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[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]: / I could barely see the "bite" on his chest, and his back was just covered with gauze. I don't know how strong the girls were, but it seems he should have been able to run away. What good would hitting them do you, even if they had bitten you? It would just make things worse for you when the cops showed up.bigblunt537
Okay me sorry I over reacted :(, but I figured they got his back real good because of the patch lol
Haha. When I saw the gauze I figured his skin was probably just fine under there. You would think he'd have taken it off for dramatic effect if it was really horrific, right? Lol. We'll never know![QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Taylor_B"]: / I could barely see the "bite" on his chest, and his back was just covered with gauze. I don't know how strong the girls were, but it seems he should have been able to run away. What good would hitting them do you, even if they had bitten you? It would just make things worse for you when the cops showed up.Taylor_B
Which is why the system is a hypocritical trash heap. If it's reversed (man assaulting woman), she can kick and scream and claw and punch and do anything necessary to get away; but if the man so much as leaves a mark on his attackers, it's excessive force.
You don't see any difference there?Man attacks woman: Woman can do anything necessary to get away.
Woman attacks man: Man can go to jail if he leaves a mark on his attacker.
Yes, I see a glaring difference.
There is nothing funny about this.
If a male responds aggressively towards females no matter the situation they are often looked down apon too. What was he suppose to do? Chances are if he started to respond aggressively people would think he's the one causing the trouble.
What do you do? Ask them to stop, and call McDonald's Corporate.There is nothing funny about this.
If a male responds aggressively towards females no matter the situation they are often looked down apon too. What was he suppose to do? Chances are if he started to respond aggressively people would think he's the one causing the trouble.
EMOEVOLUTION
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]What do you do? Ask them to stop, and call McDonald's Corporate.There is nothing funny about this.
If a male responds aggressively towards females no matter the situation they are often looked down apon too. What was he suppose to do? Chances are if he started to respond aggressively people would think he's the one causing the trouble.
Jandurin
Because if there's one thing sexual assualters love doing, it's stopping their sexual assault when politely asked.
What do you do? Ask them to stop, and call McDonald's Corporate.[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]
There is nothing funny about this.
If a male responds aggressively towards females no matter the situation they are often looked down apon too. What was he suppose to do? Chances are if he started to respond aggressively people would think he's the one causing the trouble.
Theokhoth
Because if there's one thing sexual assualters love doing, it's stopping their sexual assault when politely asked.
:roll: Your response is assuming WAY too much.Its happened to me a few times, one time out on the town a girl is all over me and im literally trying to pull her off me and just talk to her for a second but she just wouldnt have it, that time i guess i can understand she was drunk. I think a freind of mine has the video of it on his phone.
Another this has happened a few times, is getting my ass pinched randomely walking around town. Now it dosent sound like much but at the time it annouyed the hell out of me, its like can i walk through town pinching womans butts? NO i would be locked up in minutes. Anyhow i gave them a stare and im not sure if i told them to F off.
Im a shy guy and invading anyone space without permission is asking for a bad reaction so be warned people with the stupidity to do so.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] What do you do? Ask them to stop, and call McDonald's Corporate.Jandurin
Because if there's one thing sexual assualters love doing, it's stopping their sexual assault when politely asked.
:roll: Your response is assuming WAY too much. That's not defending himself. That's looking for compensation after the fact.[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]:roll: Your response is assuming WAY too much. That's not defending himself. That's looking for compensation after the fact. the way the legal system is set up, girl or guy, it never makes sense to defend yourself. And he wouldn't get compensation, he would just get the employees fired. I guess he might get a free meal out of it, too.Because if there's one thing sexual assualters love doing, it's stopping their sexual assault when politely asked.
EMOEVOLUTION
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"][QUOTE="Taylor_B"] Dude, you'd be in trouble for using excessive force. Why couldn't you just take your burger and leave?Taylor_B
Normally I'd agree, but did yous ee that guys back? They dug their teeth into his chest and back. Would you loose some blood and just walk away with your burger? lol
: / I could barely see the "bite" on his chest, and his back was just covered with gauze. I don't know how strong the girls were, but it seems he should have been able to run away. What good would hitting them do you, even if they had bitten you? It would just make things worse for you when the cops showed up. Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now.Wow, over-generalize much? It's a situational decision. I've seen both sexes get in trouble for using excessive force. If you happen to be male and be in stronger physical condition than your attacker, it's expected that you can extricate yourself from the situation without hurting them unnecessarily.Man attacks woman: Woman can do anything necessary to get away.
