Top Thirteen Most Useless Degrees

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="Vader993"]Philosophy isn't useless as you think. I'm gonna for a history degree for my bachelor degree to enter Law School.Jolt_counter119

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I don't think it's useless, either. Learning philosophy is a great to become a more educated individual overall IMO.BranKetra

It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.

You can learn all the knowledge you want, but if it doesn't help you net a job, it isn't as valuable as other knowledge that will.

It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Ah, so culture, politics, and news are all worthless, good to know. This guy sounds totally legit and not at all a stupid douche.

airshocker

Someone's upset they didn't pursue a degree that would offer gainful employment.

I'd be happy with a bottle of bourbon and a nice overhang to sleep under, and I can get more than that with my degree.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.Zeviander

Soon there won't be enough professors to teach courses anymore, and the fields will die out.Zeviander

You are an idiot.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.

BluRayHiDef

I don't think you understand. I'm not saying that it's absolutely useless, but that it's useless in regards to money. It can't earn you money, so it's not worth spending money on. You get no monetary output for your monetary input. Unless you're rich, it's not worth it.

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Ah, so culture, politics, and news are all worthless, good to know. This guy sounds totally legit and not at all a stupid douche.

coolbeans90

He is a douche, but not for this video in particular. In the video, he says people shouldn't pursue paying degrees b/c money.

Do you mean shouldn't pay for degrees because they cost too much? Because if so I still think he's a stupid douche for saying it.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Not really. That's just wordplay. Knowledge is the most important thing gained from college. Just because most people are unable to use it to gain money doesn't mean it's useless in that way.BranKetra

I don't think you understand. I'm not saying that it's absolutely useless, but that it's useless in regards to money. It can't earn you money, so it's not worth spending money on. You get no monetary output for your monetary input. Unless you're rich, it's not worth it.

You can learn philosophy at the library and on the Internet. You don't need to - nor should you - spend tens of thousands of dollars learning it. That's my point.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.Allicrombie

You laugh now...

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Ah, so culture, politics, and news are all worthless, good to know. This guy sounds totally legit and not at all a stupid douche.

theone86

He is a douche, but not for this video in particular. In the video, he says people shouldn't pursue paying degrees b/c money.

Do you mean shouldn't pay for degrees because they cost too much? Because if so I still think he's a stupid douche for saying it.

No. He simply listed the degrees. In the commentary he says pursuing a degree you have no interest will make you miserable (and threw in a personal anecdote) and likewise lucrative degrees shouldn't be pursued only for their monetary value.

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

As a mathematics and compurer science graduate with a high 2.2 and a 2.1 in many important modules such as my final year project, I can say with the utmost confidence that degrees alone are useless without connections and/or work experience. Even the sciency ones.

BluRayHiDef

What do you do for a living? Have you not found a job in your fields of study?

First of all, I was put off going into software development because:

1) My final year project was to create a software package and upon doing it, I was thinking to myself "I'm not sure I want to do this for life."

2) Most software develpment now takes place in India, making posts in this industry very scarce in the UK. Thus, any advertised roles require at least one year of experience and knowledge of at least four other languages. ASP and .NET are among the most common ones, the former especially because distributed systems are increasingly popular, and then there is cloud computing. I know how to create JSPs but I have absolutely no .NET experience whatsoever. I can only program in Java, Visual Basic and C/C++, and I'm a novice at best for the latter two. I don't have enough of an interest to practise with these in my spare time and (as per point #1) I just don't have a passion with programming and software development.

Secondly, my first non-retail job was as a Finance Assistant. My boss was a little worried about the lack of any professional experience, but what caught her attention was some voluntary work I did for a society, where I was the treasurer for my third year at uni. After leaving my job for numerous reasons, I've been trying to find work in that area (despite the whole first job anxiety issues, I actually liked the work involved) but I get no callbacks or replies all too often, so I have to use my retail/customer experience to an advantage as well. Or try, with no luck. Many employers look at the individual modules in my degree (I list the most relevant ones on my CV, such as my final year project and numerous group projects) so my final classification (58%) doesn't matter. In fact, I'm sure my degree is completely irrelevant.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]It's monetarily useless. Hence, it's not worth spending money on.Zeviander

Someone didn't take Economics it seems.

You can learn all the knowledge you want, but if it doesn't help you net a job, it isn't as valuable as other knowledge that will.

Optical_Order

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

BranKetra

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I don't think you understand. I'm not saying that it's absolutely useless, but that it's useless in regards to money. It can't earn you money, so it's not worth spending money on. You get no monetary output for your monetary input. Unless you're rich, it's not worth it.

