US soldier goes on rampage in Afghanistan killing 16 innocent civilians

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]That's not what I've heard or seen. Claims of torturing, suicides, those photos where they are kept restrained like animals, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#Prisoner_complaintsRavensmash

Since you don't work I can understand how those "complaints" would all sound true to you.

The BBC, TIME, and National Geographic(to name a few), paint a very different picture when it comes to Guantanamo Bay.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

The reports are kind of confusing as Reuters claims a group of soldiers were involved in the incident where the other outlets only report a lone gunman.

It's extremely unfortunate for the victims and their families to have to deal with the aftermath of a hog wild soldier taking matters into his own hands on a bunch of innocent civilians. In my opinion though, it's more unfortunate that the suspect could easily avert the harshest penalty by pleading "insanity" for his massacre whereas any other person who would've strolled into a US civilian home or US army barracks and shot 16 people would be extradited immediately if not killed on the spot.

The polarized double standards of the American bigot tends to flourish even more when reports like this comes out and "patriots" try to remove all guilt by saying that it's just a act of a lone and crazed gunman who needs to be understood because they didn't know any better.

airshocker

How do you even know what punishment they're going to seek for him? The trial hasn't even started yet.

Your entire post is unfounded speculation.

Well maybe it's too early to have assumed he is going to not receive maximum punishment. I suppose that came from how some insanity pleads tend to play out where the plaintiff is given a seemingly lighter sentence(though still harsh to us "free" people) as opposed to a maximum sentence being carried out.

What about my post is unfounded speculation besides me saying that the soldier might be able to avoid the harshest penalty? Are there not two different versions of this massacre? Is it not unfortunate for the victims of the slained innocent civilians? If this massacre was perpetrated on US civilians or military personel, would the "patriots" not be calling for his head?

My one bit of speculation about the soldier does not invalidate my entire post except for in your opinion because you don't agree with what I said could possibly happen, but if you're trying to insist that it does become invalid over that one little thing that doesn't sit well in your mind, then you're given a good example of the bigoted double standard of the American "patriot".

Electric chair fry that foolBucked20

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

In general, since there has to be a war crime tribunal set up in order to charge someone with war crimes. They don't do that for individual soldiers.

LJS9502_basic

Well still the US holds lots of people in Guantanamo without trial or even a formal accusation. I guess it would be only fair to let Afghanistan deal with this guy...

You do know that there were people kidnapped from their countries, taken to Guantanamo, left there for months or up to 2 years with no formal accusation, and eventually released because it turned out they weren't guilty of anything?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think they couldn't do much worse than Guantanamo...airshocker

:lol: I think you give far too much credit to the Afghani government.

But last I checked, Guantanamo Bay treats their detainees very well. I'd love to see any prison in the middle east treat an American half as well.

So, this is what the US stands for now? At least we're better than themiddle east? I expect more from a country like the US, you should too.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think they couldn't do much worse than Guantanamo...nunovlopes

:lol: I think you give far too much credit to the Afghani government.

But last I checked, Guantanamo Bay treats their detainees very well. I'd love to see any prison in the middle east treat an American half as well.

So, this is what the US stands for now? At least we're better than themiddle east? I expect more from a country like the US, you should too.

To be honest, we probably treat detainees in Guantanamo Bay even better than we treat prisoners who are locked up on American soil.

Very suspicious that you can't even provide one direct link. According to Wikipedia these are the media documentaries and programs about Guantanamo

• Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, 2008 comedy film

kuraimen

You kind of destroyed any type of credibility you would have had with those other links by posting a link to a satire film on the top of your list.

