Twenty Year Old Male Sexually Assaulted by Two Girls at McDonalds

You can be charged for putting your hands on someone....but not spitting on them FYI.

LJS9502_basic

Uh...what? Isn't that a felony in most places?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Of course, women taking off their clothes is significantly different from sexual assault. :|

Jandurin

Um, it's not my reality that there's a difference between women taking off their clothes and sexual assault. :|

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

You can be charged for putting your hands on someone....but not spitting on them FYI.

MrGeezer

Uh...what? Isn't that a felony in most places?

I can't believe I missed that. :lol:

If the man leaves first, THEN he may not use force to defend himself (as it says in subsection bA); otherwise, yes, he can use force to defend himself against battery and assault.

This is the law. Plug your ears and keep repeating yourself all you want, but here's the state legislator saying quite explicitly that yes, he is allowed to use force.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

You can be charged for putting your hands on someone....but not spitting on them FYI.

MrGeezer

Uh...what? Isn't that a felony in most places?

I don't think you read that....:lol:

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

If the man leaves first, THEN he may not use force to defend himself (as it says in subsection bA); otherwise, yes, he can use force to defend himself against battery and assault.

This is the law. Plug your ears and keep repeating yourself all you want, but here's the state legislator saying quite explicitly that yes, he is allowed to use force.

LJS9502_basic

No, I completely read it, but I don't think you did. :lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I don't think you read that....:lol:

double_decker

Teenage? We'd be arrested.:P

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

If the man leaves first, THEN he may not use force to defend himself (as it says in subsection bA); otherwise, yes, he can use force to defend himself against battery and assault.

This is the law. Plug your ears and keep repeating yourself all you want, but here's the state legislator saying quite explicitly that yes, he is allowed to use force.

Theokhoth

No, I completely read it, but I don't think you did. :lol:

No, I completely read it, but I don't think you did. :lol:

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think you read that....:lol:

LJS9502_basic

No, I completely read it, but I don't think you did. :lol:

No? Let's go over it again:

Self defense laws in Texas:

(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.

Okay, so force is allowed except in the following circumstances:

(b) The use of force against another is not justified:

(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;

As was not the case here.

(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);

As was not the case here.

(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;

He did not consent to be bitten on.

(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless

No.

(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and

Neither of which happened, making force justified.

(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or

Which is what happened.

(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was:

(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or

(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.

None of which occured.

(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:

(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.

(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.

There was no force to resist arrest.

So you see, it says exactly what I've been saying: the use of force is justified in cases of battery and theft of property.. It doesn't say a damn thing about your "you "HAVE to try to get away first" though.

Dude I did this on GTA:San Andreas.

No? Let's go over it again:

Self defense laws in Texas:

(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.

Okay, so force is allowed except in the following circumstances:

(b) The use of force against another is not justified:

(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;

So you see, it says exactly what I've been saying. It doesn't say a damn thing about your "you "HAVE to try to get away first" though.

Theokhoth

Dude I did this on GTA:San Andreas.

jahnerd

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Once again a man is sexually assaulted and no one takes him seriously, not even the cops :|
If that was a female who was sexually assaulted by 2 males, they would both be thrown in jail and they would probably be sent to prison for 10 years.

Of course since it's a man and everyone thinks he should enjoy it, the cops don't do anything and the girls probably won't go to jail. It's a shame to know that just because I'm a guy, I won't always be taken seriously if I say a female sexually assaulted me.

You people really think just because hes a man he has to enjoy it?? I know I wouldn't enjoy it, I don't like random women coming up to me and sexually assaulting me.
It's sad how cops never help out men, I guess men will just have to start defending them selves more even if it's against a women, we don't have any rights left.

justchllin324

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

No? Let's go over it again:

Self defense laws in Texas:

(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.

Okay, so force is allowed except in the following circumstances:

(b) The use of force against another is not justified:

(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;

So you see, it says exactly what I've been saying. It doesn't say a damn thing about your "you "HAVE to try to get away first" though.

LJS9502_basic

Dude, you're still not getting it: these are the self-defense laws of the state of Texas, and every case in which force is justified is laid out. It says nothing, absolutely nothing, about first having to leave the area. The use of force would be justified.

As for it not being applicable: the crime was in Richmond, Texas. :lol:

Now I have to go run some errands.

Dude, you're still not getting it: these are the self-defense laws of the state of Texas, and every case in which force is justified is laid out. It says nothing, absolutely nothing, about first having to leave the area. The use of force would be justified.

As for it not being applicable: the crime was in Richmond, Texas. :lol:

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="justchllin324"][QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Once again a man is sexually assaulted and no one takes him seriously, not even the cops :|
If that was a female who was sexually assaulted by 2 males, they would both be thrown in jail and they would probably be sent to prison for 10 years.

