this sign will make you angry (immigration)

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

nope a law was passed against terroistic threats while george bush was in office. Danm_999

You can't expunge the First Amendment like that. The Patriot Act did not neutralise freedom of speech, nor did it redefine terrorism to include a definition that would support you here.

saying "WE meaning ME except plural is going to shoot POLICEMEN...in ARIZONA....isnt specific enough for you?bytgames

Not really, it fails the immediate incitement of violence test. He's advocating violence, sure, but its the same as when the Klan would hold rallies calling to round up and assault African Americans.

imagine this...imagine it wasnt a sign he was holding up except it was a phone call to the police station saying this...you wouldnt consider that a threat? Thats like me standing in front of the white house saying.....I am going to shoot up the white house if such and such demands arent met...its a terroistic threat and its illegal

bytgames

That example is very different though. You ARE threatening a specific target with an immediate act of violence in that scenario.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, or what he's doing is smart, but that's not terrorism simply advocating the use of violence. The threat needs to be specific and likely to incite immediate violence against a specific target, perpetrated by a specific group.

That's the point of the problems with Brandenburg v. Ohio, courts have had great difficulty in finding something specific enough to test it with. This fake sign isn't going to be the watershed.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

nope a law was passed against terroistic threats while george bush was in office. bytgames

You can't expunge the First Amendment like that. The Patriot Act did not neutralise freedom of speech, nor did it redefine terrorism to include a definition that would support you here.

saying "WE meaning ME except plural is going to shoot POLICEMEN...in ARIZONA....isnt specific enough for you?bytgames

Not really, it fails the immediate incitement of violence test. He's advocating violence, sure, but its the same as when the Klan would hold rallies calling to round up and assault African Americans.

imagine this...imagine it wasnt a sign he was holding up except it was a phone call to the police station saying this...you wouldnt consider that a threat? Thats like me standing in front of the white house saying.....I am going to shoot up the white house if such and such demands arent met...its a terroistic threat and its illegal

bytgames

That example is very different though. You ARE threatening a specific target with an immediate act of violence in that scenario.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, or what he's doing is smart, but that's not terrorism simply advocating the use of violence. The threat needs to be specific and likely to incite immediate violence against a specific target, perpetrated by a specific group.

That's the point of the problems with Brandenburg v. Ohio, courts have had great difficulty in finding something specific enough to test it with. This fake sign isn't going to be the watershed.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

nope a law was passed against terroistic threats while george bush was in office. bytgames

You can't expunge the First Amendment like that. The Patriot Act did not neutralise freedom of speech, nor did it redefine terrorism to include a definition that would support you here.

saying "WE meaning ME except plural is going to shoot POLICEMEN...in ARIZONA....isnt specific enough for you?bytgames

Not really, it fails the immediate incitement of violence test. He's advocating violence, sure, but its the same as when the Klan would hold rallies calling to round up and assault African Americans.

imagine this...imagine it wasnt a sign he was holding up except it was a phone call to the police station saying this...you wouldnt consider that a threat? Thats like me standing in front of the white house saying.....I am going to shoot up the white house if such and such demands arent met...its a terroistic threat and its illegal

bytgames

That example is very different though. You ARE threatening a specific target with an immediate act of violence in that scenario.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, or what he's doing is smart, but that's not terrorism simply advocating the use of violence. The threat needs to be specific and likely to incite immediate violence against a specific target, perpetrated by a specific group.

That's the point of the problems with Brandenburg v. Ohio, courts have had great difficulty in finding something specific enough to test it with. This fake sign isn't going to be the watershed.

[QUOTE="bytgames"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

That example is very different though. You ARE threatening a specific target with an immediate act of violence in that scenario.

I'm not saying I agree with the guy, or what he's doing is smart, but that's not terrorism simply advocating the use of violence. The threat needs to be specific and likely to incite immediate violence against a specific target, perpetrated by a specific group.

That's the point of the problems with Brandenburg v. Ohio, courts have had great difficulty in finding something specific enough to test it with. This fake sign isn't going to be the watershed.

Danm_999

i agree the sign is probally photo shopped...but saying you will shoot government employees is a terroristic threat

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="bytgames"]my questin is this if its a theat to call the police station and say the same exact words....why is it not a threat if a policemen read that sign.

bytgames

i agree the sign is probally photo shopped...but saying you will shoot government employees is a terroristic threat

wow I swear some of you people must never leave your house.

trying to say it's photoshopped is your only rationale?

can't you fathom the fact it is real, would it crush your precious world.

Deano

Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.Theokhoth

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the bill.

