TIP: How NOT to get a tip/gratuity.

Two times I didn't leave a tip:

1) Went to a restaurant with a beautiful view. That's WHY we went to it. There was hardly anybody else there, but instead of seating us at one of the many empty tables in front of the windows, she stuck us in some dark little hole in the back.

2) Finished our meal and waited about 15 minutes for our bill. Asked another waitress, who told us our waitress was on break. Waited another 15 minutes, asked again, she was still on break. The other girl brought us our bill. Hey, hope you enjoyed your half hour break.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I'm not "cheating" anyone out of their tip.Seraphy-

Two times I didn't leave a tip:

1) Went to a restaurant with a beautiful view. That's WHY we went to it. There was hardly anybody else there, but instead of seating us at one of the many empty tables in front of the windows, she stuck us in some dark little hole in the back.

2) Finished our meal and waited about 15 minutes for our bill. Asked another waitress, who told us our waitress was on break. Waited another 15 minutes, asked again, she was still on break. The other girl brought us our bill. Hey, hope you enjoyed your half hour break.

Jackc8

[QUOTE="Jackc8"]

Two times I didn't leave a tip:

1) Went to a restaurant with a beautiful view. That's WHY we went to it. There was hardly anybody else there, but instead of seating us at one of the many empty tables in front of the windows, she stuck us in some dark little hole in the back.

2) Finished our meal and waited about 15 minutes for our bill. Asked another waitress, who told us our waitress was on break. Waited another 15 minutes, asked again, she was still on break. The other girl brought us our bill. Hey, hope you enjoyed your half hour break.

Jandurin

That's what came to mind. I mean, "duh"?

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

dip my helmet in his soup.

Jandurin

seriously...ow.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

dip my helmet in his soup.

Necrifer

seriously...ow.

The tip-out I have to give at the end of my shift is based on sales, not tip (I work 2 jobs... being just a server is too inconsistant). The bartenders, bussers, backwaiters, and hosts are gonna get their share no matter how much I get tipped, with the $2.13 basically covering taxes. I'm the first one to own up to a problem if it's my own goof, but I have no control over the kitchen failing to communicate right on a Fish & Chips w/ lobster tail when we're forbidden from talking to the cooks (we can talk to managers or the expo), but all I can do is try to keep you happy with drinks and the managers once they have to recook something. The hosts don't communicate and triple-seat me with no one to help keep my existing tables hydrated. I get accused of stealing a credit card then tipped $.40 because I embarassed her by finding the card on the table.

Servers are there to provide good service and hospitality, most importantly to try and make the day/night enjoyable, but considering all that can go wrong that servers end up getting blamed for, it makes for a stressful and thankless job that you just have to put out of mind at the end of it. The thankless, entitled, evil nature of some people is apparent in here, especially those who never tip for anything (for DevilMightCry, if all of those are happening then I can't blame you for not wanting to leave a tip or leaving something small, but you'd be surprised how many leave 8 or 10% for what they call great service), and those are the kinds of people that restaurants should be allowed to ban. but alas.

I'm not saying there aren't times when the server doesn't deserve a tip. The problem is that there are many who feel entitled not to, as though they'll leave me $4 total for serving 4 people that spent $30 a piece and think they were being nice. People suck when they think only about themselves.

TC has clearly never worked in a resturant, and I would be surprised if he has even worked a day in his life. 40% tip when they are good? wtf man it isnt charity as you've said yourself why would you give them a 40% tip. Did you pay for the happy ending?

TC has clearly never worked in a resturant, and I would be surprised if he has even worked a day in his life. 40% tip when they are good? wtf man it isnt charity as you've said yourself why would you give them a 40% tip. Did you pay for the happy ending?

Hubadubalubahu

TC has clearly never worked in a resturant, and I would be surprised if he has even worked a day in his life. 40% tip when they are good? wtf man it isnt charity as you've said yourself why would you give them a 40% tip. Did you pay for the happy ending?

Hubadubalubahu

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

TC has clearly never worked in a resturant, and I would be surprised if he has even worked a day in his life. 40% tip when they are good? wtf man it isnt charity as you've said yourself why would you give them a 40% tip. Did you pay for the happy ending?