Woman attacks man: Man can go to jail if he leaves a mark on his attacker.
Yes, I see a glaring difference.
Theokhoth
Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now. Tactica1supris3That's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious?
[QUOTE="Tactica1supris3"]Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now. Taylor_BThat's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious? You wouldn't punch someone who stole from you and bit you?
[QUOTE="Tactica1supris3"]Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now. Taylor_BThat's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious? I'm very serious, because I'll be damned if two women think they're going to jump me, bite me, cause whatever physical harm they want and I'm simply going to take it. What do you think this is? When you're being attacked you don't gamble to the extent the person is trying to cause harm. You put an end too it A.S.A.P. Now I'm not surprised this guy didn't haul off and deck one these girls, because I don't believe his story for one second, however, when that is the situation there's only one way to guarantee your safety.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] What do you do? Ask them to stop, and call McDonald's Corporate.Jandurin
Because if there's one thing sexual assualters love doing, it's stopping their sexual assault when politely asked.
:roll: Your response is assuming WAY too much.Are you saying they would be willing to stop because he asked them to? Exactly how many cases of sexual assault can you think of when the attacker stopped because (s)he was asked?
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Wow, over-generalize much? It's a situational decision. I've seen both sexes get in trouble for using excessive force. If you happen to be male and be in stronger physical condition than your attacker, it's expected that you can extricate yourself from the situation without hurting them unnecessarily.Man attacks woman: Woman can do anything necessary to get away.
Woman attacks man: Man can go to jail if he leaves a mark on his attacker.
Yes, I see a glaring difference.
Taylor_B
And that is a baseless expectation rooted in feminist bullcrap that is overused in the cases of men being attacked by women. If women can claw the eyes out of their attackers yet men cannot even shove theirs out of the way because it might leave a bruise, something is seriously wrong, and that is how the system currently works.
[QUOTE="Tactica1supris3"]Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now. Taylor_BThat's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious?
Getting bitten (battery) is no cause to defend yourself?
That's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious?[QUOTE="Taylor_B"][QUOTE="Tactica1supris3"]Are you kidding me? When you hit someone that's attacking you, unless they're out of their minds, they're going to stop. As the man said, (let's pretend this is 100% true) they kept coming...following him to his car. If he laid one of them out, it would've been over. Self-defense is self-defense is self-defense. Come on now. Theokhoth
Getting bitten (battery) is no cause to defend yourself?
As I stated before....legally his first action has to be to extricate himself from the situation....ie leave. Not start swinging or he's guilty of assualt as well.I'd not do what he suggests unless you don't mind getting arrested.:|I agree with Theokhoth 100%.
Jfisch93
Yeah. They were hamburglars.Ha....that was perfect.Yeah it really was.[QUOTE="df853"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Burglarized? Does that mean that they stole his Big Mac?LJS9502_basic
As I stated before....legally his first action has to be to extricate himself from the situation....ie leave. Not start swinging or he's guilty of assualt as well.LJS9502_basicI don't understand why people don't get this. No, if I was attacked like that I wouldn't punch them. Why would I stand around long enough to do that? Not to mention give them the opportunity to grab my fist or arm and restrain me. I'd be out of there and dialing the cops.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="Taylor_B"] That's ridiculous. From what the article said, nothing they did warranted a punch. They took some of his cds. So what? Call the cops. Where are they going to go? "Self-defense is self-defense..." Are you serious?LJS9502_basic
Getting bitten (battery) is no cause to defend yourself?
As I stated before....legally his first action has to be to extricate himself from the situation....ie leave. Not start swinging or he's guilty of assualt as well.Self defense isn't illegal. Defending yourself in the case of battery only gets you in trouble if you're a man and the one you're defending yourself from is a woman--no other scenario, especially if it's caught on camera.
As I stated before....legally his first action has to be to extricate himself from the situation....ie leave. Not start swinging or he's guilty of assualt as well.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Getting bitten (battery) is no cause to defend yourself?
Theokhoth
Self defense isn't illegal. Defending yourself in the case of battery only gets you in trouble if you're a man and the one you're defending yourself from is a woman--no other scenario, especially if it's caught on camera.
Wrong. You are not allowed to attack someone UNLESS it's clear that you can't leave. It's the law. Just because you are assualted does NOT legally give you the right to assualt in kind. The camera showed his enjoyment. Now what?*shrugs* You can do what theo suggests....or what the law suggests. The choice is yours. And so are the consequences.[ If I were getting attacked by two women and the ydid not stop when I asked I would slap and push them out of the way.
