US soldier goes on rampage in Afghanistan killing 16 innocent civilians

The Reuters article is incredibly disturbing. But this is a disgrace for our soldiers, especially in these trying times.

Then again, the way we waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq was a mistake.

BossPerson is a troll that should be ignored, every comment he posts is the same tired old rhetoric defending Muslims against any and all critisicm (fair or unfair, truth or not, doesn't matter as according to this person they NEVER do wrong), and being argumentative and insulting towards anyone that shares an opinon that differs from his bigoted views.

And for the record, some may call them "innocent civillians", but how many of these "innocent civillians" have been very quick to betray foriegn aid workers, and journalists working there in the past? (and I'm not talkng about contractors, or engineers, or soldiers etc but Western Civillians there to assist these ungrateful "innocent" people only to find they are betrayed when they are there to actually put forward their side of events there).

BossPerson is a troll that should be ignored, every comment he posts is the same tired old rhetoric defending Muslims against any and all critisicm (fair or unfair, truth or not, doesn't matter as according to this person they NEVER do wrong), and being argumentative and insulting towards anyone that shares an opinon that differs from his bigoted views.

And for the record, some may call them "innocent civillians", but how many of these "innocent civillians" have been very quick to betray foriegn aid workers, and journalists working there in the past? (and I'm not talkng about contractors, or engineers, or soldiers etc but Western Civillians there to assist these ungrateful "innocent" people only to find they are betrayed when they are there to actually put forward their side of events there).

OmenUK

And for the record, some may call them "innocent civillians", but how many of these "innocent civillians" have been very quick to betray foriegn aid workers, and journalists working there in the past? (and I'm not talkng about contractors, or engineers, or soldiers etc but Western Civillians there to assist these ungrateful "innocent" people only to find they are betrayed when they are there to actually put forward their side of events there).

OmenUK

I don't know about you but if my country was invaded I'd be pretty pissed off. I'm sure they promise of foreign aid sounds great but the outcome hasn't been the greatest. Ever since this war they haven't seen any positive results, new leader with Karzai, same stuff still happening. Their country has been through a lot of s*** over the years.

I'd be pissed and ungrateful too.

What if it was a Russian with a fake US ID who joined the military to go to the middle east and then make the US look bad? /conspiracyNiKva

I thought ISAF Forces are supposed to be the 'good guys'... "Hearts and Minds" remember? Because of the actions of a few Americans-- Between pissing on the bodies of fallen opfors, the more recent Q'uran burning tension, and now this it's no wonder they're all being regarded as a pack of degenerates, bullies and thugs by the populace of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and most of the world at large... 67gt500

And what you thought the allies during World War II were awesome good guys and the Nazis were evil bastards who killed babies?

Nothing's perfect but doesn't excuse the behavior of these soldiers even if it's because of war. Civilian casualities are likely and will happen regardless but if it's intentional, that's a different story. Regardless of the actions of these soldiers, it doesn't represent the entire American military nor are those actions forgiven or forgotten. The accused are always tried and sentenced and that's what the world needs to realize.

In fact the world need to realize that we hold a higher standard to wartime, our soldiers, and fighting where as the enemy is ruthless in its pursuit: They have been known to kill innocent civilians and plan to continue their oppression on others. They aren't tried but instead they are seen as "heroes."

I thought ISAF Forces are supposed to be the 'good guys'... "Hearts and Minds" remember? Because of the actions of a few Americans-- Between pissing on the bodies of fallen opfors, the more recent Q'uran burning tension, and now this it's no wonder they're all being regarded as a pack of degenerates, bullies and thugs by the populace of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and most of the world at large... 67gt500

How fvcking ignorant and idiotic can you be?

[QUOTE="NiKva"]What if it was a Russian with a fake US ID who joined the military to go to the middle east and then make the US look bad? /conspiracy67gt500

BossPerson is a troll that should be ignored, every comment he posts is the same tired old rhetoric defending Muslims against any and all critisicm (fair or unfair, truth or not, doesn't matter as according to this person they NEVER do wrong), and being argumentative and insulting towards anyone that shares an opinon that differs from his bigoted views.

And for the record, some may call them "innocent civillians", but how many of these "innocent civillians" have been very quick to betray foriegn aid workers, and journalists working there in the past? (and I'm not talkng about contractors, or engineers, or soldiers etc but Western Civillians there to assist these ungrateful "innocent" people only to find they are betrayed when they are there to actually put forward their side of events there).

