UK Government effectively bans creationism in free schools

just another reason i'll probably be homeschooling my children, govt. interference in schools.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

its not banning thought, its banning brainwashing of children.

tenaka2

Teaching creationism in science ****is wrong, its clearly false and is misleading.

If creationism is thought in religious/philosososoy ****then all is well.

Teaching creationism as fact is dishonest as it is clearly false.

Please understand that what this really does it take creationism and files into the same category with other mythological tales. You can't teach as "fact" but it is possible to observative from another perspective.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

its not banning thought, its banning brainwashing of children.

kuraimen

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] no banning any topic from discussion is banning thought, this is thought control, i know how much you hate the church, but forbidding topics in school under penalty is wrong.

surrealnumber5

Teaching creationism in science ****is wrong, its clearly false and is misleading.

If creationism is thought in religious/philosososoy ****then all is well.

Teaching creationism as fact is dishonest as it is clearly false.

But there is zero credence in the christian creation myth. It has nothign to do with science and is in no way scientific. You could equally argue for the teaching of unicorns and pixies to be thought in science class but you would be equally wrong.

Religion belongs in religion class, science belongs in science class.

Science and religion can coexist.

Which schools teach creationism is the first place? The only class which could is Religious Studies, a class that no students take seriously and usually mess around in.Asim90

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Teaching creationism in science ****is wrong, its clearly false and is misleading.

If creationism is thought in religious/philosososoy ****then all is well.

Teaching creationism as fact is dishonest as it is clearly false.

tenaka2

But there is zero credence in the christian creation myth. It has nothign to do with science and is in no way scientific. You could equally argue for the teaching of unicorns and pixies to be thought in science ****but you would be equally wrong.

Religion belongs in religion **** science belongs in science ****

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] no banning any topic from discussion is banning thought, this is thought control, i know how much you hate the church, but forbidding topics in school under penalty is wrong.

surrealnumber5

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

You're saying "let the best evidence theory prevail" but what about the argument that doesn't require evidence, logic or reasoning? I understand what you're saying but in order for that happen, there needs to be standard for what's considered true and what's considered false. And the best standard for that is the science methodology.

This law does not prohibit anything that operates within the science methodology.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] science is not the process of teaching what i want. theories are presented and the ones that have the most creedence rise to the top, if teachers in the UK cannot put forth a better argument for biology than for Divine creation, then that shows the quality of education there. banning thought in any case is wrong.

surrealnumber5

But there is zero credence in the christian creation myth. It has nothign to do with science and is in no way scientific. You could equally argue for the teaching of unicorns and pixies to be thought in science ****but you would be equally wrong.

Religion belongs in religion **** science belongs in science ****

I support the teaching of creationism in religious cla s s.

There is no evidence for creationism, its not even a theory, its obviously a myth. It isn't science.

Creationism is a theory. As is the Big Bang.

I guess I am confused. I certainly am not for the teaching of creationism or any religous theory in a PUBLIC school. That should be common sense. But in a private/religous school, I believe they can teach whatever they choose. Is this law saying that religous schools cant teach religion? I'mnot a religous person, but even I would have a problem with that.

Creationism is a theory. As is the Big Bang.

Ilovegames1992

Now I'm convinced that your just trolling.

Just incase your not, do you know what germ theory results in? Or the theory of gravity?

Creationism is a theory. As is the Big Bang.

Ilovegames1992

Creationism is not a scientific theory.

Good, creationism is not science and if taught it should be taught in places of faith not in schools.

Good job UK

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Creationism is a theory. As is the Big Bang.

tenaka2

Now I'm convinced that your just trolling.

Just incase your not, do you know what germ theory results in? Or the theory of gravity?

In this post, yeah i'm trolling. The intense anti-religion annoys me.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] no banning any topic from discussion is banning thought, this is thought control, i know how much you hate the church, but forbidding topics in school under penalty is wrong.

surrealnumber5

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Should nazism in schools be allowed or teaching that the Earth is flat? People can believe whatever they want but at least let them get to an age where they have enough subjective judgment to decide for themselves. Meanwhile teaching children fairy tales and then letting them loose on the real world is somehow irresponsible. Blue-Sky

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

You're saying "let the best evidence theory prevail" but what about the argument that doesn't require evidence, logic or reasoning? I understand what you're saying but in order for that happen, there needs to be standard for what's considered true and what's considered false. And the best standard for that is the science methodology.

This law does not prohibit anything that operates within the science methodology.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] whe you have no argument just say nazi! should schools present views when applicable? hell yes, and if someone looks at the evidence we have and concludes the earth is flat that is fine, i doubt it will be frequent as the scientific evidence oppose to such a thing are extremely strong. i know you would like everyone only to be privy to what you deem correct, then eveyone would agree with the one true view.