Very suspicious that you can't even provide one direct link. According to Wikipedia these are the media documentaries and programs about Guantanamo

• Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, 2008 comedy film
• The Road to Guantánamo, 2006 film about the Tipton Three
• Guantanamo - American Officer Tortures Prisoners and Murders Investigator in an Iranian TV Drama, 2006 Iranian drama shown on Al-Kawthar TV and noted by the Middle East Media Research Institute
• Camp Delta, Guantanamo 2006, France culture.com, April 30, 2006—a radio feature by Frank Smith.
• Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo, a memoir by Murat Kurnaz.
• Frontline: The Torture Question (2005), a PBS documentary that traces the history of how decisions made in Washington in the immediate aftermath of September 11 led to a robust interrogation policy that laid the groundwork for prisoner abuse in Afghanistan, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.[257]
• Gitmo – The New Rules of War, an award winning Swedish documentary by Erik Gandini and Tarik Saleh/ATMO, raises some of the issues concerning the nature of the interrogation processes, through interviews with previous Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib personnel. It has won several awards including 1st prize-Seattle International Film Festival '06
• Habeas Schmabeas, an episode of the radio program This American Life produced by Chicago Public Radio, discussed the conditions at the facility, the legal justifications and arguments surrounding the detention of prisoners there, and the history of the principle of Habeas Corpus. It also features interviews with two former detainees. The episode won a 2006 Peabody Award.[258]
• Prisoner 345 (2006) details the case of Al Jazeera cameraman Sami Al Hajj, detained at the camp since 2002.
• Taxi to the Dark Side (2007) gives an in-depth look at the torture practices, focusing on an innocent taxi driver in Afghanistan who was tortured and killed in 2002.
• GITMO: Inside the Wire (2008) an hour-long documentary by film-maker David Miller and journalist Yvonne Ridley after the two were given unprecedented access to the camp in May 2008. It has won several awards including a nomination at the Roma TV Festival in 2009
• Prisonnier à Guantanamo (2008) Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef and Jean-Michel Caradec'h. Paris. France. EDGV/Documents. ISBN 978-2-84267-945-3. Memoirs of the ex-ambassador of Taliban government in Pakistan.
• New York (2009) ,an Indian movie about an American Muslim of Indian origin being detained at the U.S. prison.
• Outside The Law: Stories From Guantánamo (2009) a British documentary, featuring interviews with previous Guantánamo detainees, a former U.S. Military Chaplain at Guantánamo Bay and human rights organisations such as Cageprisoners Ltd.
• A Base de Guantanamo (The Guantánamo Bay) is the Sixth song of the 2009 album Zii e Zie by Caetano Veloso
• Protest Against Obama Guantanamo PolicyThe Real News (video) - January 16, 2011

The only thing who paints it in a good light is this statement

In June 2005, the United States House Committee on Armed Services visited the camp and described it as a "resort" and complimented the quality of the food. However Democratic members of the committee complained that Republicans had blocked the testimony of attorneys representing the prisoners.[126]

And it's from a government committee that comes along with criticisms so that's hardly an independent source...

The evidence is OVERWHELMINGLY against Guantanamo being a lawful or good place for prisioners. And not only prisioners have said that, army officials too.

kuraimen

Are you incapable of typing something into google? Unlike some people who actually get to use computers at work, I can only use my smartphone. Can't link from that. I don't know what's suspicious about that.

Only a handful of what you copied have any negative wording associated with them. So where's this overwhelming evidence? Also, Guantanamo Bay is lawful. If it wasn't it would be shut down.

Well maybe it's too early to have assumed he is going to not receive maximum punishment. I suppose that came from how some insanity pleads tend to play out where the plaintiff is given a seemingly lighter sentence(though still harsh to us "free" people) as opposed to a maximum sentence being carried out.

What about my post is unfounded speculation besides me saying that the soldier might be able to avoid the harshest penalty? Are there not two different versions of this massacre? Is it not unfortunate for the victims of the slained innocent civilians? If this massacre was perpetrated on US civilians or military personel, would the "patriots" not be calling for his head?

My one bit of speculation about the soldier does not invalidate my entire post except for in your opinion because you don't agree with what I said could possibly happen, but if you're trying to insist that it does become invalid over that one little thing that doesn't sit well in your mind, then you're given a good example of the bigoted double standard of the American "patriot".

_R34LiTY_

I believe he actually has a traumatic brain injury. So he won't be able to use the insanity defense, and he sure won't be getting the death penalty. That's vastly different from a person who plotted, and carried out the murder of military members.

So, this is what the US stands for now? At least we're better than themiddle east? I expect more from a country like the US, you should too.

nunovlopes

At least? We treat prisoners leaps and bounds better than any middle eastern country. I really don't see the issue.

