Violent Protests in the UK

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God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

l4dak47

Big difference, i'd love for Americans to have easier acces to education.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="OBLOK"]God forbid we live in a society where a person cannot get educated because he is incapable to pay for it.

OBLOK

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] God forbid you bash the U.S.......again. For no reason, too. l4dak47

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Waaahh waaah waaah, I actuallly have to pay for my own college (an investment in MYSELF), waaah waah waahh. My god, this entitlement crap is getting ridiculous. They're making themselves look childish. Throwing tantrums over having to provide for yourself. What a joke.

SpartanMSU

Different country ... Different expectations.

Americans would cry a thousand tears if they werent allowed to buy ridiculous amounts of guns. Yet ... we seems fine with that.

1) Being able to buy guns has nothing to do with entitlements...In the UKs case, the government is reducing handouts, in you're hypothetical case, the US is disregarding a constitutional right. Completely different.

2) Regardless, I didn't mention Americans in my post so...yeaaah...

I'm simply drawing parralels between two different societys. You think it's silly that brits expect help paying for Uni. We think it's silly Americans can stock pile assult rifles.

If American where refused the right to do so im sure they'd be riots(As youve said it's a constitutional right) Brits would probably still view it as childish, and in fact quite ridiculous. As if everyone needs guns ...

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="OBLOK"]God forbid we live in a society where a person cannot get educated because he is incapable to pay for it.

OBLOK

Big difference, i'd love for Americans to have easier acces to education.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

l4dak47

Educations is a very basic right of a supposed developed country. This shouldextend to university. It's not as if they're asking to have it free,British Students feel like they're less important then people who would rather die they be consider part of britain, when while a promise to not raise student fees is broken, the government feel fine with handing a country 80million, and then going on to claim they'll be handing money to even more countries.

All this whilst benefits for low income families are cut.

Charity starts at home. We shouldnt consider aiding other countries in such a way until we ourselves are at a point where there are no people suffering.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]It would be hard to get a good job to pay for your education without any education.-Snooze-

Educations is a very basic right of a supposed developed country. This shouldextend to university. It's not as if they're asking to have it free,British Students feel like they're less important then people who would rather die they be consider part of britain, when while a promise to not raise student fees is broken, the government feel fine with handing a country 80million, and then going on to claim they'll be handing money to even more countries.

All this whilst benefits for low income families are cut.

Charity starts at home. We shouldnt consider aiding other countries in such a way until we ourselves are at a point where there are no people suffering.

This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.Osaka-06

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.sonicare

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.sonicare

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.sonicare

The US has a educated public your joking right?

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.l4dak47

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.Shrimp_Scampi

The US has a educated public your joking right?

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] That also happens in the US, Canada, Australiam, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, etc.Crunchy_Nuts

The US has a educated public your joking right?

That plus education system of a 3rd world country.

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]wow lol i never thought the day would come that people would be greatfull for paying more money for something that is a lot cheaper elsewhere, and think that it is ok to work for an extra 2 years of their life :lol:

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

OBLOK

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

There are plenty of ways to pay for your education...you don't have to be wealthy to go to college.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.Shrimp_Scampi

The US has a educated public your joking right?

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Different country ... Different expectations.

Americans would cry a thousand tears if they werent allowed to buy ridiculous amounts of guns. Yet ... we seems fine with that.

-Snooze-

1) Being able to buy guns has nothing to do with entitlements...In the UKs case, the government is reducing handouts, in you're hypothetical case, the US is disregarding a constitutional right. Completely different.

2) Regardless, I didn't mention Americans in my post so...yeaaah...

I'm simply drawing parralels between two different societys. You think it's silly that brits expect help paying for Uni. We think it's silly Americans can stock pile assult rifles.

If American where refused the right to do so im sure they'd be riots(As youve said it's a constitutional right) Brits would probably still view it as childish, and in fact quite ridiculous. As if everyone needs guns ...

No, I think it's silly that ANYONE expects someone else to pay for their education (an investment in YOURSELF). :|

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

SpartanMSU

There are plenty of ways to pay for your education...you don't have to be wealthy to go to college.

I understand the angst, but there's no call for this level of rancor, imo. Lose the sense of entitlement, rioters.Elraptor

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.Shrimp_Scampi

The US has a educated public your joking right?

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]I understand the angst, but there's no call for this level of rancor, imo. Lose the sense of entitlement, rioters.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]I understand the angst, but there's no call for this level of rancor, imo. Lose the sense of entitlement, rioters.Crunchy_Nuts

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]God forbid we live in a society where a person cannot get educated because he is incapable to pay for it.

toast_burner

There are plenty of ways to pay for your education...you don't have to be wealthy to go to college.

That's what I meant by college...I live in the U.S. No one says "uni" here.

Entitlement issues methinks. My school raised tuition by 3000 one year and not one person sat outside to protest, much less violently.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

There are plenty of ways to pay for your education...you don't have to be wealthy to go to college.

SpartanMSU

That's what I meant by college...I live in the U.S. No one says "uni" here.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"]This is what I love about Europe actually. People care about their life-situations and politics. The whole continent is filled to the brim with political debate and clash of ideaologies, which in turn educate the population.Osaka-06

Peter and the Test Tube Babies summed it up perfectly

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

halo1399

Yeah in the US we only threaten to over throw the government if they raise taxes or try to give us healthcare without bankrupting us.

Entitlement issues methinks. My school raised tuition by 3000 one year and not one person sat outside to protest, much less violently.

Vaasman

ANARCHY IN THE UK!