Of course since it's a man and everyone thinks he should enjoy it, the cops don't do anything and the girls probably won't go to jail. It's a shame to know that just because I'm a guy, I won't always be taken seriously if I say a female sexually assaulted me.

You people really think just because hes a man he has to enjoy it?? I know I wouldn't enjoy it, I don't like random women coming up to me and sexually assaulting me.
It's sad how cops never help out men, I guess men will just have to start defending them selves more even if it's against a women, we don't have any rights left.

joshrocks2245

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

Oh Snap.

I wrote that reply after seeing the heading & link and now I've just got up to speed on how serious people are chatting about this. Please take my humour with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Dude, you're still not getting it: these are the self-defense laws of the state of Texas, and every case in which force is justified is laid out. It says nothing, absolutely nothing, about first having to leave the area. The use of force would be justified.

As for it not being applicable: the crime was in Richmond, Texas. :lol:

Oh Snap.

I wrote that reply after seeing the heading & link and now I've just got up to speed on how serious people are chatting about this. Please take my humour with a grain of salt.

jahnerd

But if you are being attacked, and there is a way out you still have the right to defend yourself, as long as it's not excessively. But when it comes down to it, it's the law, and even something "clearly defined" is interpreted different by lawyers and judges and can be twisted and turned this way and that. Because even if there is a clear path to leave the person can just say they didn't realize there was an opportunity to leave the situation and that they felt they had no choice but to defend themself*.double_decker

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

joshrocks2245

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="justchllin324"] jesus wat the hell is wrong with u im just a lurker but every post i see u make its always you whining about women and how bad you have it you always say your a scrawny weak man, well if this is the case why dont you start eating anything that says it has "protein" and get off your ass and lift some weights like it or not women often get abused far more then men and unlike most women YOU can do something about it its not myth that men have more muscles then woman naturally, and i dont see many body building females that could hurt even the smallest man the odds of getting sexually abused by a woman is null compared to a woman getting assulted by a man the laws were put in place for a reason do you really want the laws removed and then have women getting beaten into pulp just for doing what these teenagers were doing? it seems to me you just have a problem with women get over it noone likes a suck you dont have it bad you just like attentionjustchllin324

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who think women are weak and think all men are strong and can fight anyone and can get over anything.
I wonder who you really are, hmmm.

They're a bunch of whiney men that have been rejected so many times that they hate all women now.

Taylor_B

Damn everybody's getting laid except me...:(MgamerBD

Well no. If you can walk away then that is what the law expects. Excessive force as necessary means just that. You can of course, block someone from hitting you but you can't pound on him after he hits you. Because then you are both fighting. If there was a way to leave and they used that excuse it wouldn't help exonerate them in the least.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

Taylor_B

Yeah we men get called whiney men but the feminists don't get called anything bad. People think feminists are like angels and they think men who stick up for their rights are whiney men :roll:

[QUOTE="justchllin324"][QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

joshrocks2245

I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who think women are weak and think all men are strong and can fight anyone and can get over anything.
I wonder who you really are, hmmm.

[QUOTE="justchllin324"][QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

joshrocks2245

I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who think women are weak and think all men are strong and can fight anyone and can get over anything.
I wonder who you really are, hmmm.

[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]

They're a bunch of whiney men that have been rejected so many times that they hate all women now.

LJS9502_basic

You agree with that?? Wow I've never even been rejected :|

but the feminists don't get called anything bad. People think feminists are like angels and they think men who stick up for their rights are whiney men :roll:

joshrocks2245

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="justchllin324"] what some chauvinist site? im just telling it as it is im not attacking you but you seem to have a problem with women im a man 2 but i dont think your rightShhadow_Viper

I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who think women are weak and think all men are strong and can fight anyone and can get over anything.
I wonder who you really are, hmmm.

Oh my god what are women freaking angels or something?? They can be hit if they hit me, they aren't all perfect. Okay I'm done posting in OT, wrong place to post.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="justchllin324"] jesus wat the hell is wrong with u im just a lurker but every post i see u make its always you whining about women and how bad you have it you always say your a scrawny weak man, well if this is the case why dont you start eating anything that says it has "protein" and get off your ass and lift some weights like it or not women often get abused far more then men and unlike most women YOU can do something about it its not myth that men have more muscles then woman naturally, and i dont see many body building females that could hurt even the smallest man the odds of getting sexually abused by a woman is null compared to a woman getting assulted by a man the laws were put in place for a reason do you really want the laws removed and then have women getting beaten into pulp just for doing what these teenagers were doing? it seems to me you just have a problem with women get over it noone likes a suck you dont have it bad you just like attentionjustchllin324

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

i'd agree with joshrock...the law is generally framed in such a way as to make it very difficult for a man to be the victim of sexual assault by a woman. In the UK (where I live) it's actually a legal impossibility for a man to be the victim of rape. Sure a guy can fight back if he feels he is the victim of sexual harassment, but he would then generally be either not believed with regards to the prior sexual assault, or arrested for assault & battery without mitigation. the fact is that social mores tell us that men simply can't be the victim of a sexual attack. you're free to disagree, but i would defy you to present evidence of sufficiently identical sex assault cases where a male victim is given the same credibility as a female one.