I'm not getting involved on either side of this debate to be honest, but to effectively say that there have been no legitimate complaints about the camp is ridiculous.Ravensmash

That's not what I said.

Just ignore airshocker, He's got no issue with torturing suspected criminals until they confess.Nibroc420

Where have I ever said that?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Just ignore airshocker, He's got no issue with torturing suspected criminals until they confess.airshocker

Where have I ever said that?

You are expecting logic from Nibroc?LJS9502_basic

More so than from kuraimen, yes.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Very suspicious that you can't even provide one direct link. According to Wikipedia these are the media documentaries and programs about Guantanamo

• Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, 2008 comedy film

ad1x2

You kind of destroyed any type of credibility you would have had with those other links by posting a link to a satire film on the top of your list.

LOL

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are expecting logic from Nibroc?airshocker

More so than from kuraimen, yes.

Harold and Kumar is satire?

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Well maybe it's too early to have assumed he is going to not receive maximum punishment. I suppose that came from how some insanity pleads tend to play out where the plaintiff is given a seemingly lighter sentence(though still harsh to us "free" people) as opposed to a maximum sentence being carried out.

What about my post is unfounded speculation besides me saying that the soldier might be able to avoid the harshest penalty? Are there not two different versions of this massacre? Is it not unfortunate for the victims of the slained innocent civilians? If this massacre was perpetrated on US civilians or military personel, would the "patriots" not be calling for his head?

My one bit of speculation about the soldier does not invalidate my entire post except for in your opinion because you don't agree with what I said could possibly happen, but if you're trying to insist that it does become invalid over that one little thing that doesn't sit well in your mind, then you're given a good example of the bigoted double standard of the American "patriot".

airshocker

I believe he actually has a traumatic brain injury. So he won't be able to use the insanity defense, and he sure won't be getting the death penalty. That's vastly different from a person who plotted, and carried out the murder of military members.

Regardless, how does that invalidate my post altogether?

Regardless, how does that invalidate my post altogether?

_R34LiTY_

You assumed it was invalidated. I made no such claim.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Regardless, how does that invalidate my post altogether?

airshocker

You assumed it was invalidated. I made no such claim.

Alright then, unfounded speculation....

How is my entire post unfounded speculation?

Osama bin Laden isn't a bad guy.

He just had a breakdown.

Justice should be tempered with mercy.

He just needs a good shrink and to rethink his life.

See what I did there?

Most people's thoughts on these issues is based on race/religion/nationality.

One of mine = poor guy had a breakdown

One of yours = genocidal maniac

I'm winning = Might makes right

You're winning = bu bu but morality

This all proves that human beings are nothing but animals, there will never be peace and unity.

I assert that my people should live, even at the slavery and expense of every other people.

I furthermore assert that this is just and moral, and ordained within our own holy books and religion as sacrament.

The above 2 statements make more sense and are more consistent than umpteen pages of opinions.

At the end of the day this is what humans are.

Love yours.

Kill and enslave others.

ZombieKiller7

Of course you're going to have Americans defending this guy. Many of those who are have served, is it really all that surprising? And if an Afghan or Iraqi walked into a US base and gunned down 16 of our people, they would be screaming for his head and "mental capacity" or "right and wrong" would not even be a consideration.

The greatest bias in this thread is held by those who claim not to have any.

Of course you're going to have Americans defending this guy. Many of those who are have served, is it really all that surprising? And if an Afghan or Iraqi walked into a US base and gunned down 16 of our people, they would be screaming for his head and "mental capacity" or "right and wrong" would not even be a consideration.MirkoS77

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I'm talking abou the army sargeant who killed those 16 people.airshocker

Sergeant*, That's technically a war crime, but I don't think they normally set up tribunals on individual grunts. More reserved for state leaders and commanders.

The US only allows such things to happen if it conviences them as a security member.. Outside of that they would never allow it.. That being said there are multiple peopel to blame.. Looking outside the actual perpatriator, the officers higher up are suppose to keep tight on these kind of things.. ANd they are suppose to have psyche evaluations from what I hear for such things to ensure that the soldiers are fit for duty. In the end of the day something like this is ALWAYS going to happen one way or another, that doesn't condone or justify this kind of behavior.. But people shouldn't be shocked with something like this happening, it happens in every war..

