this sign will make you angry (immigration)

I don't get why some people are going 'America deports ILLEGAL immigrants, that means they're the Nazis'. Hitler victimized and legalized hatred and violence against Jews, America didn't. Nor did America slaughter 11 million illegal immigrants.

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

What should we do about illegal immigration?

SgtKevali

raid and remove them with state troopers

We don't know where they are or who they are. What's your answer to that?

we know where the majority of the illegal population is at, the border states, cali. and arizona specifically. Have Americans call for tips as to where they're at. If we can find fugitives we can find illegals believe me

I don't get why some people are going 'America deports ILLEGAL immigrants, that means they're the Nazis'. Hitler victimized and legalized hatred and violence against Jews, America didn't. Nor did America slaughter 11 million illegal immigrants.

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"] I already told you. Read it again. ;) And btw, some politicians ARE actually in favor of taking away the citizenship of LEGAL American citizens. They try to justify this by some claim that their parents were not from here.Tauruslink

We just have to enforce our laws.

That's nothing like the Holocaust or the Holodomor.

What part of SoCal are you from? What city?

are you afraid he'll call immigration on you? lolz

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

raid and remove them with state troopers

LegitGamer3212

We don't know where they are or who they are. What's your answer to that?

we know where the majority of the illegal population is at, the border states, cali. and arizona specifically. Have Americans call for tips as to where they're at. If we can find fugitives we can find illegals believe me

We're already looking for them with ICE etc. What more can we do? And how would Americans know who's an illegal immirant and who isn't?

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

We don't know where they are or who they are. What's your answer to that?

SgtKevali

we know where the majority of the illegal population is at, the border states, cali. and arizona specifically. Have Americans call for tips as to where they're at. If we can find fugitives we can find illegals believe me

We're already looking for them with ICE etc. What more can we do? And how would Americans know who's an illegal immirant and who isn't?

ICE is powerless to do anything.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

We just have to enforce our laws.

That's nothing like the Holocaust or the Holodomor.

What part of SoCal are you from? What city?

LegitGamer3212

are you afraid he'll call immigration on you? lolz

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

We don't know where they are or who they are. What's your answer to that?

SgtKevali

we know where the majority of the illegal population is at, the border states, cali. and arizona specifically. Have Americans call for tips as to where they're at. If we can find fugitives we can find illegals believe me

We're already looking for them with ICE etc. What more can we do?

kick it up a notch...why are there 13million illegals here and growing? we need the aid of state troopers, that's why i'm all for the new arizona immigration bill. NYC, cali, texas and other states should do the same

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I don't get why some people are going 'America deports ILLEGAL immigrants, that means they're the Nazis'. Hitler victimized and legalized hatred and violence against Jews, America didn't. Nor did America slaughter 11 million illegal immigrants.

Tauruslink

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I don't get why some people are going 'America deports ILLEGAL immigrants, that means they're the Nazis'. Hitler victimized and legalized hatred and violence against Jews, America didn't. Nor did America slaughter 11 million illegal immigrants.

Mafiree

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I don't get why some people are going 'America deports ILLEGAL immigrants, that means they're the Nazis'. Hitler victimized and legalized hatred and violence against Jews, America didn't. Nor did America slaughter 11 million illegal immigrants.

Mafiree

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] To be fair, I didn't say they were Nazis, I merely said that in some way they were similar. I also think these types of comparisons and criticizims are necessary in order to keep something like that from happening again. We shouldn't wait until after people are getting killed to voice out against hatred.

Tauruslink

Lobby in Mexico for stricter drug trafficking penalties then.

The drug cartels are the ones with guns illegally entering out country and shooting people.

looks like that guy's shirt says legalize... probably talking about marijuana. if he doesn't have enough money, he probably shouldn't buy weed, which if he's wearing a shirt to legalize it, he probably smokes it, so he probably buys it.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] To be fair, I didn't say they were Nazis, I merely said that in some way they were similar. I also think these types of comparisons and criticizims are necessary in order to keep something like that from happening again. We shouldn't wait until after people are getting killed to voice out against hatred.

AHUGECAT

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] It is"really" happening in Darfur right now...... Comparing the current anti-immigration laws to Nazi Germany is extremely far off. But, thinking we can deport a significant amount of the illegals currently here is, without tremendous cost, is not possible.weezyfb

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

Yeah they are, an economy that is in a recession.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"] To be fair, I didn't say they were Nazis, I merely said that in some way they were similar. I also think these types of comparisons and criticizims are necessary in order to keep something like that from happening again. We shouldn't wait until after people are getting killed to voice out against hatred.

AHUGECAT

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] It is"really" happening in Darfur right now...... Comparing the current anti-immigration laws to Nazi Germany is extremely far off. But, thinking we can deport a significant amount of the illegals currently here is, without tremendous cost, is not possible.Mafiree

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

It gets worse

Downtown L.A.

AHUGECAT

that people in that pic dont represent all immigrant sentiment its like saying these people represent all Obama's opposition

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

AHUGECAT

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] There are about 3 million illegals in CA Estimated cost was $15 billion in CA (Saw earlier in the thread) Their economic output needs to be $5,000 for their actual "cost" to be non-existent anything greater would be positive contribution to the economy. Mafiree

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

Illegals do not pay taxes.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The illegals already are a tremendous cost.

AHUGECAT

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

AHUGECAT

Illegals do not pay taxes.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] There are about 3 million illegals in CA Estimated cost was $15 billion in CA (Saw earlier in the thread) Their economic output needs to be $5,000 for their actual "cost" to be non-existent anything greater would be positive contribution to the economy. weezyfb

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

It's been that number for the past 10 years. How do they keep count anyways? Apparently we can't find out where they are yet we keep count of them.