DevilMightCry

:lol: A tip near half the price of the meal? Your one strange guy. This is just unrealistic tipping. "Im frugal enough to not tip based on how someone looks, what music the resturant is playing (which is usually the same everytime you go to that resturant, they don't have a dj.), if they come to my table 5 min too early, or if they come to the table 5 min too late." And if the employer does have them do a pre-determined gratuity, which is usually only done if you are with a large group of people, then how is it the servers fault? Your just so wrong in the way you are rating servers service it is not even humerous. When you grow up and actually have a job where you have to deal with people on a daily basis, I hope you have to deal with a customer like yourself.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

TC has clearly never worked in a resturant, and I would be surprised if he has even worked a day in his life. 40% tip when they are good? wtf man it isnt charity as you've said yourself why would you give them a 40% tip. Did you pay for the happy ending?

Hubadubalubahu

:lol: A tip near half the price of the meal? Your one strange guy. This is just unrealistic tipping. "Im frugal enough to not tip based on how someone looks, what music the resturant is playing (which is usually the same everytime you go to that resturant, they don't have a dj.), if they come to my table 5 min too early, or if they come to the table 5 min too late." And if the employer does have them do a pre-determined gratuity, which is usually only done if you are with a large group of people, then how is it the servers fault? Your just so wrong in the way you are rating servers service it is not even humerous. When you grow up and actually have a job where you have to deal with people on a daily basis, I hope you have to deal with a customer like yourself.

I usually have to receive very bad service for me not to tip well. Bad service to me is ignoring or forgetting about the customer, acting rude or disrespectful to them, extremely long waits with no explanation, and other things along those lines. I dont care about their weight or the music. Those things arent by their choice. At least not their choice that day. I am rewarding their behavior and service.

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I said 20-40% depending where. Also, when you pay $20 for a meal, $8 isn't that much (it is 40%), so you've clealy never been to a restaurant to know when you receive great service it is worth it to give a good tip, because you're pleased with the experience as a whole.DevilMightCry

:lol: A tip near half the price of the meal? Your one strange guy. This is just unrealistic tipping. "Im frugal enough to not tip based on how someone looks, what music the resturant is playing (which is usually the same everytime you go to that resturant, they don't have a dj.), if they come to my table 5 min too early, or if they come to the table 5 min too late." And if the employer does have them do a pre-determined gratuity, which is usually only done if you are with a large group of people, then how is it the servers fault? Your just so wrong in the way you are rating servers service it is not even humerous. When you grow up and actually have a job where you have to deal with people on a daily basis, I hope you have to deal with a customer like yourself.

I don't want to hear music, especially if it's loud, and hip hop.

DevilMightCry

... you need to go to a proper restaurant...

Tipping is for suckers. Give me bad service and I will complain. Look they were hired by the restaurant to serve you. If they do give good service, then I leave and return to eat another day. I get bad service I complain to owner\ management threaten to not ever come back and tell everyone I know not to eat here for the service was crap. This at most times gets an apology and 50% of the meal then the owner can go and explained to sever that she must step it up or find a new job. Tipping is for suckers PS.. I do tip on dates but I have other agendas when on date. And not tipping seems to be a turn off for the girl who at one point was a sever most of the time. So I always tip on date Addict187

^Huge douche.

I tip from 120%-150% because I almost never eat at restaurants.

Plus they act all nice to you next time you come in.

protip - you're an awful personJandurin

[QUOTE="Addict187"]Tipping is for suckers. Give me bad service and I will complain. Look they were hired by the restaurant to serve you. If they do give good service, then I leave and return to eat another day. I get bad service I complain to owner\ management threaten to not ever come back and tell everyone I know not to eat here for the service was crap. This at most times gets an apology and 50% of the meal then the owner can go and explained to sever that she must step it up or find a new job. Tipping is for suckers PS.. I do tip on dates but I have other agendas when on date. And not tipping seems to be a turn off for the girl who at one point was a sever most of the time. So I always tip on date Hubadubalubahu

^Huge douche.

I always tip. No matter if they deserve it or not.

[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]

[QUOTE="Addict187"]Tipping is for suckers. Give me bad service and I will complain. Look they were hired by the restaurant to serve you. If they do give good service, then I leave and return to eat another day. I get bad service I complain to owner\ management threaten to not ever come back and tell everyone I know not to eat here for the service was crap. This at most times gets an apology and 50% of the meal then the owner can go and explained to sever that she must step it up or find a new job. Tipping is for suckers PS.. I do tip on dates but I have other agendas when on date. And not tipping seems to be a turn off for the girl who at one point was a sever most of the time. So I always tip on date Addict187

^Huge douche.

You've got me pegged. Amazing how you could so accurately analyze my psych with the two words I said.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]protip - you're an awful personUltraZero

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

[QUOTE="UltraZero"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]protip - you're an awful personTHE_DRUGGIE

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="UltraZero"]UltraZero

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

WHOOPS, quoted the wrong post.