The US only allows such things to happen if it conviences them as a security member.. Outside of that they would never allow it.. That being said there are multiple peopel to blame.. Looking outside the actual perpatriator, the officers higher up are suppose to keep tight on these kind of things.. ANd they are suppose to have psyche evaluations from what I hear for such things to ensure that the soldiers are fit for duty. In the end of the day something like this is ALWAYS going to happen one way or another, that doesn't condone or justify this kind of behavior.. But people shouldn't be shocked with something like this happening, it happens in every war..

sSubZerOo

Don't be silly. No one would waste their time trying to charge an individual soldier with a war crime. At least not for something as relatively minor as murder.

Psych evals? The only time the military does a psych evaluation is if you are present signs of mental issues, or when you first get a security clearance. Aside from that, there are no psych evals.

Alright then, unfounded speculation....

How is my entire post unfounded speculation?

_R34LiTY_

I miss-typed, I only had an issue with your speculation on what was going to happen with the soldier.

[QUOTE="Vaultboy-101"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

So the taliban can kill high ranking servicemen in a secure facility and the innocent people can throw rocks and set fires but this guy is a "deuche" yeah got it. Guess the men and women KIA plus the uncounted who have been hurt get no love. Personally I don't endorse what was done but I can understand why he did it if he did plan it.

no-scope-AK47

You fail to mention the rest of the Afghan population that has been KIA by the U.S soldiers. It's quite obvious that the civilians don't like the opressive Americans at all, so yes, they can set fires and throw rocks, it's there own country. Although it's foolish, anyone throwing a rock over there at a U.S soldier will probably get a military grenade thrown at themselves, innocent ot not.

I would never want to go to war with a bleeding heart liberal like you. Kid it is war you go where you are told and things happen. There is enough ordnance there to wipe everybody out but you think we just kill at will. I would like to see another country fight in a urban theater with so few civilian casualties. I guess you missed out on the whole taliban terrorist thing huh. They killed more civilians than we ever did in the same country. Soliders make it possible for you to sit home safe and type crap on the internet about them. You think they are so great how about you go there and see what happens if you think they are such nice people. Hell we just freed 2 french reporters last year who were kidnapped.

You think you can do better get off your ass and go fight for your country instead of talking BS. Put your money where your mouth is. If you still think america is so bad come talk about it here.

Well this guy just gave the enemy a lot of propaganda to use.

I know he must have been highly disturbed to do this, but this is an unacceptable action for a soldier to do, and I'm ashamed none of his comrades or psychologists or superiors caught on to him.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Apocalypse97"]Why is everyone trying to justify this massacre over a 'mental breakdown'? Last time I checked, when killing someone you are not going to be considered mentally stable. Just because this person was serving in the military doesn't make him an exception.LJS9502_basic

So if an Afghan who lost his wife and kids in this 16-people massacre would go berserk, fly to the US and gun down 20 people in a school, hospital, etc., you'd continue to say it was just a mental breakdown and the guy should be forgiven?

ROFL

You and everyone else would be calling for his head and calling him a terrorist, and never for a second would "mental instability" cross your mind.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Because a lot of Americans on this website are doing damage control because its making the US look bad. Look at the thread where the US soldiers urinated on dead taliban, they said "its just war" and stupid **** like that, if it was the other way around they would be going beserk. Its just bias.nunovlopes

So if an Afghan who lost his wife and kids in this 16-people massacre would go berserk, fly to the US and gun down 20 people in a school, hospital, etc., you'd continue to say it was just a mental breakdown and the guy should be forgiven?

ROFL

You and everyone else would be calling for his head and calling him a terrorist, and never for a second would "mental instability" cross your mind.