OmenUK

What if it was a Russian with a fake US ID who joined the military to go to the middle east and then make the US look bad? /conspiracyNiKva

He would have also needed a fake birth certificate, a fake Social Security Card, and a fake high school diploma to enlist.

[spoiler] Yeah, I know you're not serious, so don't think I didn't get your sarcasm. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="67gt500"]I thought ISAF Forces are supposed to be the 'good guys'... "Hearts and Minds" remember? Because of the actions of a few Americans-- Between pissing on the bodies of fallen opfors, the more recent Q'uran burning tension, and now this it's no wonder they're all being regarded as a pack of degenerates, bullies and thugs by the populace of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and most of the world at large... SpartanMSU

How fvcking ignorant and idiotic can you be?

I think the military should start banning soldiers to venture outside bases with firearms alone.SeventhEntity

US troops are already banned from leaving bases alone in the Middle East, armed or not. The main reason is because they could be kidnapped. If a Soldier goes off base alone he sunk off the base when nobody was watching.

One person or several, mental breakdown or not you gotta expect sh*t like this. War has a dehumanizing effect and when you send people to war, especially for years, things like this will happen.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's a shame.....but then it did say he had a breakdown which is also a shame.BossPerson

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's a shame.....but then it did say he had a breakdown which is also a shame.BossPerson

Psychologically healthy people, generally speaking, don't go on killing rampages. Moreover, that is not a justification for any action. Stop being a daft cvnt.

he still needs to be tried for what he did, and that's take 16 lives'.

if somebody killed my family and someone tried to justify it by saying he had a "mental breakdown" i would probably go insane myself.

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I only read part of the story off of Yahoo and it didn't go into too much detail. It only talked about how the Afghan president condemned the attack and it didn't mention the Soldier having any accomplices.

If he's guilty he needs to be court-martialed and if convicted put away for a long time. I understand that other troops were murdered due to the Koran burnings but that doesn't give him the excuse to execute innocent civilians.

Being deployed can be stressful especially when you have to deal with the Taliban using schools and mosques as bases of operation. But when it comes down to it, US troops have to do the right thing and not resort to revenge.

If that Soldier did what he did because he was mentally ill he needs help. But he still needs to be locked up as well.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

I only read part of the story off of Yahoo and it didn't go into too much detail. It only talked about how the Afghan president condemned the attack and it didn't mention the Soldier having any accomplices.

If he's guilty he needs to be court-martialed and if convicted put away for a long time. I understand that other troops were murdered due to the Koran burnings but that doesn't give him the excuse to execute innocent civilians.

Being deployed can be stressful especially when you have to deal with the Taliban using schools and mosques as bases of operation. But when it comes down to it, US troops have to do the right thing and not resort to revenge.

If that Soldier did what he did because he was mentally ill he needs help. But he still needs to be locked up as well.

the_plan_man

Saying he was batsh!t is not an excuse or justification.

That said, the guy should be kept behind bars for the remainder of his existence for the sake of public safety.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No he needs treatment......coolbeans90

Saying he was batsh!t is not an excuse or justification.

That said, the guy should be kept behind bars for the remainder of his existence for the sake of public safety.

Foresight, this solider lacked any. Taliban have yet another recuitment tool. Dumbass.

Wasdie

ALSO

I seriously do hate how every time anything bad happens everyone wants the perpetrator to be, like, tortured to death.

Just put him in jail for life, and the problem is solved.

You're just being a dick past that point.

Did the US solider convert to Islam or something?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] No, he needs to be hanged. There's no excuse for what he did, even if it was a "mental breakdown." Same with the Columbine shooters, Virginia Tech, ect. It's the army's fault as well, IMO; but I don't know much about what goes on there.the_plan_man

Saying he was batsh!t is not an excuse or justification.

That said, the guy should be kept behind bars for the remainder of his existence for the sake of public safety.

You kinda did, or otherwise were making a non-existent argument against the point that he was mentally unhinged. If such is the case that he was chemically imbalanced, the extent of culpability of his actions is questionable - and it has yet to be determined precisely to what extent he had the capacity to act. In any case, the term "deserves" is silly and the death penalty is another issue, but I cannot claim to support it. Regardless of the extent the control he had over his own actions, there is exactly one way this should end: permanent detention.

