UK Government effectively bans creationism in free schools

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

yay for banned thought! its a good thing we swear!

Asim90

its not banning thought, its banning brainwashing of children.

How is teaching the beliefs of some people brainwashing? The people being taught are taught the whole spectrum of theories. They have their own brains and can make their own decisions. Explain how this is brainwashing please...

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

its not banning thought, its banning brainwashing of children.

CaveJohnson1

How is teaching the beliefs of some people brainwashing? The people being taught are taught the whole spectrum of theories. They have their own brains and can make their own decisions. Explain how this is brainwashing please...

I believe in God but I can undertsand this, I don't think religion and science should be taught in the same class (I believe in Science too though, they arn't enemies in my book). However I don't see a problem with say, having a theology class at school where students could learn about various religions and beliefs, there could also be specific theology classes for students of that faith (it would be an elective of course and not mandatory).

But understanding basic sceince is important, although I think that some people could be a bit more honest about Evolution when they teach, I believe in Evolution too but it does have some gaps and some people don't want to admit it. I don't see why God and Evolution don't work, IMO God simply used it as a process to create us.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

state schools are not compulsory either....

surrealnumber5

It is when they are teaching academically dishonest theories like Creationism as if there is evidence and has as much ground as actual scientific theories.. If we must go down that route, then colleges should start being increasingly prejudice towards accepting people from religious private schools that teach this junk science... There is nothing wrong with discussing it within philosophy and religious base class rooms.. But when we are talking about "evidence based" creationism that this article discusses, it specifically pertains to within the science class room.. If this is allowed, I would think all colleges should be far more critical of these supposed private schools that teach this junk science.

I see nothing wrong with it being taught in a religion and philosophy lesson, just keep it away from science.brendanhunt1

That's cool. But I guess it's kinda normal, I mean I go to a catholic school and I kinda agreed to be indoctrinated and even here there is no teacher dumb enough to teach us creationism so I can't imagine anyone trying to teach it in a non-religious school...

Thank God for that....

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Jesus christ. What are you getting at? I already said that they can do whatever the hell they want to do at their church.sSubZerOo

It is when they are teaching academically dishonest theories like Creationism as if there is evidence and has as much ground as actual scientific theories.. If we must go down that route, then colleges should start being increasingly prejudice towards accepting people from religious private schools that teach this junk science... There is nothing wrong with discussing it within philosophy and religious base ****rooms.. But when we are talking about "evidence based" creationism that this article discusses, it specifically pertains to within the science ****room.. If this is allowed, I would think all colleges should be far more critical of these supposed private schools that teach this junk science.

the teachers know what is best for the students, if not that was a bad hiring job and both that teacher and the personwho hired them should be held responsible, politicians and law makers know nothing about the fields they make laws for, well aside from what the people contributing to their reelection tell them. ever wonder why banker write the bank legislation? or big pharma with obama care, even the bankers do it, so as to give them as large of a window to work with with as little exposure as possible.

this is a feel good law at best and i dont want to think about the special interest that is the driving force behind this. in science the truth tends to come out on top, and there is no reason to put political taint in the scientific process.

I am christian but the thought of teaching creationism in school is just stupid.

Creationism is a joke and has no place in an academic environment, unless we're teaching why it's ridiculous.

ColdExistence

But it should never be taught as a legitiamte theory of the origin of the universe of life.

I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

Necrifer

They already have this in the US...

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I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

Austindro

They already have this in the US...

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

Person0

They already have this in the US...

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

Person0

They already have this in the US...

This is not about private schools.

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

I don't really care what the UK does.

Too bad this isn't in the US.

Person0

They already have this in the US...

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Austindro"]

They already have this in the US...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] Only banned in public schools in the U.S not private schools like this.MannyDelgado

They already have this in the US...

Austindro

No, they don't.

Great job England too bad this will never happen in the USimaps3fanboy

Are you trying to piss me off?

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[QUOTE="Austindro"]

They already have this in the US...

Necrifer

No, they don't.

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

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[QUOTE="Austindro"]

They already have this in the US...

Austindro

No, they don't.

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

No, they don't.

Person0

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

No, they don't.

Person0

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Austindro"]

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Person0"] Still doesn't stop people from trying. Intelligent DesignPerson0

I remember when i first went to school they seriously tried to pressure you into Christianity, the pricks. And in secondary/high school my RS (Religious Studies) teacher was a complete stupid b****. I dont mind learning about religions, but i want to be able to choose what i believe in, rather than having some idiotic teachers expecting me to have the same view as them.

PS. no offense meant to anyone i respect peoples beliefs even if i dont agree with them, i just hate how schools teach about them.

GamerLegend10

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

No, they don't.

Person0

The Supreme Court has already ruled it to be unconstitutional in public schools.

I never said all schools have stopped doing it...

The person I quoted made a statement as if US has not done anything about this. Also as already mentioned what you stated was ruled unconstitutional by smaller courts.

Sounds good to me. People usually wouldn't be okay with government funding nonsense in any other sector.

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

This wins the thread.

Ilovegames1992

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

a toothpick may have accidentally created the Universe, and it sound just as legit as creationism, and it should be taught

As well as millions of other theories floating around, they should all be taught, because creationism isn't standing at any higher ground than they are.

they are myths, and they belong in the creative arts category.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No it doesn't. He is arguing that creationism is a newidea and it would be unfair to dismiss it. This is obviously crap as the truth is the exact opposit.

Creationism WAS the main belief for a very long time until the idea was over turned by scientific study. Religion is not science and the creation myth is not a topic open for scientific research of any kind, it is just an old story made up by people who didn't have an understanding of how the galaxy worked.

The creation myth should be dismissed as there is zero evidence for it, you cannot have a theory with nothing at all to back it up.