What one soldier does....does not reflect on Americans so no damage control. The news report brought up the mental issue. And in the US at least we understand that sometimes people just aren't in the right frame of mind and we treat that differently. Your country may not do that. Which says more about your country actually.LJS9502_basic

In truth however it does reflect on Americans, perhaps not from a western perspective. However invasion forces may not be seen as individuals to the country in question.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Very suspicious that you can't even provide one direct link. According to Wikipedia these are the media documentaries and programs about Guantanamo

• Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, 2008 comedy film
• The Road to Guantánamo, 2006 film about the Tipton Three
• Guantanamo - American Officer Tortures Prisoners and Murders Investigator in an Iranian TV Drama, 2006 Iranian drama shown on Al-Kawthar TV and noted by the Middle East Media Research Institute
• Camp Delta, Guantanamo 2006, France culture.com, April 30, 2006-a radio feature by Frank Smith.
• Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo, a memoir by Murat Kurnaz.
• Frontline: The Torture Question (2005), a PBS documentary that traces the history of how decisions made in Washington in the immediate aftermath of September 11 led to a robust interrogation policy that laid the groundwork for prisoner abuse in Afghanistan, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.[257]
• Gitmo – The New Rules of War, an award winning Swedish documentary by Erik Gandini and Tarik Saleh/ATMO, raises some of the issues concerning the nature of the interrogation processes, through interviews with previous Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib personnel. It has won several awards including 1st prize-Seattle International Film Festival '06
• Habeas Schmabeas, an episode of the radio program This American Life produced by Chicago Public Radio, discussed the conditions at the facility, the legal justifications and arguments surrounding the detention of prisoners there, and the history of the principle of Habeas Corpus. It also features interviews with two former detainees. The episode won a 2006 Peabody Award.[258]
• Prisoner 345 (2006) details the case of Al Jazeera cameraman Sami Al Hajj, detained at the camp since 2002.
• Taxi to the Dark Side (2007) gives an in-depth look at the torture practices, focusing on an innocent taxi driver in Afghanistan who was tortured and killed in 2002.
• GITMO: Inside the Wire (2008) an hour-long documentary by film-maker David Miller and journalist Yvonne Ridley after the two were given unprecedented access to the camp in May 2008. It has won several awards including a nomination at the Roma TV Festival in 2009
• Prisonnier à Guantanamo (2008) Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef and Jean-Michel Caradec'h. Paris. France. EDGV/Documents. ISBN 978-2-84267-945-3. Memoirs of the ex-ambassador of Taliban government in Pakistan.
• New York (2009) ,an Indian movie about an American Muslim of Indian origin being detained at the U.S. prison.
• Outside The Law: Stories From Guantánamo (2009) a British documentary, featuring interviews with previous Guantánamo detainees, a former U.S. Military Chaplain at Guantánamo Bay and human rights organisations such as Cageprisoners Ltd.
• A Base de Guantanamo (The Guantánamo Bay) is the Sixth song of the 2009 album Zii e Zie by Caetano Veloso
• Protest Against Obama Guantanamo PolicyThe Real News (video) - January 16, 2011

The only thing who paints it in a good light is this statement

In June 2005, the United States House Committee on Armed Services visited the camp and described it as a "resort" and complimented the quality of the food. However Democratic members of the committee complained that Republicans had blocked the testimony of attorneys representing the prisoners.[126]

And it's from a government committee that comes along with criticisms so that's hardly an independent source...

The evidence is OVERWHELMINGLY against Guantanamo being a lawful or good place for prisioners. And not only prisioners have said that, army officials too.

airshocker

Are you incapable of typing something into google? Unlike some people who actually get to use computers at work, I can only use my smartphone. Can't link from that. I don't know what's suspicious about that.

Only a handful of what you copied have any negative wording associated with them. So where's this overwhelming evidence? Also, Guantanamo Bay is lawful. If it wasn't it would be shut down.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Osama bin Laden isn't a bad guy.

He just had a breakdown.

Justice should be tempered with mercy.

He just needs a good shrink and to rethink his life.

See what I did there?

Most people's thoughts on these issues is based on race/religion/nationality.

One of mine = poor guy had a breakdown

One of yours = genocidal maniac

I'm winning = Might makes right

You're winning = bu bu but morality

This all proves that human beings are nothing but animals, there will never be peace and unity.

I assert that my people should live, even at the slavery and expense of every other people.

I furthermore assert that this is just and moral, and ordained within our own holy books and religion as sacrament.

The above 2 statements make more sense and are more consistent than umpteen pages of opinions.

