to you, is abortion morally wrong?

No, it isn't. Human being or not, it's better to never have been born than to be an unwanted child, nothing good can come out of that. Of course, that's just my opinion.

Is murder morally wrong?SaugaGames

Depends on the circumstances. I don't have a problem with early-term abortion if the mother isn't financially stable or mentally prepared to raise a child. Particularly if she's single, or very young and still in school.

I do think it's sad that some women have repeated abortions as a crude form of late birth control (though it's exactly that, by definition.) Repeated abortions simply should not be necessary.

I also think it's idiotic to want something like abortion made illegal. Better to have it done, legally, in a medical facility rather than force the seeking out of other means of fetus termination, or the dumping of a fully developed baby at birth.

I think it isunfair to the unborn child, no matter what stage of life it's at, but ultimately I would most likely agree that it is the carriers' decision to abort. It's just that, if you dont want the kid, why not just leave it for adoption?

It is to meverparanoidpers

no it isn't, given the fact that the person is not insane or has any other mental/physcial instability, you can argue that it is better for that life to not exist then live in a very negative environment where it wouldn't receive proper care.

Morally wrong? Hell I make half of my living selling rusty coat hangers to underage teens.

Abortions FTW!!!!!

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"]

[QUOTE="curono"]No. It is as correct as accepting you are unable to take care of a human being.curono

Hahaha Riiight. So by your reasoning, this is correct thinking: "Yeah I'll have sex and risk getting pregnant but who cares? I can't take care of a human being right now so I'll just have it killed."

That is sure correct thinking lol

Do you seriously think of that?

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"]It is to mefirebreathing

no it isn't, given the fact that the person is not insane or has any other mental/physcial instability, you can argue that it is better for that life to not exist then live in a very negative environment where it wouldn't receive proper care.

Yeah becuz all born babies in that situation will be in a very negative environment :roll:

before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.Loonie

It depends on the situation really. If they're having an abortion because they don't want the baby, then yes, if they don't want the baby, why not have it and give it up for adoption? There are plenty of couples out there willing to adopt.

If they're having it because of medical complications (ie having the baby could kill the mother, or the baby inside is severely deformed) then no.

Please note that I am a Christian, I grew up in a Christian household, went to Christian schools and have gone to church my whole life. Also, my mother nearly had me aborted and that is a lot of the reason I am against it. I also knew a girl in University whose mother had aborted her, but she survived, although she has no arms and the littlest legs, she never complained about anything.

[QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.Loonie

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

So?

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Scarletred

Stupid argument. 'Oh you might be aborting the next einstein.' Well guess what, you might be aborting the next hitler as well and thats where the argument falls flat on its face.

There are more than enough people on the planet already.

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Scarletred

[QUOTE="Scarletred"]

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Loonie

Stupid argument. 'Oh you might be aborting the next einstein.' Well guess what, you might be aborting the next hitler as well and thats where the argument falls flat on its face.

There are more than enough people on the planet already.

Yea but does that still make it right? It's not a stupid argument. It's a moral. It basically means everything should be given the chance to live.

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Scarletred"]

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Scarletred

Stupid argument. 'Oh you might be aborting the next einstein.' Well guess what, you might be aborting the next hitler as well and thats where the argument falls flat on its face.

There are more than enough people on the planet already.

Yea but does that still make it right? It's not a stupid argument. It's a moral. It basically means everything should be given the chance to live.

[QUOTE="Scarletred"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Scarletred"]

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Maaarrrz

Stupid argument. 'Oh you might be aborting the next einstein.' Well guess what, you might be aborting the next hitler as well and thats where the argument falls flat on its face.

There are more than enough people on the planet already.

Yea but does that still make it right? It's not a stupid argument. It's a moral. It basically means everything should be given the chance to live.

Yea well killing an unborn baby being justified by rape, no resources to support it, or just not wanting it isn't a good argument either when you could just put it in an adoption agency.

[QUOTE="Scarletred"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Scarletred"]

well my friend once told me a story on a church retreat. I may have worded it a little wrong but it goes like this:

"A man onced asked Mary the mother of God why nobody has yet been able to cure all the diseases of the world that scourge us. Mary replied, 'There were some people that could, but they were aborted'."

Maaarrrz

Stupid argument. 'Oh you might be aborting the next einstein.' Well guess what, you might be aborting the next hitler as well and thats where the argument falls flat on its face.

There are more than enough people on the planet already.

Yea but does that still make it right? It's not a stupid argument. It's a moral. It basically means everything should be given the chance to live.

No your argument is far from a good one. "You could be aborting the next Hitler omg" lol Well you could be but in all likelyhood you are not, you are just taking millions of innocent life and easing your conscience by saying "Well that baby could grow up to be another Hitler lol

For all that logic, I could kill you and say "Oh well you could've turned out to be the next Hitler Better to stop it before it starts!"