I won't do something dumb and go through the trouble of editing it down to one word, though. Best to have your mistakes out for people to see so you can be more careful and effective in the future.

When you go out to eat and get terrible service you can thank all these people who tip regardless of service quality. When you tip for bad service you are removing ALL incentive they have to give good service. The problem is tips being commonplace. They are expected, the bare minimum is done as a result, rinse repeat. If I get crappy service and the place is packed I will understand. If I go into an empty restaurant and sit there for 20 mins to get my order taken and then never get a refill offer you bet your ass they aren't getting #*$& but the bill amount.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="UltraZero"]UltraZero

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

[QUOTE="UltraZero"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

OmegaAxl

[QUOTE="UltraZero"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I tip high regardless of gender.

Then again I think I'm bisexual so I dunno.

OmegaAxl

I said maybe.

When you go out to eat and get terrible service you can thank all these people who tip regardless of service quality. When you tip for bad service you are removing ALL incentive they have to give good service. The problem is tips being commonplace. They are expected, the bare minimum is done as a result, rinse repeat. If I get crappy service and the place is packed I will understand. If I go into an empty restaurant and sit there for 20 mins to get my order taken and then never get a refill offer you bet your ass they aren't getting #*$& but the bill amount.

Alter_Echo

I tip better than most.DevilMightCry

Percentage?

[QUOTE="OmegaAxl"][QUOTE="UltraZero"] Why are you telling me this?THE_DRUGGIE

I said maybe.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Yeah brah...why even give them tip food served... they didn't make it, right brah? I tip for a service not out of charity.XilePrincess

What you've said is sort of true. Tip-out is a percentage of a waiter's tips, not their wage. At least here in Canada. That's against the law. An employee's wages can only be garnished by creditors or the government, and only when authorised. And would not doubt that it is the same in the United States, because there is no place here where it is legal to dock pay anymore.

That said, I personally disagree with this when the kitchen staff makes far more money per-hour than the wait staff; they should not get a portion of a waiter's tips.

I will generally tip so long as the wait staff is not ignorant. If they never ask me how the food is, it's guaranteed I won't tip. If they give me attitude, I won't tip. If they spend their time gossipping with co-workers instead of serving customers (not just myself), I won't tip.

Further, in this advanced day and age, if they do not ask us about any food allergies or conditions, I am a bit perturbed as this is not only a reflection on the wait staff, but the management as well. A large portion of the population has some sort of food-related condition, whether it be an allergy, an intolerance or a disease such diabetes or candida.

Now, if the kitchen screws up my order, I'm not going to blame them for it if they handle it with an ounce of grace. I'm tipping them, not the kitchen.

And it doesn't matter what kind of restaurant I go to. Music...well, if I walk into a place that's blaring anything, I'll ask them to lower the volume, and if they don't, I'll walk right out. It needs to be quiet enough to have a conversation.

I generally give a 20% tip or better so long as no one has been upset. I also compliment good service where I find it. This is because I work in customer service and technical support. I have a very professional and personal view on this topic myself because most of my family has handled customer service, and we try to put a personal touch on each situation; they tend to get resolved a lot better that way. And while I agree with some of the points that the TC has dropped, they basically amount to only one of the items that I mentioned. Of all the places I have ever been, I think I've only not tipped maybe three or four times.

The TC carries a genuine Customer From Hell attitude. Your obscure carrot-stick approach is not appreciated in any facet of customer service, and you need to reconsider things that are not within the wait-staff's control. Not all of them are minimum-wagers, but I'll tell you, most of them that are work a lot harder than those who are not. And it helps to be reasonable, which your criteria mostly is not.

If you don't like someone you don't know touching you (I personally don't, either), you just tell them so. I usually just use eye contact and facial gestures. I have yet to see someone that didn't get the message, and you'll probably get respect points because you let them know that they're out-of-bounds without making it known to the rest of the world. Either that or you gave them your best Jack Nicholson impression and scared the hell out of them...which might get you great service or none at all.

And I have some personal pet-peeves as well. Unrelated upselling is a big one. Related upselling is something I appreciate, but won't give bonus points for. Screwing up my order and not taking ownership for it is a big one as well. But these are things that are all within reason. Most of what the TC dumped on us is a blanket order of things that seem arbitrary and draconian at best.