I'd say 2.2-3 million in L.A. alone - the city, not the county.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

AHUGECAT

Illegals do not pay taxes.

That sign does make me angry, but for all the unexpected reasons. Globalization and borderless continents are the future. Unified language is the only issue- should it be English, Spanish, or Mandarin? I'm willing to learn a new language for the sake of the masses...are you?

That sign does make me angry, but for all the unexpected reasons. Globalization and borderless continents are the future. Unified language is the only issue- should it be English, Spanish, or Mandarin?

compost-mentis

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] There are about 3 million illegals in CA Estimated cost was $15 billion in CA (Saw earlier in the thread) Their economic output needs to be $5,000 for their actual "cost" to be non-existent anything greater would be positive contribution to the economy. weezyfb

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

That sign does make me angry, but for all the unexpected reasons. Globalization and borderless continents are the future. Unified language is the only issue- should it be English, Spanish, or Mandarin?

AHUGECAT

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

Of course it is. How can you deny that?!

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

Mafiree

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

That sign does make me angry, but for all the unexpected reasons. Globalization and borderless continents are the future. Unified language is the only issue- should it be English, Spanish, or Mandarin?

compost-mentis

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

Of course it is. How can you deny that?!

Because China, Japan, India, and practically every other nation isn't going borderless? If anything, they are going the opposite.

[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

AHUGECAT

Of course it is. How can you deny that?!

Because China, Japan, India, and practically every other nation isn't going borderless? If anything, they are going the opposite.

In what capacity? Do you understand the meaning of the term "globalization"?

That idiot has got some nerve writing a sign like that. We don't owe them jack. It's amazing how someone else from another country, comes into your country and demands you to do something else. That sign needs to be shoved... well you know where.

It's a good thing I'm not a cop living in Arizona.

Like I said in my earlier post in this topic. With stupid hispanics/latinos like them, makes me regret being a Guatemalen hispanic/latino.

Ohhh if I was a cop and saw him waving that sign I would tackle him down.



Did you know a lot of border agents and goes up and down the US, Mexican are hispanic/latinos

Um, no.

Can you tell me a law from the Native Americans (who came from the Bering Strait btw) that said the Europeans couldn't come? How is it illegal immigration if they had no laws about it?

AHUGECAT

This has to be my favorite AHUGECAT post of all-time. :lol: It's like he assumes that when the Europeans arrived here, if they found out that the Native Americans didn't want "illegal immigration" the Europeans would just say "our bad" and turn around. They were going to wipe out the Native Americans no matter what their rules were.

Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.Theokhoth

false statement...their are more than one type of threat. their are direct threats. and terroristic threats. this is a teroristic threat. also when he says "we" will shoot more police he is including himself in that threat.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.bytgames

false statement...their are more than one type of threat. their are direct threats. and terroristic threats. this is a teroristic threat. also when he says "we" will shoot more police he is including himself in that threat.

It's a moot point anyway, this sign looks fake.

He's in for the lulz. :P

[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

AHUGECAT

Of course it is. How can you deny that?!

Because China, Japan, India, and practically every other nation isn't going borderless? If anything, they are going the opposite.

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.Danm_999

false statement...their are more than one type of threat. their are direct threats. and terroristic threats. this is a teroristic threat. also when he says "we" will shoot more police he is including himself in that threat.

It's a moot point anyway, this sign looks fake.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

false statement...their are more than one type of threat. their are direct threats. and terroristic threats. this is a teroristic threat. also when he says "we" will shoot more police he is including himself in that threat.

bytgames

It's a moot point anyway, this sign looks fake.

Why then, would groups like the KKK or PETA not be terrorist organisations? US Federal Law requires something fairly specific to call something terrorism.

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] No, that's not how free speech laws work. Read the case law on Brandenburg v. Ohio to see what it would take for something to be unprotected by free speech; this sign waver wouldn't qualifty.

It's a moot point anyway, this sign looks fake.

Danm_999

Why then, would groups like the KKK or PETA not be terrorist organisations? US Federal Law requires something fairly specific to call something terrorism.

[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

That sign does make me angry, but for all the unexpected reasons. Globalization and borderless continents are the future. Unified language is the only issue- should it be English, Spanish, or Mandarin?

AHUGECAT

Globalization is a myth. It's not happening.

nope a law was passed against terroistic threats while george bush was in office. bytgames

You can't expunge the First Amendment like that. The Patriot Act did not neutralise freedom of speech, nor did it redefine terrorism to include a definition that would support you here.

saying "WE meaning ME except plural is going to shoot POLICEMEN...in ARIZONA....isnt specific enough for you?bytgames

Not really, it fails the immediate incitement of violence test. He's advocating violence, sure, but its the same as when the Klan would hold rallies calling to round up and assault African Americans.

imagine this...imagine it wasnt a sign he was holding up except it was a phone call to the police station saying this...you wouldnt consider that a threat? Thats like me standing in front of the white house saying.....I am going to shoot up the white house if such and such demands arent met...its a terroistic threat and its illegal

bytgames

That example is very different though. You ARE threatening a specific target with an immediate act of violence in that scenario.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, or what he's doing is smart, but that's not terrorism simply advocating the use of violence. The threat needs to be specific and likely to incite immediate violence against a specific target, perpetrated by a specific group.

That's the point of the problems with Brandenburg v. Ohio, courts have had great difficulty in finding something specific enough to test it with. This fake sign isn't going to be the watershed.