BluRayHiDef

You can learn philosophy at the library and on the Internet. You don't need to - nor should you - spend tens of thousands of dollars learning it. That's my point.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

He is a douche, but not for this video in particular. In the video, he says people shouldn't pursue paying degrees b/c money.

coolbeans90

Do you mean shouldn't pay for degrees because they cost too much? Because if so I still think he's a stupid douche for saying it.

No. He simply listed the degrees. In the commentary he says pursuing a degree you have no interest will make you miserable (and threw in a personal anecdote) and likewise lucrative degrees shouldn't be pursued only for their monetary value.

Ah, well then I agree with him but still dislike his rhetoric. The fact that I do agree with him yet was totally put off by the title of his video proves how counter-productive it is.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

BluRayHiDef

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

As a mathematics and compurer science graduate with a high 2.2 and a 2.1 in many important modules such as my final year project, I can say with the utmost confidence that degrees alone are useless without connections and/or work experience. Even the sciency ones.

Spitfirer

What do you do for a living? Have you not found a job in your fields of study?

First of all, I was put off going into software development because:

1) My final year project was to create a software package and upon doing it, I was thinking to myself "I'm not sure I want to do this for life."

2) Most software develpment now takes place in India, making posts in this industry very scarce in the UK. Thus, any advertised roles require at least one year of experience and knowledge of at least four other languages. ASP and .NET are among the most common ones, the former especially because distributed systems are increasingly popular, and then there is cloud computing. I know how to create JSPs but I have absolutely no .NET experience whatsoever. I can only program in Java, Visual Basic and C/C++, and I'm a novice at best for the latter two. I don't have enough of an interest to practise with these in my spare time and (as per point #1) I just don't have a passion with programming and software development.

Secondly, my first non-retail job was as a Finance Assistant. My boss was a little worried about the lack of any professional experience, but what caught her attention was some voluntary work I did for a society, where I was the treasurer for my third year at uni. After leaving my job for numerous reasons, I've been trying to find work in that area (despite the whole first job anxiety issues, I actually liked the work involved) but I get no callbacks or replies all too often, so I have to use my retail/customer experience to an advantage as well. Or try, with no luck. Many employers look at the individual modules in my degree (I list the most relevant ones on my CV, such as my final year project and numerous group projects) so my final classification (58%) doesn't matter. In fact, I'm sure my degree is completely irrelevant.

Good luck. I hope you're not in dire straits.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I do understand. It's a technicality, basically. Understanding philosophy is enlightening and akin to understanding religion. As far as I know, there are no negatives to that unless you just don't care about it. In which case, you're entitled to your opinion.BranKetra

You can learn philosophy at the library and on the Internet. You don't need to - nor should you - spend tens of thousands of dollars learning it. That's my point.

But the difference is that when you want a job in a technical field, you NEED a degree to indicate your knowledge/ expertise.

a lot of those i wouldn't call useless.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

BranKetra

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

I think he's trying to do his best Colbert impression.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

BranKetra

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

Unless you have scholarships and/ or grants that cover your entire tuition, you'll owe some of that aid back.

"Useless" is a pretty harsh word to use.

You are an idiot.coolbeans90

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You can learn philosophy at the library and on the Internet. You don't need to - nor should you - spend tens of thousands of dollars learning it. That's my point.

BluRayHiDef

But the difference is that when you want a job in a technical field, you NEED a degree to indicate your knowledge/ expertise.

Good luck. I hope you're not in dire straits.

BluRayHiDef

Thanks, especially in light of our previous altercations.

I won't lie. My finances are in an utter mess. However, I'm (relatively) psychologically sound, moreso than I would have been had I really bent over backwrads in my final year, instead of establishing a long-term interest.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]You are an idiot.Zeviander

Oh, Christ, now anecdotal evidence is now evidence for the elimination of academic fields as a whole.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

theone86

I think he's trying to do his best Colbert impression.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Good luck. I hope you're not in dire straits.

Spitfirer

Thanks, especially in light of our previous altercations.

I won't lie. My finances are in an utter mess. However, I'm (relatively) psychologically sound, moreso than I would have been had I really bent over backwrads in my final year, instead of establishing a long-term interest.

Are you living on your own?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I could go on about how it costs money and it may not directly lead to a job which will pay back the cost, but knowledge is more important IMO.

BranKetra

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Good luck. I hope you're not in dire straits.