And I would tend to side with Theokoth too....you MAY be required to retreat, but teh duty to retreat is by and large confined to quite specific circumstances. If you have to use force while making said retreat, that will also be justified. By and large, reasonable use of force to protect yourself, others, or your property is accepted as an exculpatory defence at law for pretty much any crime. sure, it varies in the fine detail, but as a whole, around the world the judge/jury is required to look at the defendant's conduct and ask if it was reasonable in all the circumstances. if it was, its all kosher...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Well no. If you can walk away then that is what the law expects. Excessive force as necessary means just that. You can of course, block someone from hitting you but you can't pound on him after he hits you. Because then you are both fighting. If there was a way to leave and they used that excuse it wouldn't help exonerate them in the least.

double_decker

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]

They're a bunch of whiney men that have been rejected so many times that they hate all women now.

joshrocks2245

You agree with that?? Wow I've never even been rejected :|

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who think women are weak and think all men are strong and can fight anyone and can get over anything.
I wonder who you really are, hmmm.

joshrocks2245

Oh my god what are women freaking angels or something?? They can be hit if they hit me, they aren't all perfect. Okay I'm done posting in OT, wrong place to post.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Damn everybody's getting laid except me...:(LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Taylor_B"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

This is what happens when I stick up for men, I get ignored and I get people insulting me like this.

I get more serious respones about this at the site that can't be mentioned here :lol: Quite sad.

joshrocks2245

Yeah we men get called whiney men but the feminists don't get called anything bad. People think feminists are like angels and they think men who stick up for their rights are whiney men :roll:

eww I don't want that guys sloppy seconds.MgamerBD

You can retalitate if that is the only way to stop the assault...yes. And yeah....they do usually drop the charges since they are both charged.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Men are not supposed to hit women, I do not care where civil rights takes us that will never be acceptable to any honorable man.

Shhadow_Viper

Oh my god what are women freaking angels or something?? They can be hit if they hit me, they aren't all perfect. Okay I'm done posting in OT, wrong place to post.

i'd agree with joshrock...the law is generally framed in such a way as to make it very difficult for a man to be the victim of sexual assault by a woman. In the UK (where I live) it's actually a legal impossibility for a man to be the victim of rape. Sure a guy can fight back if he feels he is the victim of sexual harassment, but he would then generally be either not believed with regards to the prior sexual assault, or arrested for assault & battery without mitigation. the fact is that social mores tell us that men simply can't be the victim of a sexual attack. you're free to disagree, but i would defy you to present evidence of sufficiently identical sex assault cases where a male victim is given the same credibility as a female one.

And I would tend to side with Theokoth too....you MAY be required to retreat, but teh duty to retreat is by and large confined to quite specific circumstances. If you have to use force while making said retreat, that will also be justified. By and large, reasonable use of force to protect yourself, others, or your property is accepted as an exculpatory defence at law for pretty much any crime. sure, it varies in the fine detail, but as a whole, around the world the judge/jury is required to look at the defendant's conduct and ask if it was reasonable in all the circumstances. if it was, its all kosher...

shaunk89

As I said before...theo is advocating force and that is not how the law works.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Taylor_B"] Quite sad that you go there? Yes, it is. Lol. Oh god, I almost felt out of my chair laughing. Of course people there agree with you. They're a bunch of whiney men that have been rejected so many times that they hate all women now.

Taylor_B

Yeah we men get called whiney men but the feminists don't get called anything bad. People think feminists are like angels and they think men who stick up for their rights are whiney men :roll:

Indeed...I think you're losing the plot somewhat here mate... I'm beginning to regret siding with you.

I don't think anyone thinks all women are angels, there are obviously exceptions to the rule. My point would be that society still views a man reacting violently to violence perpetrated upon him by a woman as total anathema....which is wrong. But I wouldn't go any further than that.

What... He's complaining? Maybe they were ugly. 0Tyler0

Indeed...I think you're losing the plot somewhat here mate... I'm beginning to regret siding with you.

I don't think anyone thinks all women are angels, there are obviously exceptions to the rule. My point would be that society still views a man reacting violently to violence perpetrated upon him by a woman as total anathema....which is wrong. But I wouldn't go any further than that.

shaunk89