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.Maaarrrz

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Abortion, yes. Stem cell, no. Don't waste the fetus when it can seriously benefit humanity. Sort of like throwing out a can of Coke, knowing it has the cure to cancer in the aluminum. Hypothetical, of course.Ezgam3r

Then again, I heard that hospitals throw out quite a lot that's still usable. I don't remember where I heard it, but they do do this. Not medical waste, usable things.

And just think of all those stem cells they throw away. There's about 150 million births every year in the world and every one of them has an umbilical cord. Just think how many stem cells could be given to help further research. Even if we only were able to get a million umbilical cords, it would still be a huge help.

I'm sure the only reason they're throwing them away is because stem cell research is still controversial and associated with this. Either that, or you're giving me a fact that isn't backed up. You know the rules: nothing's true without a link or pic :P.

No your argument is far from a good one. "You could be aborting the next Hitler omg" lol Well you could be but in all likelyhood you are not, you are just taking millions of innocent life and easing your conscience by saying "Well that baby could grow up to be another Hitler lol

For all that logic, I could kill you and say "Oh well you could've turned out to be the next Hitler Better to stop it before it starts!"

Forerunner-117

Thats exactly why Scarletred's argument is ridiculous. Its equally likely to be the next hitler as it is to be someone who could 'cure all the diseases of the world,' and that is why the argument is redundant.

[QUOTE="Maaarrrz"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

So intelligence makes us better than animals, does that mean its okay to kill stupid people?

I voted yes but I'm really middle of the road in on hand I feel it's a womens right but I can never think of a reason to have a abortion.

I voted yes but I'm really middle of the road in on hand I feel it's a womens right but I can never think of a reason to have a abortion.

nirvana563

Sure you can... Rape, Incest?

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"]

No your argument is far from a good one. "You could be aborting the next Hitler omg" lol Well you could be but in all likelyhood you are not, you are just taking millions of innocent life and easing your conscience by saying "Well that baby could grow up to be another Hitler lol

For all that logic, I could kill you and say "Oh well you could've turned out to be the next Hitler Better to stop it before it starts!"

Loonie

Thats exactly why Scarletred's argument is ridiculous. Its equally likely to be the next hitler as it is to be someone who could 'cure all the diseases of the world,' and that is why the argument is redundant.

[QUOTE="Maaarrrz"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

So intelligence makes us better than animals, does that mean its okay to kill stupid people?

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Forerunner-117"]

No your argument is far from a good one. "You could be aborting the next Hitler omg" lol Well you could be but in all likelyhood you are not, you are just taking millions of innocent life and easing your conscience by saying "Well that baby could grow up to be another Hitler lol

For all that logic, I could kill you and say "Oh well you could've turned out to be the next Hitler Better to stop it before it starts!"

verparanoidpers

Thats exactly why Scarletred's argument is ridiculous. Its equally likely to be the next hitler as it is to be someone who could 'cure all the diseases of the world,' and that is why the argument is redundant.

[QUOTE="Maaarrrz"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Loonie"]before 20 weeks i see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.verparanoidpers

Animals have brain waves, people still kill and eat them.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

So intelligence makes us better than animals, does that mean its okay to kill stupid people?

Stupid people can still reason.. And yes we are better then animals.. Nature doesn't have some ultimate fairness, its survival of the fittest, and we dominate this planet.. Intill sharks start building cities, chimps start creating complex weapons, or snakes start building automobiles, we are better then animals.

Humans are animals, first of all.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

Maaarrrz

[QUOTE="Maaarrrz"]

Humans are animals, first of all.

Second of all, I think if you're going to put the importance of a human life over that of an animal's, you need proof that we are really all that superior.

blooddemon666

This is the most absurd thing.. I am all against arrogance but its clear that we ar esuperior to animals.. We have philsophy art, understanding mathematics, , language, superior technolgoy.. Get back to me when a crocadile or a dolphin creates a weapon that can destroy the entire planet in under an hour..

This is the most absurd thing.. I am all against arrogance but its clear that we ar esuperior to animals.. We have philsophy art, understanding mathematics, , language, superior technolgoy.. Get back to me when a crocadile or a dolphin creates a weapon that can destroy the entire planet in under an hour..

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

This is the most absurd thing.. I am all against arrogance but its clear that we ar esuperior to animals.. We have philsophy art, understanding mathematics, , language, superior technolgoy.. Get back to me when a crocadile or a dolphin creates a weapon that can destroy the entire planet in under an hour..

blooddemon666

I never said we were perfect, but by the laws of nature of natural selection and survival of the fittest we are superior.. We have the capabilies of wiping out every animals on the planet.. We also have the capabilies to reason why this would be a bad thing.. Animals have shown none such factuallies of reasoning or power.

We are also the onlyspiece of complex organisim that really can live on almost any climate on the planet as well.

And animals show just about the exact same tendencies as these barbaric acts.