ALSO

I seriously do hate how every time anything bad happens everyone wants the perpetrator to be, like, tortured to death.

Just put him in jail for life, and the problem is solved.

You're just being a dick past that point.

jaydough

ALSO

I seriously do hate how every time anything bad happens everyone wants the perpetrator to be, like, tortured to death.

jaydough

That's what they deserve, bro.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Saying he was batsh!t is not an excuse or justification.

That said, the guy should be kept behind bars for the remainder of his existence for the sake of public safety.

coolbeans90

You kinda did, or otherwise were making a non-existent argument against the point that he was mentally unhinged. If such is the case that he was chemically imbalanced, the extent of culpability of his actions is questionable - and it has yet to be determined precisely to what extent he had the capacity to act. In any case, the term "deserves" is silly and the death penalty is another issue, but I cannot claim to support it. Regardless of the extent the control he had over his own actions, there is exactly one way this should end: permanent detention.

Foresight, this solider lacked any. Taliban have yet another recuitment tool. Dumbass.

Wasdie

BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUE TRAGEDY HERE AMIRITE??

Christ, Wasdie.

Did the US solider convert to Islam or something?

nousername66

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] I'm not saying it was. Innocent women and children were slain, and he needs more than just "treatment"...he deserves to die.the_plan_man

You kinda did, or otherwise were making a non-existent argument against the point that he was mentally unhinged. If such is the case that he was chemically imbalanced, the extent of culpability of his actions is questionable - and it has yet to be determined precisely to what extent he had the capacity to act. In any case, the term "deserves" is silly and the death penalty is another issue, but I cannot claim to support it. Regardless of the extent the control he had over his own actions, there is exactly one way this should end: permanent detention.

Erm, insanity actually might be taken into consideration and as I said before I am not a supporter of the death penalty as is, so irrelevance is irrelevant.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You kinda did, or otherwise were making a non-existent argument against the point that he was mentally unhinged. If such is the case that he was chemically imbalanced, the extent of culpability of his actions is questionable - and it has yet to be determined precisely to what extent he had the capacity to act. In any case, the term "deserves" is silly and the death penalty is another issue, but I cannot claim to support it. Regardless of the extent the control he had over his own actions, there is exactly one way this should end: permanent detention.

coolbeans90

Erm, insanity actually might be taken into consideration and as I said before I am not a supporter of the death penalty as is, so irrelevance is irrelevant.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Foresight, this solider lacked any. Taliban have yet another recuitment tool. Dumbass.

coolbeans90

BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUE TRAGEDY HERE AMIRITE??

Christ, Wasdie.

Well other than the fact that 16 people died pointlessly, I didn't think I had to actually say that in words. I figured that it's a tradegy and I didn't need to repeat what we already know. But apparently you think im some heathen.

The assumptions you make are just dumb. What am I going to do, sit and rant for 20 hours about how America is evil? Would that make you feel better?

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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] If he did this anywhere in the US, he would be issued the death penalty without question, especially if women and children were involved. Why is Afghanistan any different? Are we BETTER than they are?the_plan_man

Erm, insanity actually might be taken into consideration and as I said before I am not a supporter of the death penalty as is, so irrelevance is irrelevant.

Incorrect: Insanity precludes the death penalty. He could very well be thrown behind bars instead.

[QUOTE="nousername66"]

Did the US solider convert to Islam or something?

H_M_1

If he did this anywhere in the US, he would be issued the death penalty without question, especially if women and children were involved. Why is Afghanistan any different? Are we BETTER than they are?the_plan_man

To be fair, former PFC Steven Green is serving a life sentence right now for raping and killing an 14-year old Iraqi girl while deployed over there. He faced the death penalty but the jurors couldn't agree on it when they convicted him. You shouldn't assume the shooter is going to get off scott-free until after his court-martial is over.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Foresight, this solider lacked any. Taliban have yet another recuitment tool. Dumbass.

Wasdie

BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUE TRAGEDY HERE AMIRITE??

Christ, Wasdie.

Well other than the fact that 16 people died pointlessly, I didn't think I had to actually say that in words. I figured that it's a tradegy and I didn't need to repeat what we already know. But apparently you think im some heathen.

The assumptions you make are just dumb. What am I going to do, sit and rant for 20 hours about how America is evil? Would that make you feel better?

