to you, is abortion morally wrong?

Morally, yes it's wrong. But who cares about morals these days. Use abortion for birth control.Use it for fun. Go nuts. Forget personal responsibility or sense, who needs those?

[QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontblooddemon666

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontshroomario

They are above us. Bow down, infidel, bow down.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontshroomario

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontshroomario

they're a living creature, that has to account for some amount of soul. and I'm sure a fully developed tapeworm has more soul than a fetus.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]ummm, WTF are you talking about?blooddemon666

see:

[QUOTE="MaTt345"]

[QUOTE="shroomario"]wow your a mean personblooddemon666

HES a mean person, lol wow i just read in another thread that u think that someone deserves to get shot cause he doesn't believe in god. You make me sick.

[QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontblooddemon666

they're a living creature, that has to account for some amount of soul. and I'm sure a fully developed tapeworm has more soul than a fetus.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="shroomario"]its still life that wich the baby deserves a chance to liveSolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Abortion, yes. Stem cell, no. Don't waste the fetus when it can seriously benefit humanity. Sort of like throwing out a can of Coke, knowing it has the cure to cancer in the aluminum. Hypothetical, of course.Ezgam3r

Then again, I heard that hospitals throw out quite a lot that's still usable. I don't remember where I heard it, but they do do this. Not medical waste, usable things.

[QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontblooddemon666

they're a living creature, that has to account for some amount of soul. and I'm sure a fully developed tapeworm has more soul than a fetus.

The bottom line is that it is HUMAN, and naturally we value human lives more than tapeworm lives.

It's the mother's decision to let the fetus live or die. In some cases death is the best option for both the fetus everyone else involved.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

[QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]The decision is that of the person. If they wish to remove a parasite from their insides, go ahead...shroomario

then you should get mad when people have tapeworms removed >___>

I still consider it an organ when it is inside a vestigial one at that. not a baby yet. Its the same as the difference between lava and magma.

[QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontblooddemon666

they're a living creature, that has to account for some amount of soul. and I'm sure a fully developed tapeworm has more soul than a fetus.

So, when do you consider a human to be a human?Conception? 6 months? 7 months? 8 months? 8 months and 1 day? 8 months 2 days and 7 minutes? When does human life start? Does it ever?

and how is this?verparanoidpers

fully developed tapeworm = able to live on own without host, albiet a short amount of time

0-4month old fetus = almost no documented cases of a premature birth at that age have seen life past a few hours.

in order to argue about soul, we have to have a clear definition of what it is. and we obviously have two totally differing opinions on what a "soul" is, or even if it exists.

So, when do you consider a human to be a human?Conception? 6 months? 7 months? 8 months? 8 months and 1 day? 8 months 2 days and 7 minutes? When does human life start? Does it ever?

sonicare

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]and how is this?blooddemon666

fully developed tapeworm = able to live on own without host, albiet a short amount of time

0-4month old fetus = almost no documented cases of a premature birth at that age have seen life past a few hours.

in order to argue about soul, we have to have a clear definition of what it is. and we obviously have two totally differing opinions on what a "soul" is, or even if it exists.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

So, when do you consider a human to be a human?Conception? 6 months? 7 months? 8 months? 8 months and 1 day? 8 months 2 days and 7 minutes? When does human life start? Does it ever?

blooddemon666

There have been children that can survive as early as 24 weeks gestation. But then again, no child can survive on its own without assistance, so really, until someone hits about 10-15 years old, life doesn't really start IMO.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]and how is this?verparanoidpers

fully developed tapeworm = able to live on own without host, albiet a short amount of time

0-4month old fetus = almost no documented cases of a premature birth at that age have seen life past a few hours.

in order to argue about soul, we have to have a clear definition of what it is. and we obviously have two totally differing opinions on what a "soul" is, or even if it exists.

but the tapeworm doesn't have the potential to become a humanverparanoidpers

we kill our own people over the most trivial of matters.. you don't see tapeworms going around murdering other tapeworms. Personally, I think that's more moral than anything we coud cook up.

Again, we kill our own every day, what's killing a few more.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]and how is this?Def_Jef88

fully developed tapeworm = able to live on own without host, albiet a short amount of time

0-4month old fetus = almost no documented cases of a premature birth at that age have seen life past a few hours.

in order to argue about soul, we have to have a clear definition of what it is. and we obviously have two totally differing opinions on what a "soul" is, or even if it exists.

The internet. And ball bearings.

The internet. And ball bearings.

sonicare

tape worm wow whoever brought that up has no life and has tapeworms in them shroomario

parable mofo do you understand them?!

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The internet. And ball bearings.

blooddemon666

Or superior intellect? Acutally I think dolphins got us beat...

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Abortion, yes. Stem cell, no. Don't waste the fetus when it can seriously benefit humanity. Sort of like throwing out a can of Coke, knowing it has the cure to cancer in the aluminum. Hypothetical, of course.Video_Game_King

Then again, I heard that hospitals throw out quite a lot that's still usable. I don't remember where I heard it, but they do do this. Not medical waste, usable things.