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Can you show me evidence of california universities clearly struggling with providing important services to their students? If it is a clear case that they need more funding then I guess tuition should be raised. But all the cases I have seen have never been like that. They were always the university tricking its community, etc. Basically doing anything it can to leech more money.

argetlam00

lmao, states can raise fee's in the US? Interesting. Aren't universities seperate from the government?

some are, some are not. Most it seems are. And as they rely on government funding and stuff, they can do whatever they want.

Hell, I graduated 3 years ago (2007) and when to school in 2002...when I went, it was 1200 a quarter, when I left, it was 1600, and now it is 2000 a quarter. Freaking rediculous, man.

you're criticising uk students, correct me if im wrong but dont american students get help from their parents to pay most of their fees? im at university now, and the amount of debt i will be in to pay for a 3 year degree is already pretty bad, soi feel sorry for the students who will be affected by this

I think a lot of you are completely misinformed, so lets go back to square 1 and set the scene.

They're rioting for various matters, increasing tuition fees to £9000 a year, cuts to EMA (free money for students whose parents earn less than £30,000 p/a), false promises from MP's e.t.c e.t.c

Nick Clegg pledged to his voters, that he and his fellow liberals would not support an increase in tuition fees and would vote against it. Since the Government is a coalition, Clegg has less of a say and cannot employ all his policies, as David Cameron's Conservatives had the majority of the vote. The Conservatives have employed their education policies, which have been incredibly unpopular amongst students.

Cuts to education are severe, arts, humanities and social sciences are having funding pulled completely, so the Universities have to scrape the money themselves to fund these courses, thus having to raise the fees. I'm in the University system and the chances are in my final year, i'll be paying 7, 000 instead of 3,000...boo-hoo, i'll get over it.

People are angry because Clegg lied. People are also frustrated because EMA is being cut; i personally detest EMA and think it's a complete joke, no kid should be given £30/$40 a week and the majority (not all) spend it on alcohol, drugs, lifestyle choices and clothing. It's ridiculous.

But basically you've got two camps of protesters; one camp are genuinely concerned for their education and are campaigning because they cannot afford the higher fees, then you've got the other camp who consist of anarchists and anti-establishment individuals looking for violence and moaning because they won't get paid to turn up to college...

I think a lot of you are completely misinformed, so lets go back to square 1 and set the scene.

They're rioting for various matters, increasing tuition fees to £9000 a year, cuts to EMA (free money for students whose parents earn less than £30,000 p/a), false promises from MP's e.t.c e.t.c

Nick Clegg pledged to his voters, that he and his fellow liberals would not support an increase in tuition fees and would vote against it. Since the Government is a coalition, Clegg has less of a say and cannot employ all his policies, as David Cameron's Conservatives had the majority of the vote. The Conservatives have employed their education policies, which have been incredibly unpopular amongst students.

Cuts to education are severe, arts, humanities and social sciences are having funding pulled completely, so the Universities have to scrape the money themselves to fund these courses, thus having to raise the fees. I'm in the University system and the chances are in my final year, i'll be paying 7, 000 instead of 3,000...boo-hoo, i'll get over it.

People are angry because Clegg lied. People are also frustrated because EMA is being cut; i personally detest EMA and think it's a complete joke, no kid should be given £30/$40 a week and the majority (not all) spend it on alcohol, drugs, lifestyle choices and clothing. It's ridiculous.

But basically you've got two camps of protesters; one camp are genuinely concerned for their education and are campaigning because they cannot afford the higher fees, then you've got the other camp who consist of anarchists and anti-establishment individuals looking for violence and moaning because they won't get paid to turn up to college...

DarthJohnova

It's funny I was listening to kids this morning talking about the situation, and those who opposed the current riots were frightfullymiddle class - those I imagine who live in the home counties and born with a silver spoon in their mouths. It's the under privileged kids who rightfully demonstrate against these typical conservative measures that ensure higher education is reserved only for the wealthy thus ultimately broadening the gap between the wealthy and poor.

And you're right protest will always attract the anarchists who will be rioting for riotings sake only. I remember going on the criminal justice bill march back in 95 in London - it's the minority of anarchists who were handing out the 'bring down no. 10' flyers that kicked off and caused the mayhem to start. The media tarnished us all with the same brush though of course, those darn hippies with attitude...

It's funny I was listening to kids this morning talking about the situation, and those who opposed the current riots were frightfullymiddle class - those I imagine who live in the home counties and born with a silver spoon in their mouths. It's the under privileged kids who rightfully demonstrate against these typical conservative measures that ensure higher education is reserved only for the wealthy thus ultimately broadening the gap between the wealthy and poor.poptart

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The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

l4dak47

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

I say good on the workers for sticking up for their rights. optiow

Co-signed brother. F*** these austerity-minded imbeciles. If they would just TAX the money these corporations and CEOssiphoned out of the middle c1ass at the correct levels and REGULATE the Financial and Energymarkets like they should be.

Instead of protecting the troves people have amassed, they need to invest in education, health, and technology.

So you're glad you live in the US because you pay higher tuition fees? I think the protests are stupid but still... I hardly see your logic there.SolidSnake35

Not exactly, I'm glad I live in the U.S because we don't need to rely on a nanny state to hold our hand with everything (example France) who cares if the retirement age gets raised two years? The violent protests that reacted to that were embarrassing, theres an individualistic feel in this country, where you don't need the government to supply you with everything and thats what I appreciate. You work for what you have and get rewarded for it.

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

halo1399

No, I think it's silly that ANYONE expects someone else to pay for their education (an investment in YOURSELF). :|SpartanMSU