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

surrealnumber5

You're saying "let the best evidence theory prevail" but what about the argument that doesn't require evidence, logic or reasoning? I understand what you're saying but in order for that happen, there needs to be standard for what's considered true and what's considered false. And the best standard for that is the science methodology.

This law does not prohibit anything that operates within the science methodology.

This wins the thread.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Should nazism in schools be allowed or teaching that the Earth is flat? People can believe whatever they want but at least let them get to an age where they have enough subjective judgment to decide for themselves. Meanwhile teaching children fairy tales and then letting them loose on the real world is somehow irresponsible. kuraimen

tenaka2, do you really support a system that does not let the best evidence theory prevail but a system that will create a population of kuraimen's?

Is this law saying you cant teach creationism in public schools or that you cant teach creationism in any school?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

logic and reasoning are subject to the one doing the deducing, how many of histories great thinkers whould have been if they only kept their thoughts to that of the standard population.... you have a carl sagan avy, i dont know how you would even know of him without knowing at least some scientific history. outliers change the world not the standard. if we accept politicians telling us what is acceptable how is that any better than what the church did to Galileo and his kind.

Ilovegames1992

This wins the thread.

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

logic and reasoning are subject to the one doing the deducing, how many of histories great thinkers whould have been if they only kept their thoughts to that of the standard population.... you have a carl sagan avy, i dont know how you would even know of him without knowing at least some scientific history. outliers change the world not the standard. if we accept politicians telling us what is acceptable how is that any better than what the church did to Galileo and his kind.

tenaka2

This wins the thread.

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

This wins the thread.

Ilovegames1992

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

I am advocating the teaching of creationism in my post yet you decide I suggesting suppression of knowledge? How does that work?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

tenaka2

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

I am advocating the teaching of creationism in my post yet you decide I suggesting suppression of knowledge? How does that work?

I wasn't referring to you at all.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

logic and reasoning are subject to the one doing the deducing, how many of histories great thinkers whould have been if they only kept their thoughts to that of the standard population.... you have a carl sagan avy, i dont know how you would even know of him without knowing at least some scientific history. outliers change the world not the standard. if we accept politicians telling us what is acceptable how is that any better than what the church did to Galileo and his kind.

tenaka2

This wins the thread.

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

no i am not, i am in no way a creationist, not even in the slighetst. i think it is bunk, i am only arguing against the banning of ideas and discussion. i dont know where you got this thing where i was saying the idea of creationism is new and so we dont know....

surrealnumber5

Sorry got my wires crossed, however I think you may have also, this ban is just regarding creationism in science class not banning its teaching. Religious cla ss can still teach creationism if they wish.

about time. Now if that happens in America....we'll have some progress

about time. Now if that happens in America....we'll have some progress

BossPerson

Thefundies have to much political power for that to happen, for now anyway.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]Apart from faith schools I've never heard of creationism being taught in science lessons ever.MannyDelgado

Is this law saying you cant teach creationism in public schools or that you cant teach creationism in any school?

sonicare

about time. Now if that happens in America....we'll have some progress

BossPerson

Atheist here but I definitely see something wrong with it being banned in private schools. Government education is one thing.

Pikdum

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

Atheist here but I definitely see something wrong with it being banned in private schools. Government education is one thing.

DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Pikdum"]

Atheist here but I definitely see something wrong with it being banned in private schools. Government education is one thing.

Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="Asim90"]Which schools teach creationism is the first place? The only class which could is Religious Studies, a class that no students take seriously and usually mess around in.foxhound_fox

You're totally correct. My point was that the only time students are taught creationism is in religious studies. This class isn't taken seriously anyway, which should please Atheists even more. Creationism isn't taught in Physics is it? I don't understand what people are whining about..

I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

well, according to some here in the US you are all Godless socialists anyways

lamprey263

That they are.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]

well, according to some here in the US you are all Godless socialists anyways

Necrifer

That they are.

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]

well, according to some here in the US you are all Godless socialists anyways

Ilovegames1992

That they are.

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

That they are.

themajormayor

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

Is that the tagline from a propaganda poster in 50's America?

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

Ilovegames1992

Why do you think this was passed? Because schools needed something to keep the majority of the population from flooding the education system with their nonsense.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

Ilovegames1992

Is that the tagline from a propaganda poster in 50's America?

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]

well, according to some here in the US you are all Godless socialists anyways

Ilovegames1992

That they are.

Yeah we all are.

Could be worse though could be bible bashing yokel inbreds

Thats a bit harsh, besides its known that the less educated you are the more likely you are to be religious. Opium for the masses and all that.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Being a socialist is worsethemajormayor

Is that the tagline from a propaganda poster in 50's America?

Socialism killed hundreds of millions of people? How did it evade the authorities?

Actually f*ck this i'm out. Can't be doing with the nonsense in here. Don't need the stress.