And just think of all those stem cells they throw away. There's about 150 million births every year in the world and every one of them has an umbilical cord. Just think how many stem cells could be given to help further research. Even if we only were able to get a million umbilical cords, it would still be a huge help.

tape worm wow whoever brought that up has no life and has tapeworms in them shroomario

tape worm wow whoever brought that up has no life and has tapeworms in them shroomario

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]but the tapeworm doesn't have the potential to become a humanblooddemon666

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The internet. And ball bearings.

blooddemon666

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

The internet. And ball bearings.

Kritical_Strike

Or superior intellect? Acutally I think dolphins got us beat...

any being that kills, simply for pleasure, is pretty low in my book.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

The internet. And ball bearings.

blooddemon666

Or superior intellect? Acutally I think dolphins got us beat...

any being that kills, simply for pleasure, is pretty low in my book.

Fellow human beings, we should take the example of tapeworms, and not kill eachother.

Again, we kill our own every day, what's killing a few more.

blooddemon666

uhhhh, YES!!!!! is it really that hard to figure out?verparanoidpers

quite. for me, a creature that kills out of spite, or pleasure isn't very good.

so by that logic it perfectly acceptable and moral for me to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone else you've ever loved, known, or cared aboutverparanoidpers

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

Again, we kill our own every day, what's killing a few more.

Ezgam3r

removing organs is different from killing a living being.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]uhhhh, YES!!!!! is it really that hard to figure out?blooddemon666

quite. for me, a creature that kills out of spite, or pleasure isn't very good.

so by that logic it perfectly acceptable and moral for me to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone else you've ever loved, known, or cared aboutverparanoidpers

What about mentally retarded people?

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]uhhhh, YES!!!!! is it really that hard to figure out?blooddemon666

quite. for me, a creature that kills out of spite, or pleasure isn't very good.

so by that logic it perfectly acceptable and moral for me to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone else you've ever loved, known, or cared aboutverparanoidpers

[QUOTE="shroomario"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="shroomario"]wow, tapeworm. humans are superior to animals and whatever a tapeworm is because we have souls and they dontblooddemon666

they're a living creature, that has to account for some amount of soul. and I'm sure a fully developed tapeworm has more soul than a fetus.

Wow I'm sorry but that bold part just made me bust out laughing. A tapeworm has more soul than a fetus? You sound like you are trying to imply that the fetus has no musical imagination or something hahaha More soul that a fetus roflmao

Anway, your argument is flawed. Life and soul are two different things. Just because something is "alive," doesn't mean it has a soul. Oh and a soul is not something that comes in varying amounts as you seem to believe lol.

of course not bro..everyone has their own choices they can make..for example, to you, is going on online forums to waste some time morally wrong? ( i know it's out of context but w\e lol)someone having an abortion doesn't affect YOU, why would it? you don't know what the person has gone through. who are we to tell someone what they can't do because of what WE think. just like no one pounces at you for being a gamer

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]uhhhh, YES!!!!! is it really that hard to figure out?blooddemon666

quite. for me, a creature that kills out of spite, or pleasure isn't very good.

so by that logic it perfectly acceptable and moral for me to kill you, your family, your friends, and everyone else you've ever loved, known, or cared aboutverparanoidpers

Yea becuz you can sure prove that one :roll:

of course not bro..everyone has their own choices they can make..for example, to you, is going on online forums to waste some time morally wrong? ( i know it's out of context but w\e lol)someone having an abortion doesn't affect YOU, why would it? you don't know what the person has gone through. who are we to tell someone what they can't do because of what WE think. just like no one pounces at you for being a gamer

sToK3d

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

Again, we kill our own every day, what's killing a few more.

blooddemon666

removing organs is different from killing a living being.

Wow I'm sorry but that bold part just made me bust out laughing. A tapeworm has more soul than a fetus? You sound like you are trying to imply that the fetus has no musical imagination or something hahaha More soul that a fetus roflmao

Anway, your argument is flawed. Life and soul are two different things. Just because something is "alive," doesn't mean it has a soul. Oh and a soul is not something that comes in varying amounts as you seem to believe lol.

Forerunner-117

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"]

Wow I'm sorry but that bold part just made me bust out laughing. A tapeworm has more soul than a fetus? You sound like you are trying to imply that the fetus has no musical imagination or something hahaha More soul that a fetus roflmao

Anway, your argument is flawed. Life and soul are two different things. Just because something is "alive," doesn't mean it has a soul. Oh and a soul is not something that comes in varying amounts as you seem to believe lol.

blooddemon666

but it willverparanoidpers

ah... and now we get to "the potential of a fetus to be a great thinker, to cure cancer" argument. what if the fetus were to be a serial killer, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a strain on society

of course not bro..everyone has their own choices they can make..for example, to you, is going on online forums to waste some time morally wrong? ( i know it's out of context but w\e lol)someone having an abortion doesn't affect YOU, why would it? you don't know what the person has gone through. who are we to tell someone what they can't do because of what WE think. just like no one pounces at you for being a gamer

sToK3d

You are right sir, it doesn't affect me, it affects the living fetus.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]but it willblooddemon666

ah... and now we get to "the potential of a fetus to be a great thinker, to cure cancer" argument. what if the fetus were to be a serial killer, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a strain on society

isn't that called truth by authority?verparanoidpers

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]isn't that called truth by authority?blooddemon666