At the end of the day this is what humans are.

Love yours.

Kill and enslave others.

MirkoS77

Of course you're going to have Americans defending this guy. Many of those who are have served, is it really all that surprising? And if an Afghan or Iraqi walked into a US base and gunned down 16 of our people, they would be screaming for his head and "mental capacity" or "right and wrong" would not even be a consideration.

The greatest bias in this thread is held by those who claim not to have any.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What one soldier does....does not reflect on Americans so no damage control. The news report brought up the mental issue. And in the US at least we understand that sometimes people just aren't in the right frame of mind and we treat that differently. Your country may not do that. Which says more about your country actually.LJS9502_basic

So if an Afghan who lost his wife and kids in this 16-people massacre would go berserk, fly to the US and gun down 20 people in a school, hospital, etc., you'd continue to say it was just a mental breakdown and the guy should be forgiven?

ROFL

You and everyone else would be calling for his head and calling him a terrorist, and never for a second would "mental instability" cross your mind.

This was planned. The soldier may be insane but it was planned. It wasn't something that happened in the heat of the moment. He woke up one day, decided to do this and and carried it out. Maybe he was even thinking about it for some days, I'm speculatng of course but it's not absurd.

You're confusing crimes committed for emotional reasons, done in the heat of the moment, with insanity. You're claiming that if a person has time to plan then he's not insane. However, an insane person, regardless of the insanity reasons, can certainly plan something and carry it out. Wasn't that the defense being built for that Norwegian guy that killed dozens on an island?

My Afghan example still stands. The guy could be so affected, the pain so excruciating, to the point of insanity, that flying to the US 2 days later and killing people could seem a reasonable thing to do.

Just showing how biased you really are. Not that I agree with all this insanity crap, no one should get a free pass because he's "insane".

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Apocalypse97"]Why is everyone trying to justify this massacre over a 'mental breakdown'? Last time I checked, when killing someone you are not going to be considered mentally stable. Just because this person was serving in the military doesn't make him an exception.LJS9502_basic

The overwhelming evidence is that there's practically NONE that says positive things about it. You're the one who claimed Guantanamo is not a bad place I only found one questionable source against like 10 sources claiming the contrary. Your turn.kuraimen

One? Three are movies, one's widely regarded as one of the worst comedy movie ever created, one's a TV shows(as in fiction), and only a handful of the others actually refer to camp conditions.

Perhaps you're getting confused in translation. I'm not saying Guantanamo Bay is like a resort, but the detainees are treated fairly well there. Far better than any middle eastern country has ever treated an American.

Americans are the only people in this board who defend such acts and murderers. It is almost unbelievable and then they complain because people bash them.kuraimen

Who is defending this guy...?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The overwhelming evidence is that there's practically NONE that says positive things about it. You're the one who claimed Guantanamo is not a bad place I only found one questionable source against like 10 sources claiming the contrary. Your turn.airshocker

One? Three are movies, one's widely regarded as one of the worst comedy movie ever created, one's a TV shows(as in fiction), and only a handful of the others actually refer to camp conditions.

Perhaps you're getting confused in translation. I'm not saying Guantanamo Bay is like a resort, but the detainees are treated fairly well there. Far better than any middle eastern country has ever treated an American.

I copy-pasted all the list Wikipedia has. That means those are probably all documentaries and programs on Guantanamo. If you have any other that is not there and contradicts the bulk of information there then provide it. You could also update Wikipedia with the new info since apparently they are not aware of it.kuraimen

I just read through the list, and they're not all documentaries. Unless you're saying Harold and Kumar is a documentary. :lol:

You still haven't googled what I told you to? How pathetic.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The overwhelming evidence is that there's practically NONE that says positive things about it. You're the one who claimed Guantanamo is not a bad place I only found one questionable source against like 10 sources claiming the contrary. Your turn.airshocker

One? Three are movies, one's widely regarded as one of the worst comedy movie ever created, one's a TV shows(as in fiction), and only a handful of the others actually refer to camp conditions.

Perhaps you're getting confused in translation. I'm not saying Guantanamo Bay is like a resort, but the detainees are treated fairly well there. Far better than any middle eastern country has ever treated an American.