That sign is FAIL. Someone needs to get better at photo shop.

Anyways, no one has given a good reason why the law is bad other than the BS arguments that its racist, that in itself is about the dumbest argument I have ever heard against anything. Of course the illegals are going to be upset about it because they want to stay, of course San Fransisco is going to raise hell about it. That city is backwars anyways, and we should all really listen to San Fransisco and California because they really have their **** together right? And the Dem's will make a big deal about it because its a political tool...

There are both positives and negatives for having illegals here, for Arizona the negatives outweigh the positives and they took a stand. It would be one thing if the entire state disagreed with it but when 70% of the citizens aprove of the law that says there is a huge problem there...

[QUOTE="Deano"]

wow I swear some of you people must never leave your house.

trying to say it's photoshopped is your only rationale?

can't you fathom the fact it is real, would it crush your precious world.

BuryMe

The sign itself is so ridiculous that one might suspect that this guy is some sort of rally crasher.

That's a nice shade of red...

And yes, it made me angry..

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.QuistisTrepe_

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the bill.

Umm just making sure that you do realize that itis a very poorlyphotoshopped sign right?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why would he be arrested? Free speech. And no, that doesn't make me angry, because I know he won't get tax-free jobs for waving a sign. I do know, however, that the new Arizona law will result in a significant increase of crime against police officers, mainly due to the fact that it's an unconstitutional race bill that grants the power to treat Mexicans as second-cIass citizens.Chrypt22

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the bill.

Umm just making sure that you do realize that itis a very poorlyphotoshopped sign right?

If it is, it still doesn't change the fact that this is essentially the mindset of the May Day protesters.

Also, lol, Alex Jones and Infowars.

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the bill.

QuistisTrepe_

Umm just making sure that you do realize that itis a very poorlyphotoshopped sign right?

If it is, it still doesn't change the fact that this is essentially the mindset of the May Day protesters.

Oh it is... it has MS Paint all over it. Yeah the illegals are angry and I actually agree with the law. There isnt any validargument that I have heard saying why the law is bad. Its all scare tactics and assumptions used by people opposing the law. The Dems oppose the law because its a Republican state, just as Republicans would oppose it if the Democrats came up with it.

Yes, there is something fundamentally wrong with people coming to this country illegaly and then expecting tax payers to pay for english classes and more or less a free hand out cause life is hard. Its just not a illegal problem, there are plenty of Americans that expect the free hand out. This country has gone away from innovation and hard work to feeling like we are entitled to everything. "Everyone should own a house," "Everyone should own a car," I expect the government to bail me out when I have too much debt, pay may medical insurance... blah blah blah. Its just not an illegal problem, and I dont even think they all feel that way... I would venture to guess that some of them really want to work and make a living. But their voice has been stomped out by the ones fueling gangs, the drug cartels, crime in general, the entitlists.. etc.

wow, bet he wasn't arrested either

Deano

He be RL trollin.

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

There are probably 3 million illegals in LA alone.

AHUGECAT

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

I'd say 2.2-3 million in L.A. alone - the city, not the county.

Here's some recent demographic data for LA.

PLEASE tell me you were joking.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

actually the number is 2,209,000 in California

gamerguru100

I'd say 2.2-3 million in L.A. alone - the city, not the county.

Here's some recent demographic data for LA.

PLEASE tell me you were joking.

Those demographics don't include illegals, who make up the vast majority of L.A.'s population. Living here I'd know that.

Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.Solid_Tango

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.AHUGECAT

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.AHUGECAT

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.Solid_Tango

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

It belonged to Mexico (California) for like 20 years until Americas bought it (Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). Before then it belonged to the Spanish Empire and before that the Native Americans (and before that the animals).

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.despa1r_fact0r

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

Yeah I plan on going to broadway soon.

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

AHUGECAT

Yeah I plan on going to broadway soon.

What happened to you leaving to film illegal the other day, along with the illegal outside of Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status?

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.AHUGECAT

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"] You see it all the time, so that video that you are going to show us should have several examples then right?

despa1r_fact0r

Yeah I plan on going to broadway soon.

What happened to you leaving to film illegal the other day, along with the illegal outside of Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status?

Broadway is a section in Downtown L.A. that is 95% illegals (and anchors).

And I got the footage but it wasn't as good as I thought because it wasn't a busy day and I went on a street I didn't want to go on, but I did get a few good shots.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Photoshoped? i cant believe someone will actually put something like that up.wstfld

I see it all the time.

Los Angeles even has a street (Olvera) dedicated to Mexican Supremacist merchandise. I've been told dozens of times that "We are taking this country back!" all the time.