BluRayHiDef

Thanks, especially in light of our previous altercations.

I won't lie. My finances are in an utter mess. However, I'm (relatively) psychologically sound, moreso than I would have been had I really bent over backwrads in my final year, instead of establishing a long-term interest.

Are you living on your own?

Yes, I'm more settled in Birmingham (where I went to uni). I'm on benefits, but as I've paid tazes in the past, I figured there's no harm in getting some of that money back. I also get support from my parents every now and again, but I feel really bad about that. However, I can't live comfortably in my home town as it's too small and there are too many people I want to avoid. Although a lot of socilising goes on at a dropzone much closer to my original home town, I'd still miss out on a lot should I move back there.

By "on my own" I just mean away from my parents. I have housemates, which is a double-edged sword.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

BluRayHiDef

Unless you have scholarships and/ or grants that cover your entire tuition, you'll owe some of that aid back.

Hmm, guess my major technically under 3,

but Electronic Media and Broadcasting more pro-Carrier than theory major

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

Thanks, especially in light of our previous altercations.

I won't lie. My finances are in an utter mess. However, I'm (relatively) psychologically sound, moreso than I would have been had I really bent over backwrads in my final year, instead of establishing a long-term interest.

Spitfirer

Are you living on your own?

Yes, I'm more settled in Birmingham (where I went to uni). I'm on benefits, but as I've paid tazes in the past, I figured there's no harm in getting some of that money back. I also get support from my parents every now and again, but I feel really bad about that. However, I can't live comfortably in my home town as it's too small and there are too many people I want to avoid. Although a lot of socilising goes on at a dropzone much closer to my original home town, I'd still miss out on a lot should I move back there.

By "on my own" I just mean away from my parents. I have housemates, which is a double-edged sword.

Well, good luck.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

Optical_Order

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

that's all the fun degrees, what's left? engineering? computers? bo-ring..Allicrombie

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Funny. Are you taking into account financial aid?

BranKetra

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

Yeah, I see optical's point. I have a huge student loan to pay off. I'm not complaining because I knew what I was getting into, and I'm confident that once I sort out my severe anxiety issues and land a job that fits my talents, I'll be okay paying it off.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

Optical_Order

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

You could just refuse to pay.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Sure knowledge is more important...when you're wrapped up in a sleeping bag, lying on a concrete sidewalk wondering how you're going to acquire your next meal.

Optical_Order

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

Yup, I'm sure the entire problem is their career choice and not at all the ridiculous costs of going to college. Did you know that the cost of going to a state college is ten times more than going to a community college? State college, we're talking the low end of the university scale here. It's also about thirty times more expensive than college is in France, thirty TIMES. Tuition costs are out of control, they've been rising at a rate higher than inflation for years.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Could you explain? You're being pretty vague. What kind of financial aid and what degrees?BluRayHiDef

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

You could just refuse to pay.

Can't write student loan debts off. Buy a house and default on the mortgage you can declare bankruptcy, not so with student debt. You could simply not pay, but it's going to murder your credit and then rape it, in that order.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

:lol:

Financial aid has completely f*cked a lot of people.

People who got "worthless degrees".

Optical_Order

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

theone86

You could just refuse to pay.

Can't write student loan debts off. Buy a house and default on the mortgage you can declare bankruptcy, not so with student debt. You could simply not pay, but it's going to murder your credit and then rape it, in that order.

After seven years, it falls off of your credit report.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Could you explain? You're being pretty vague. What kind of financial aid and what degrees?BluRayHiDef

Poor people are able to get lots and lots of financial aid. If they don't have scholarships, they get to pay all that back.

If you get a degree in lets say, film, and you can't find a job, you still get to pay all of that back. Sometimes than can be a f*ck ton of money. So now you have a worthless degree and a mound of debt. Have fun working at a gas station trying to pay that off.

You could just refuse to pay.

Eh... success depends on the drive and passion of the individual, not what ink on a piece of paper says. A degree by itself, whatever it is, is "useless." It's all in what you do with it that matters. ;)Maniacc1

Communist.

There are many who have a set career path and want to use their degrees in order to contribute to society, including one of my friends, who is a high-earning software developer. If the tuition fees were as high as they are now, they would never have bothered. This is according to my friend, who is earning above £30k a year. So "£9000 a year to make you for life? Sounds okay!" just strikes me as an ignorant argument. I have seen arguments that jusitfy high fees (I can't remember them) and economics blah blah, but that doesn't make it less ludicrous.