Jfisch93
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I stated before....legally his first action has to be to extricate himself from the situation....ie leave. Not start swinging or he's guilty of assualt as well.
LJS9502_basic
Self defense isn't illegal. Defending yourself in the case of battery only gets you in trouble if you're a man and the one you're defending yourself from is a woman--no other scenario, especially if it's caught on camera.
Wrong. You are not allowed to attack someone UNLESS it's clear that you can't leave. It's the law. Just because you are assualted does NOT legally give you the right to assualt in kind. The camera showed his enjoyment. Now what?Getting bitten is not assault; it's battery, and it is perfectly legal to defend yourself with force in the case of battery as long as it is reasonable (i.e. if you think somebody will spit on you, you can push them out of the way; you can not hit them with a baseball bat).
*shrugs* You can do what theo suggests....or what the law suggests. The choice is yours. And so are the consequences.[QUOTE="Jfisch93"]
[ If I were getting attacked by two women and the ydid not stop when I asked I would slap and push them out of the way.
LJS9502_basic
Seeing as the law allows you to do such if you are being wrongfully touched (let alone bitten), we all agree.
You aren't getting it. The first response according to the law is to leave the environment. Only when that is not possible...which it clearly was here as he got away....are you allowed to use ONLY the force necessary to stop the attack. Ie...push the girl away...not punch here. And your link backs me up....Getting bitten is not assault; it's battery, and it is perfectly legal to defend yourself with force in the case of battery as long as it is reasonable (i.e. if you think somebody will spit on you, you can push them out of the way; you can not hit them with a baseball bat).
Theokhoth
A plaintiff may be expected to withdraw from the threat, if possible, before engaging in forcible resistance. However, if the plaintiff is in his own home and the defendant is not a member of the plaintiff's household, a plaintiff will typically not be required to further withdraw from the threat once the plaintiff has retreated to his own home.
Which is what I've been saying. :lol:
*shrugs* You can do what theo suggests....or what the law suggests. The choice is yours. And so are the consequences.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Jfisch93"]
[ If I were getting attacked by two women and the ydid not stop when I asked I would slap and push them out of the way.
Theokhoth
Seeing as the law allows you to do such if you are being wrongfully touched (let alone bitten), we all agree.
I think you might want to read your link before stating as such.;)You aren't getting it. The first response according to the law is to leave the environment. Only when that is not possible...which it clearly was here as he got away....are you allowed to use ONLY the force necessary to stop the attack. Ie...push the girl away...not punch here. And your link backs me up....[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Getting bitten is not assault; it's battery, and it is perfectly legal to defend yourself with force in the case of battery as long as it is reasonable (i.e. if you think somebody will spit on you, you can push them out of the way; you can not hit them with a baseball bat).
LJS9502_basic
A plaintiff may be expected to withdraw from the threat, if possible, before engaging in forcible resistance. However, if the plaintiff is in his own home and the defendant is not a member of the plaintiff's household, a plaintiff will typically not be required to further withdraw from the threat once the plaintiff has retreated to his own home.
Which is what I've been saying. :lol:
You've been saying he "may" be expected to withdraw? :lol:
A person who is assaulted may use such reasonable force as may be necessary, or which at the time reasonably appears to be necessary, to protect himself or herself from bodily harm. An act of self-defense must ordinarily be proportionate to the threat. That is, if you believe a person is going to spit on you, depending upon the context it may be reasonable to push the person away, but it would not be reasonable to hit the person with a baseball bat.
A plaintiff may be expected to withdraw from the threat, if possible, before engaging in forcible resistance. However, if the plaintiff is in his own home and the defendant is not a member of the plaintiff's household, a plaintiff will typically not be required to further withdraw from the threat once the plaintiff has retreated to his own home.
See, LJ, quoting one sentence out of two paragraphs doesn't exactly help your case, no matter how much you do it. ;)
i've asked plenty of girls to put their clothes back on and stop acting like dumbasses. They usually take my non-interest as an indication.Are you saying they would be willing to stop because he asked them to? Exactly how many cases of sexual assault can you think of when the attacker stopped because (s)he was asked?
Theokhoth
You aren't getting it. The first response according to the law is to leave the environment. Only when that is not possible...which it clearly was here as he got away....are you allowed to use ONLY the force necessary to stop the attack. Ie...push the girl away...not punch here. Punching someone doesn't mean you're going too hurt them anymore than the person did you. If you punch someone in the mouth after they bite you and attack you the way the man claims, provided all of their teeth don't fall out, that isn't excessive force in the slightest.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Getting bitten is not assault; it's battery, and it is perfectly legal to defend yourself with force in the case of battery as long as it is reasonable (i.e. if you think somebody will spit on you, you can push them out of the way; you can not hit them with a baseball bat).
