes to pay off this interest, right into the pockets of the small amountbankers who run the Federal Reserve. Why doesn't the American government stop this? I think the government relies heavily on money from the bankers, money theycould not possibly get legally,and that's why they won't stand up and put a stop to this insane interest on the currency. That is basically the root of the problem, more people need to speak up and make others aware of this crazy situation. It is slavery.

The evidence to back up jesus not existing is that there is no evidence to back up him living. all we have are some letter paul wrote, years and yeeeeeears after jesus apparently died,. and the gospels which came 75 years or more after... If you read pauls letters, he is totaly unaware of the idea that jesus was a real person. he even says, "If jesus lived on earth, he would not be a teacher" its clear paul made jesus up as a myth to make nice stories and teachings. read the letters from paul himself... its clear. also, if you read the gospels, its clear they are copies of each other with new bits added to it as you read thru them.Evolving_Jesus

I think what is at the root of this is the Federal Reserve system. While it does stabilise the economy the glaring problem is the interest they charge on every dollar they create. How do they get away with this? 25% of each American's labour is pointless. A quarter of the money they earn goes to pay off this interest, right into the pockets of the small amountbankers who run the Federal Reserve. Why doesn't the American government stop this? I think the government relies heavily on money from the bankers, money theycould not possibly get legally,and that's why they won't stand up and put a stop to this insane interest on the currency. That is basically the root of the problem, more people need to speak up and make others aware of this crazy situation. It is slavery.

bradleybhoy

The movie would have you believe that the money that the Federal Reserve makes goes into the pockets of international bankers and businessmen. This is simply not true. since the creation of the federal reserve in 1914, roughly 95% of all the Federal Reserve's earnings have gone right back into the U.S treasury. By law, the Federal Reserve is required to pay the US treasury any and all of its earnings that are not used to maintain itself

Part 1 is complete BS. Part 2 and 3 are very true and anyone can see that.muchmoneyg

Say, Copernicus, how is Part 1 BS? Care to explain?

Better question "what are we supposed to do about this?"

Their plan is flawless...

[QUOTE="muchmoneyg"]Part 1 is complete BS. Part 2 and 3 are very true and anyone can see that.TERMINAT0R1

Say, Copernicus, how is Part 1 BS? Care to explain?