Just look at this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

Los Angeles has a Spanish name because of the Spaniards.

And Los Angeles was a nothing city under Mexico, it was 40 acres and a burro pretty much. Didn't even have a population over 1,000. It was only a Mexican city for like 25 years, that's it.

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yeah I plan on going to broadway soon.

AHUGECAT

What happened to you leaving to film illegal the other day, along with the illegal outside of Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status?

Broadway is a section in Downtown L.A. that is 95% illegals (and anchors).

And I got the footage but it wasn't as good as I thought because it wasn't a busy day and I went on a street I didn't want to go on, but I did get a few good shots.

or are you just wanting to capture footage of the few fringe people in the rally and then editing the film so it seems like all the people are those type of people?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]Broadway?

What happened to you leaving to film illegal the other day, along with the illegal outside of Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status?

despa1r_fact0r

Broadway is a section in Downtown L.A. that is 95% illegals (and anchors).

And I got the footage but it wasn't as good as I thought because it wasn't a busy day and I went on a street I didn't want to go on, but I did get a few good shots.

or are you just wanting to capture footage of the few fringe people in the rally and they editing the film so it seems like all the people are those type of people?

A lot of people weren't out that day, even in Hollywood/North Hollywood (I went there too). But Saturday there'll be a lot, and the Downtown Area is the perfect place to get videos of illegals.

i wouldnt be surprised if i saw a red laser pointing at his head.

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Broadway is a section in Downtown L.A. that is 95% illegals (and anchors).

And I got the footage but it wasn't as good as I thought because it wasn't a busy day and I went on a street I didn't want to go on, but I did get a few good shots.

AHUGECAT

or are you just wanting to capture footage of the few fringe people in the rally and they editing the film so it seems like all the people are those type of people?

A lot of people weren't out that day, even in Hollywood/North Hollywood (I went there too). But Saturday there'll be a lot, and the Downtown Area is the perfect place to get videos of illegals.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]So the footage you captured the other day wasn't "good" well you say you have you have over 2 million illegals in LA and you couldn't find one to brag about the water fountains and their illegal satus?

or are you just wanting to capture footage of the few fringe people in the rally and they editing the film so it seems like all the people are those type of people?

despa1r_fact0r

A lot of people weren't out that day, even in Hollywood/North Hollywood (I went there too). But Saturday there'll be a lot, and the Downtown Area is the perfect place to get videos of illegals.

I don't need to go to a rally, they're always there all the time.

and I'm uploading the footage right now.

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

A lot of people weren't out that day, even in Hollywood/North Hollywood (I went there too). But Saturday there'll be a lot, and the Downtown Area is the perfect place to get videos of illegals.

AHUGECAT

I don't need to go to a rally, they're always there all the time.

and I'm uploading the footage right now.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]You said that there would be a lot of people out this past Saturday (I'm guess during the May Day Rallies) and there wasn't any good footage....:? You said that they the illegals openly brag about their illegal status at Home Depot do it all the time and this was a week ago and you haven't provided YOUR OWN proof of footage instead we keep getting...."I'm waiting for a better rally" but were still waiting for the Home Depot footage :|despa1r_fact0r

I don't need to go to a rally, they're always there all the time.

and I'm uploading the footage right now.

if you want to see that go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeSlPlXGGI

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

I don't need to go to a rally, they're always there all the time.

and I'm uploading the footage right now.

AHUGECAT

if you want to see that go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeSlPlXGGI

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]Good looking forward to seeing the illegals at Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status.despa1r_fact0r

if you want to see that go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeSlPlXGGI

do you live in los angeles

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]Good looking forward to seeing the illegals at Home Depot bragging about their water fountains and illegal status.AHUGECAT

if you want to see that go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeSlPlXGGI

do you live in los angeles

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"]You said that there would be a lot of people out this past Saturday (I'm guess during the May Day Rallies) and there wasn't any good footage....:? You said that they the illegals openly brag about their illegal status at Home Depot do it all the time and this was a week ago and you haven't provided YOUR OWN proof of footage instead we keep getting...."I'm waiting for a better rally" but were still waiting for the Home Depot footage :|AHUGECAT

I don't need to go to a rally, they're always there all the time.

and I'm uploading the footage right now.

I pray to God that photoshoping was involved.

dercoo

wow, bet he wasn't arrested either

Deano

[QUOTE="Deano"]

wow, bet he wasn't arrested either

R0CKSTAR184

I have a few problems with this whole thread.

1.) We're arguing over a photoshopped picture that doesn't even have a link or story behind it.