Well, to be fair, you have a very interesting posting history and I find it amusing that the first thing posted was: "gee, the Taliban's prob gonna get some recruits from this"

And no, hating 'Murica doesn't win brownie points with me.

he's a terroristZumaJones07

No, he's just a guy snapped under all of the stress and literally became a psychotic killer. Unless he wanted to spread fear among the people of Afghanistan, he's not a terrorist. The whole point of a terrorist is to spread fear and panic, not to just kill people.

Every bad person in the world isn't a terrorist. I see that word getting thrown around way to much by people today.

This only further fuels the anti-west sentiment in the middle east, regardless of whether or not the person had a breakdown, it's a big deal.Haziqonfire

This is bascially what I said and yet I was called out on it. What the hell...

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

ALSO

I seriously do hate how every time anything bad happens everyone wants the perpetrator to be, like, tortured to death.

Just put him in jail for life, and the problem is solved.

You're just being a dick past that point.

the_plan_man

Unless you're a sick fuϲk like him, torture should not make you feel better in any circumstance.

RAGE QUIT!

lol na i think he got too high off all those drug farms that u.s support over there.

RAGE QUIT!

lol na i think he got too high off all those drug farms that u.s support over there.

k2theswiss

People on opioids don't do ѕhit

and the us doesn't support it, the us just doesn't care, because it's none of their business.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Foresight, this solider lacked any. Taliban have yet another recuitment tool. Dumbass.

Wasdie

BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUE TRAGEDY HERE AMIRITE??

Christ, Wasdie.

Well other than the fact that 16 people died pointlessly, I didn't think I had to actually say that in words. I figured that it's a tradegy and I didn't need to repeat what we already know. But apparently you think im some heathen.

The assumptions you make are just dumb. What am I going to do, sit and rant for 20 hours about how America is evil? Would that make you feel better?

you gotta at least show some level of ethos bro

you were kind of mischaracterizing your argument

You invade a country.. bomb the hell out of it.. turn their lives into a living hell.. murder its citizens and then you have the audacity to blame it on mental breakdown? If anyone is in the position to have a mental breakdown its the civilians whose lives America has DESTROYED.

Nevermind though.. Keep flying the flag of freedom America and spread that democracy! Land of the free and home of the brave.. yeah right. If this was a legitimate mental breakdown it should be an indication of what is really going on there. The US makes me vomit literally.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] I'm not saying it was. Innocent women and children were slain, and he needs more than just "treatment"...he deserves to die.the_plan_man

You kinda did, or otherwise were making a non-existent argument against the point that he was mentally unhinged. If such is the case that he was chemically imbalanced, the extent of culpability of his actions is questionable - and it has yet to be determined precisely to what extent he had the capacity to act. In any case, the term "deserves" is silly and the death penalty is another issue, but I cannot claim to support it. Regardless of the extent the control he had over his own actions, there is exactly one way this should end: permanent detention.

You invade a country.. bomb the hell out of it.. turn their lives into a living hell.. murder its citizens and then you have the audacity to blame it on mental breakdown? If anyone is in the position to have a mental breakdown its the civilians whose lives America has DESTROYED.

Nevermind though.. Keep flying the flag of freedom America and spread that democracy! Land of the free and home of the brave.. yeah right. If this was a legitimate mental breakdown it should be an indication of what is really going on there. The US makes me vomit literally.

Asim90

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

You invade a country.. bomb the hell out of it.. turn their lives into a living hell.. murder its citizens and then you have the audacity to blame it on mental breakdown? If anyone is in the position to have a mental breakdown its the civilians whose lives America has DESTROYED.

Nevermind though.. Keep flying the flag of freedom America and spread that democracy! Land of the free and home of the brave.. yeah right. If this was a legitimate mental breakdown it should be an indication of what is really going on there. The US makes me vomit literally.

nousername66

You are all idiots.

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

You invade a country.. bomb the hell out of it.. turn their lives into a living hell.. murder its citizens and then you have the audacity to blame it on mental breakdown? If anyone is in the position to have a mental breakdown its the civilians whose lives America has DESTROYED.

Nevermind though.. Keep flying the flag of freedom America and spread that democracy! Land of the free and home of the brave.. yeah right. If this was a legitimate mental breakdown it should be an indication of what is really going on there. The US makes me vomit literally.

nousername66

The hijackers were actually Saudi.