Here are some good tips on what not to do, compiled from my experience. 1. Get my order wrong. Wrong appetizers, meals and desserts. Beverages? Not so much. 2. Bring main course first then appetizers. There is a reason why it's called that. 3. Look for a server to order. I shouldn't have to look for anybody once I sit down. 4. You're playing annoying music in the background. I don't want to hear F$%&@#! music. You don't know my taste. I don't want to hear music, especially if it's loud, and hip hop. 5. You don't come to the table often enough. I want refills. When you see I look like I need one or something else, come and serve me, please. 6. You come to the table too often. STFU with the "How are we doing tonight" already! Can't you see me I am eating? 7. Don't touch me, my wife/girlfriend/S.O. or my kids. Don't asume I'm friendly. 8. Pre-determined gratuity. Ohh yeah? Your employer knows how much I was going to tip? Well, I guess then it's fine if you just get the bare minimum since they know better. 9. You don't greet me/welcome me, or don't thank me. 10. You're ugly. Or ugly and fat. Ugly fat people get less tip. Sorry, but.. dawrwinism at work.

DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]

Here are some good tips on what not to do, compiled from my experience. 1. Get my order wrong. Wrong appetizers, meals and desserts. Beverages? Not so much. 2. Bring main course first then appetizers. There is a reason why it's called that. 3. Look for a server to order. I shouldn't have to look for anybody once I sit down. 4. You're playing annoying music in the background. I don't want to hear F$%&@#! music. You don't know my taste. I don't want to hear music, especially if it's loud, and hip hop. 5. You don't come to the table often enough. I want refills. When you see I look like I need one or something else, come and serve me, please. 6. You come to the table too often. STFU with the "How are we doing tonight" already! Can't you see me I am eating? 7. Don't touch me, my wife/girlfriend/S.O. or my kids. Don't asume I'm friendly. 8. Pre-determined gratuity. Ohh yeah? Your employer knows how much I was going to tip? Well, I guess then it's fine if you just get the bare minimum since they know better. 9. You don't greet me/welcome me, or don't thank me. 10. You're ugly. Or ugly and fat. Ugly fat people get less tip. Sorry, but.. dawrwinism at work.

WilliamRLBaker

He's probably another dumbass who thinks that evolution has a goal, which would be, in his case, to make everyone look pretty.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

When you go out to eat and get terrible service you can thank all these people who tip regardless of service quality. When you tip for bad service you are removing ALL incentive they have to give good service. The problem is tips being commonplace. They are expected, the bare minimum is done as a result, rinse repeat. If I get crappy service and the place is packed I will understand. If I go into an empty restaurant and sit there for 20 mins to get my order taken and then never get a refill offer you bet your ass they aren't getting #*$& but the bill amount.

Addict187

You're going to pay them no matter what. If there was no such thing as a tip menu prices would inevitably rise. You're paying either way, except in one way they decide what you pay no matter the service.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I tip better than most.topsemag55

Percentage?

When you go out to eat and get terrible service you can thank all these people who tip regardless of service quality. When you tip for bad service you are removing ALL incentive they have to give good service. The problem is tips being commonplace. They are expected, the bare minimum is done as a result, rinse repeat. If I get crappy service and the place is packed I will understand. If I go into an empty restaurant and sit there for 20 mins to get my order taken and then never get a refill offer you bet your ass they aren't getting #*$& but the bill amount.

Alter_Echo

Here are some good tips on what not to do, compiled from my experience. 1. Get my order wrong. Wrong appetizers, meals and desserts. Beverages? Not so much. 2. Bring main course first then appetizers. There is a reason why it's called that. 3. Look for a server to order. I shouldn't have to look for anybody once I sit down. 4. You're playing annoying music in the background. I don't want to hear F$%&@#! music. You don't know my taste. I don't want to hear music, especially if it's loud, and hip hop. 5. You don't come to the table often enough. I want refills. When you see I look like I need one or something else, come and serve me, please. 6. You come to the table too often. STFU with the "How are we doing tonight" already! Can't you see me I am eating? 7. Don't touch me, my wife/girlfriend/S.O. or my kids. Don't asume I'm friendly. 8. Pre-determined gratuity. Ohh yeah? Your employer knows how much I was going to tip? Well, I guess then it's fine if you just get the bare minimum since they know better. 9. You don't greet me/welcome me, or don't thank me. 10. You're ugly. Or ugly and fat. Ugly fat people get less tip. Sorry, but.. dawrwinism at work.

DevilMightCry

MrGeezer

Not sure when OT got to the point where it needed help learning the etiquette of tipping, let alone help understanding why we tip, but good job helping some people out :lol: .