Creationism should be though in religious studies, not in science cla s s because it is clearly not science.

Ncsoftlover

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

a toothpick may have accidentally created the Universe, and it sound just as legit as creationism, and it should be taught

As well as millions of other theories floating around, they should all be taught, because creationism isn't standing at any higher ground than they are.

they are myths, and they belong in the creative arts category.

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

[QUOTE="GamerLegend10"]

I remember when i first went to school they seriously tried to pressure you into Christianity, the pricks. And in secondary/high school my RS (Religious Studies) teacher was a complete stupid b****. I dont mind learning about religions, but i want to be able to choose what i believe in, rather than having some idiotic teachers expecting me to have the same view as them.

PS. no offense meant to anyone i respect peoples beliefs even if i dont agree with them, i just hate how schools teach about them.

alexside1

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

All i got from the post was that suppressing knowledge in this way is no different than what happened to Galileo

Ilovegames1992

a toothpick may have accidentally created the Universe, and it sound just as legit as creationism, and it should be taught

As well as millions of other theories floating around, they should all be taught, because creationism isn't standing at any higher ground than they are.

they are myths, and they belong in the creative arts category.

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

teneka, rearrange the words "with", "tar", "brush" and "same".

Do you also accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a troll?

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

Ilovegames1992

Physics may be out of your reach, that's why you're saying "everything appeared out of nowhere" instead of researching on the expansion of the universe.

teneka, rearrange the words "with", "tar", "brush" and "same".

Do you also accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a troll?

Spitfirer

Only the ones trolling.

Magic has no place in science cla s s, if people cannot understansd why then they have issues.

Religion belongs in religious cla s s.

I can see no logical reason why people would be against this.

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

Ilovegames1992

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Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

CBR600-RR

Physics may be out of your reach, that's why you're saying "everything appeared out of nowhere" instead of researching on the expansion of the universe.

Thats rubbish what you just posted. There was no cause in the big bang. It all happened, just because. Don't need to know anything about physics to know that. The arrogance is unsurprising though, i expect even more so to be honest.

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

Ilovegames1992

Physics may be out of your reach, that's why you're saying "everything appeared out of nowhere" instead of researching on the expansion of the universe.

Thats rubbish what you just posted. There was no cause in the big bang. It all happened, just because. Don't need to know anything about physics to know that. The arrogance is unsurprising though, i expect even more so to be honest.

You're right, it's stupid to say that everything appeared out of nowhere, which is why creationism isn't accepted as a legitimate explanation to the formation of the universe. The Big Bang theory doesn't state that, it states that a giant, compressed mass reached a critical point and expanded rapidly outwards (or something like that, ask one of the scientific geniuses for a better explanation). Saying that it doesn't explain where the mass came from is like saying the theory of gravity doesn't explain natural selection.

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[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Physics may be out of your reach, that's why you're saying "everything appeared out of nowhere" instead of researching on the expansion of the universe.

theone86

Thats rubbish what you just posted. There was no cause in the big bang. It all happened, just because. Don't need to know anything about physics to know that. The arrogance is unsurprising though, i expect even more so to be honest.

You're right, it's stupid to say that everything appeared out of nowhere, which is why creationism isn't accepted as a legitimate explanation to the formation of the universe. The Big Bang theory doesn't state that, it states that a giant, compressed mass reached a critical point and expanded rapidly outwards (or something like that, ask one of the scientific geniuses for a better explanation). Saying that it doesn't explain where the mass came from is like saying the theory of gravity doesn't explain natural selection.

A compressed mass that came from where? Did it exist in nothing and expand did it? Did anyone create that compressed mass?

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Thats rubbish what you just posted. There was no cause in the big bang. It all happened, just because. Don't need to know anything about physics to know that. The arrogance is unsurprising though, i expect even more so to be honest.

Ilovegames1992

You're right, it's stupid to say that everything appeared out of nowhere, which is why creationism isn't accepted as a legitimate explanation to the formation of the universe. The Big Bang theory doesn't state that, it states that a giant, compressed mass reached a critical point and expanded rapidly outwards (or something like that, ask one of the scientific geniuses for a better explanation). Saying that it doesn't explain where the mass came from is like saying the theory of gravity doesn't explain natural selection.

A compressed mass that came from where? Did it exist in nothing and expand did it? Did anyone create that compressed mass?

A creator that came from where? Did it exist in nothing and create everything from nothing? Did anyone create it?

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Did you know everything appeared out of nowhere, just because? That sounds almost the most ridiculous of all.

Ilovegames1992

Physics may be out of your reach, that's why you're saying "everything appeared out of nowhere" instead of researching on the expansion of the universe.

Thats rubbish what you just posted. There was no cause in the big bang. It all happened, just because. Don't need to know anything about physics to know that. The arrogance is unsurprising though, i expect even more so to be honest.

Tsk tsk, quantum fluctuations.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

You're right, it's stupid to say that everything appeared out of nowhere, which is why creationism isn't accepted as a legitimate explanation to the formation of the universe. The Big Bang theory doesn't state that, it states that a giant, compressed mass reached a critical point and expanded rapidly outwards (or something like that, ask one of the scientific geniuses for a better explanation). Saying that it doesn't explain where the mass came from is like saying the theory of gravity doesn't explain natural selection.

theone86

A compressed mass that came from where? Did it exist in nothing and expand did it? Did anyone create that compressed mass?

A creator that came from where? Did it exist in nothing and create everything from nothing? Did anyone create it?

Hahaha way to answer my question. Yes atheists always ask "who created the creator" and so i'm asking how did that compressed mass come about? What existed before that? If you cant answer that then my point stands that it just came out of nowhere, ridiculous, or it was created. Why can't a creator and the Big Bang coexist again?