LJS9502_basic
And one more thing: it is permissible to use force to defend your property from theft:
Many jurisdictions allow the use of some amount of threat or force by a person who is seeking to protect his own property from theft or damage. In most jurisdictions, there is no privilege to use force that may cause death or serious injury against trespassers unless the trespass itself threatens death or serious injury. Please note that there are some jurisdictions with extraordinarily broad laws, permitting the use of significant and even deadly force to prevent the theft of property. (Leaving aside the moral issues of using physical force to defend property, be sure that you know your local laws before applying force in such a situation.)
Exactly. Too many people think that just because someone attacks you, you have the right to attack back. It's only defense if defending yourself is truly the only option.Wrong. You are not allowed to attack someone UNLESS it's clear that you can't leave.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]i've asked plenty of girls to put their clothes back on and stop acting like dumbasses. They usually take my non-interest as an indication.Are you saying they would be willing to stop because he asked them to? Exactly how many cases of sexual assault can you think of when the attacker stopped because (s)he was asked?
Jandurin
Of course, women taking off their clothes is significantly different from sexual assault. :|
Actually it does. You HAVE to leave the area first. ONlY if you are unable/prevented to leave can you use some force. McDonald's of course is not the dude's home. Or are you implying it is.:roll:You've been saying he "may" be expected to withdraw? :lol:
A person who is assaulted may use such reasonable force as may be necessary, or which at the time reasonably appears to be necessary, to protect himself or herself from bodily harm. An act of self-defense must ordinarily be proportionate to the threat. That is, if you believe a person is going to spit on you, depending upon the context it may be reasonable to push the person away, but it would not be reasonable to hit the person with a baseball bat.
A plaintiff may be expected to withdraw from the threat, if possible, before engaging in forcible resistance. However, if the plaintiff is in his own home and the defendant is not a member of the plaintiff's household, a plaintiff will typically not be required to further withdraw from the threat once the plaintiff has retreated to his own home.
See, LJ, quoting one sentence out of two paragraphs doesn't exactly help your case. ;)
Theokhoth
You can be charged for putting your hands on someone....but not spitting on them FYI.
I think I'll believe the law professor and textbooks.;)
sure, if you have a good lawyer. Or you could just let the police take care of it and not have to deal with the consequences.And one more thing: it is permissible to use force to defend your property from theft:
Theokhoth
You know what, it's not worth it to argue with you. You'll just assume things into your reality until the thread is dead.Of course, women taking off their clothes is significantly different from sexual assault. :|
Theokhoth
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]You know what, it's not worth it to argue with you. You'll just assume things into your reality until the thread is dead.Excellent way to sum it up. I agree totally.Of course, women taking off their clothes is significantly different from sexual assault. :|
Jandurin
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]sure, if you have a good lawyer. Or you could just let the police take care of it and not have to deal with the consequences.Apparently beating women is the appropriate response.And one more thing: it is permissible to use force to defend your property from theft:
Jandurin
Actually it does. You HAVE to leave the area first. ONlY if you are unable/prevented to leave can you use some force.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
You've been saying he "may" be expected to withdraw? :lol:
A person who is assaulted may use such reasonable force as may be necessary, or which at the time reasonably appears to be necessary, to protect himself or herself from bodily harm. An act of self-defense must ordinarily be proportionate to the threat. That is, if you believe a person is going to spit on you, depending upon the context it may be reasonable to push the person away, but it would not be reasonable to hit the person with a baseball bat.
A plaintiff may be expected to withdraw from the threat, if possible, before engaging in forcible resistance. However, if the plaintiff is in his own home and the defendant is not a member of the plaintiff's household, a plaintiff will typically not be required to further withdraw from the threat once the plaintiff has retreated to his own home.
See, LJ, quoting one sentence out of two paragraphs doesn't exactly help your case. ;)
LJS9502_basic
Self defense laws in Texas:
(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);
(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or
(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was:
(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or
(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:
(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.
(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.
If the man leaves first, THEN he may not use force to defend himself (as it says in subsection bA); otherwise, yes, he can use force to defend himself against battery and assault.
This is the law. Plug your ears and keep repeating yourself all you want, but here's the state legislator saying quite explicitly that yes, he is allowed to use force.
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