US soldier goes on rampage in Afghanistan killing 16 innocent civilians

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#201 TehFuneral
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The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

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#202 gubrushadow
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The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!
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#203 THE_DRUGGIE
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The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

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A couple days in the pokey.

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#204 LJS9502_basic
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The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

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#205 worlock77
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The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

He'd be tried under military law, which isn't necessarily comparable to civilian law (in fact it's usually harsher).

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#206 TehFuneral
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[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

THE_DRUGGIE

A couple days in the pokey.

America must have some damn good lawyers.

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#207 Crunchy_Nuts
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The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!gubrushadow
Yes it is a tragedy that so many people lost their lives but how can he be guilty if he is not in a fit mental state an incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. I'm pretty sure if he just wanted to kill the civilians he would have had plenty of other opportunities before.
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#208 MrPraline
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The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!gubrushadow
This.
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#209 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

A couple days in the pokey.

America must have some damn good lawyers.

It's pretty much the top profession.

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#210 LJS9502_basic
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The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!gubrushadow
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.
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#211 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!MrPraline
This.

Oh well the my post applies to you as well.....
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#212 MrPraline
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The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral
Few years probably. He's lucky all he did was kill some brown people. I mean, if he leaked CLASSIFIED FILES to a random wiki site, OH GOD, he would've been F*CKED.
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#213 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!LJS9502_basic
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

He handed himself in.
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#214 ad1x2
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Alot wrong with adds, they alter perception vs reality and it's asking for people with less with half a brain to come & cause problems. Fact of the matter is that many in the army suffer from psychological problems simply because their personality doesn'tt suit the military life or due to them being untrained in that aspect.

Feel free to blame that specific individual for it's actions, that way it's just waiting for more troubles to happen. And yes, they do happen quite often but they don't make it the news quite often.

Secondly, I dislike the training and college money for the fact that this results in many young men enrolling in the military. These are people who are not fully developed psychologically and trauma's are bound to cause a ton of damage. I favor superior after war support and special honors for them or their family as motivational tools more then the current stuff. Fact of the matter is that better support means less dropouts.

On your last point,I'd rather have men chosen by draft then kiddo's running around in the battlefield. On the other hand Í am against most wars and military actions so the entire military should be smaller anyway.

rastotm

The military hires ad agencies to make their TV spots, although they do screen the ads before they are posted and allow actual troops instead of actors be in them. Blame the ad agency.

Anyway, if somebody is too stupid to know that joining the Army means you might go to a combat zone they're probably too dumb to pass the ASVAB in the first place. That pretty much solves the problem you have with the ads not mentioning the dangers of war. You don't see McDonald's saying eating too many Big Macs can make you fat in their ads but common sense should reveal that being a possibility.

The military doesn't employ professionalpsychiatristsat every military processing station to screen for people who may be mentally handicapped. They just do a full physical on them and make them fill out a medical questionnaire with the threat of jail time and/or fines if they lie about past medical conditions. If you want them to putpsychiatrists at each processing station be prepared to pay more in taxes.

As for the draft, I would prefer people who actually want to be there watching my back than draftees. I would probably have more confidence in the 19-year old who joined out of high school because his grandfather fought in Vietnam than the rich kid who is only there because his dad didn't know a Senator powerful enough to get him out of the draft. Also, a smaller military means larger workloads or longer tours on the few who are still in.

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#215 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!Ravensmash
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

He handed himself in.

So?
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#216 nZiFFLe
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apparently, some of the bodies were set on fire...maybe this suggests this incident was premeditated and not a result of a "nervous breakdown".

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#217 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!Crunchy_Nuts
Yes it is a tragedy that so many people lost their lives but how can he be guilty if he is not in a fit mental state an incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. I'm pretty sure if he just wanted to kill the civilians he would have had plenty of other opportunities before.

Would that take them where they put the errr....mentally sick murderers?
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#218 TehFuneral
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[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

LJS9502_basic

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

With that, then every psychopath can plead to be mentally ill ... or can they?

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#219 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

He handed himself in.

So?

So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.
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#220 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!Ravensmash
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

He handed himself in.

No one's doubting whether he killed them or not. The debate is about his mental state.
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#221 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!LJS9502_basic
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

Uh HUH.
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#222 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] He handed himself in.Ravensmash
So?

So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.

Doesn't matter. In the US all people are assumed innocent until proven guilty. And one with the mental incapacity is not generally found guilty. But it doesn't matter that we know he acted....the question is his mental state at the time.

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#223 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

With that, then every psychopath can plead to be mentally ill ... or can they?

In America, all murderers are sent to the mental hospital, hence the short jail time.

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#224 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

With that, then every psychopath can plead to be mentally ill ... or can they?

That's why people tend to be tested before they claim they have mental problems.
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#225 worlock77
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] He handed himself in.Ravensmash
So?

So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.

Trolling, or stupid?

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#226 TehFuneral
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[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

worlock77

He'd be tried under military law, which isn't necessarily comparable to civilian law (in fact it's usually harsher).

Not sure if my information is right, but didn't the soldiers responsible for Abu Garib just get a dishonorable dischage without any charges?

Im sure a civillian molestation case would result in a harsher punishment.

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#227 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]The man killed innocent people,he is guilty,SHUT UP PEOPLE AND FEEL SAD ABOUT THE LOST LIVES!gubrushadow
Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.

Uh HUH.

Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.
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#228 gubrushadow
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Is he white or black?
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#229 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So?worlock77

So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.

Trolling, or stupid?

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.
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#230 alexside1
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

With that, then every psychopath can plead to be mentally ill ... or can they?

Apparently you missing the part of him saying that you have to prove it as in proving them wrong on him having a metal break down.Is it reasonable to give punishments regardless of this fact?
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#231 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

He'd be tried under military law, which isn't necessarily comparable to civilian law (in fact it's usually harsher).

Not sure if my information is right, but didn't the soldiers responsible for Abu Garib just get a dishonorable dischage without any charges?

Im sure a civillian molestation case would result in a harsher punishment.

No. Dishonorable discharges happen with guilty verdicts as well....
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#232 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you I see.....fortunately our court systems don't have the knee jerk reactions you do. It's a shame people died....but I doubt it emotionally affects anyone here unless they knew them.LJS9502_basic
Uh HUH.

Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.

Uh HUH!
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#233 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.Ravensmash

Trolling, or stupid?

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.

Hmm.....you do enjoy calling people that disagree with you hostile.:lol:
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#234 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Uh HUH.gubrushadow
Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.

Uh HUH!

Ah a proud ass. Got it. UH HUH!
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#235 worlock77
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

First you have to prove if the person was able to grasp mentally that what he did was wrong....ie people with mental illnesses are not tried as though they understood their actions. So if he had a break down that changes everything.....

With that, then every psychopath can plead to be mentally ill ... or can they?

It's not that simple. A person doesn't just get off because he's mentall ill. If one is actually found not guilty for reasons of mental illness than means they're a danger to society. That means that instead of X amount of years in prison they are held in a mental ward by the state until the state determines that they are no longer a danger. That could be 5 years, or they could spend the rest of their lives there. So a ruling of "not guilty by reasons of insanity/mental illness" is potentially much worse for the defendant than a straight up "guilty" verdict.

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#236 alexside1
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Uh HUH.gubrushadow
Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.

Uh HUH!

I image you brain being snap by typing this... Go see a doctor...
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#237 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.alexside1
Uh HUH!

I image you brain being snap by typing this... Go see a doctor...

Yeah, this thread isn't rock science.
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#238 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Trolling, or stupid?

LJS9502_basic

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.

Hmm.....you do enjoy calling people that disagree with you hostile.:lol:

Yes.

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#239 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] So I assume it's safe to say he's guilty. Innocent people don't tend to hand themselves in for fun.Ravensmash

Trolling, or stupid?

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.

Your misinterpretation of the subject has nothing to do with your idiotic "innocent people don't turn themselves in" comment.

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#240 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well I do hope you're not a hypocrite and display the proper emotional turmoil for every death you hear about....and when you crack from the experience we can all call for your life incarceration or whatever we deem appropriate as well. With luck you'll experience a guilty verdict.alexside1
Uh HUH!

I image you brain being snap by typing this... Go see a doctor...

Go see an english teacher please :3
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#241 MrPraline
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UH HUH!LJS9502_basic
I'm glad you're acting your age.
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#242 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

The guy killed 16 people. Im not a law expert, but what is the jail time usually given for a single homicide in America?

TehFuneral

He'd be tried under military law, which isn't necessarily comparable to civilian law (in fact it's usually harsher).

Not sure if my information is right, but didn't the soldiers responsible for Abu Garib just get a dishonorable dischage without any charges?

Im sure a civillian molestation case would result in a harsher punishment.

I don't know what case you're referring to, but a dishonorable discharge is pretty severe and usually accompanies a criminal conviction.

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Trolling, or stupid?

worlock77

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.

Your misinterpretation of the subject has nothing to do with your idiotic "innocent people don't turn themselves in" comment.

Such anger, have I done something to upset you? I wholeheartedly apologise friend.
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#244 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]UH HUH!MrPraline
I'm glad you're acting your age.

I'm glad you're acting as though you live under the bridge....FYI moron I was quoting him so you should be dealing with him.;)

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#245 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Trolling, or stupid?

LJS9502_basic

Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.

Hmm.....you do enjoy calling people that disagree with you hostile.:lol:

And you call those people "trolls", everyone has his vices I guess.

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#246 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.MrPraline

Hmm.....you do enjoy calling people that disagree with you hostile.:lol:

And you call those people "trolls", everyone has his vices I guess.

Can't hear ya troll...
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#247 RandomWinner
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Soldiers have it worse than anyone in this country and when they get home, that doesn't change. Veteran unemployment rate is higher than the national average. It really is a thankless job. I blame the army for not giving him someone to talk to.

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#248 alexside1
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Uh HUH!

I image you brain being snap by typing this... Go see a doctor...

Go see an English teacher please :3

Fix'd smartass.
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#249 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.Ravensmash

Your misinterpretation of the subject has nothing to do with your idiotic "innocent people don't turn themselves in" comment.

Such anger, have I done something to upset you? I wholeheartedly apologise friend.

He's just an *sshole.
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#250 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Actually misinterpreted the context of the conversation - although I don't appreciate your hostility. From what I can gather, two varying reports out there - one that he was alone, the other was that it was a group who appeared 'drunk and laughing', from that Reuters article, so it'll be interesting to see where this turns out in the coming days. Horrific though either way.Ravensmash

Your misinterpretation of the subject has nothing to do with your idiotic "innocent people don't turn themselves in" comment.

Such anger, have I done something to upset you? I wholeheartedly apologise friend.

And now you presume to know my mood? My my, you are full of yourself aren't you? No anger, I simply call an idiotic comment idiotic. If I were angry I'd be typing something that would earn me a suspension.