Wait, so what are Canadians taught about WWII?

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

that zombies infected the nazi's and a lone brave soul hid in a house repairing windows until he killed them all with a ray gun and a magic box.

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

00-Riddick-00

I thought the best synonym for history was lie. Good enough answer?

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

00-Riddick-00

In the wonderfully stupid debate that is WWII you only need one form for an argument. "If it wasn't for 'X' we'd all be speaking German!"Sajo7

... Canada did play a big role in WWII. Sure, they didn't drop atomic bombs on Japan, but they certainly did quite a bit. :|harashawn

If it weren't for the allied forces Germany would have won the war, along with Japan. Plain and simple.

If it weren't for the allied forces Germany would have won the war, along with Japan. Plain and simple.

Avian005

The Canadians did help, but they weren't the deciding factor.

It was really the Russians and the Americans who were the deciding factors.

You're chatting with one person and you come to conclusions about an entire nation's history books based on this one encounter?GabuEx

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

If it weren't for the allied forces Germany would have won the war, along with Japan. Plain and simple.

00-Riddick-00

Are you one of those guys who think that Russia could have won the war by itself?

lol haha. i'm sure they played a nice role in it but i can promise nothing huge like u.s or Russia. but they really did pretty much every Europe, Asia, north America nation was envolved in in WW2

canada army was about million but u.s was up to 20m idk the true numbers but you can see the difference

i think most nations make things up about it.

I'm sure Germany censor Nazi in there text books lol.(they don't like the word in any thing and pretty much ban anything that is related to nazis, now i can't say that about the text books. Sure they don't want a hitler 2 on there hands)

sure china as a nice rule of thumb on it lol.

sure north Korea tells all their people that the other people in the whole wrold is devils

sure Mexico tells their people that they got that letter asking them attack the u.s to prevent u.s even caring to go over Europe and that's the whole reason why U.s don't like Mexicans,

that's just my opinion

The Canadians did help, but they weren't the deciding factor.

It was really the Russians and the Americans who were the deciding factors.

Wasdie

I think you meant to say the Russians and the British.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Avian005"]

If it weren't for the allied forces Germany would have won the war, along with Japan. Plain and simple.

Are you one of those guys who think that Russia could have won the war by itself?

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Avian005"]

If it weren't for the allied forces Germany would have won the war, along with Japan. Plain and simple.

Wasdie

Are you one of those guys who think that Russia could have won the war by itself?

I think a lot of people on here forgot that Canada actually stormed 2 beaches in the invasion of france.Nick3306

One beach. There were five in total; the US stormed two and Britain stormed the other two.

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="harashawn"]... Canada did play a big role in WWII. Sure, they didn't drop atomic bombs on Japan, but they certainly did quite a bit. :|Ace6301

[QUOTE="Nick3306"]I think a lot of people on here forgot that Canada actually stormed 2 beaches in the invasion of france.GabuEx

One beach. There were five in total; the US stormed two and Britain stormed the other two.

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

Well, we got liberated by the Canadians and I'm grateful for that !

Thanks Canada !

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="harashawn"]... Canada did play a big role in WWII. Sure, they didn't drop atomic bombs on Japan, but they certainly did quite a bit. :|Lockedge

Honestly, not really. At the end the war in the western front and in North Africa were effectively insignificant compared to the eastern front.

I lol'd. Clearly the TC is American. In Canada, we learn real history, not 'Mericuh-centric history. If not for the Canadians, British and Russians, we would have lost the war. We might not have been as prolific as the Russians, British and Americans... but we were a part of all the key battles and liberated the Nederlands.

Im going to make this plain and simple, My friend was chatting on IM with one of his Canadians friends and some how they got on the topic of WWII.

And then she goes on and on about how the Canadians made a huge difference and how the war would have been all but lost without them. So I guess my point is. "Are Canadian history books full of lies?"

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Nick3306"]I think a lot of people on here forgot that Canada actually stormed 2 beaches in the invasion of france.Ace6301

One beach. There were five in total; the US stormed two and Britain stormed the other two.

The Canadians lost half of the guys and were 25 miles inland before doubling back to help out the Americans who were still on the beach

Yeh but Americans are also taught that without them the second world war would have been lost which is just as incorrect. Sure it would have took longer and been harder but it would eventually have been done.

By the time America joint the war the Germans had lost the Battle of Britian and all hope of invasion was lost as they couldn't compete with the Royal Navy without air superiority.

The German advance into russia was bogged down by winter conditions and Russian reserves were pushing back against the germans.

Soon after they joint

El Alemein was won with Commonwealth (Mostly British and New Zeland) troops sucuring North Africa as a springboard.

These 3 battles were the things that turned the tide of the 2nd World war.

Yeh but Americans are also taught that without them the second world war would have been lost which is just as incorrect. Sure it would have took longer and been harder but it would eventually have been done.

By the time America joint the war the Germans had lost the Battle of Britian and all hope of invasion was lost as they couldn't compete with the Royal Navy without air superiority.

The German advance into russia was bogged down by winter conditions and Russian reserves were pushing back against the germans.

Soon after they joint

El Alemein was won with Commonwealth (Mostly British and New Zeland) troops sucuring North Africa as a springboard.

These 3 battles were the things that turned the tide of the 2nd World war.

MattDistillery

Four things won WW2:

1) The UK holding north Africa as long as they did before the US entered the war.

2) The United States.

3) The USSR bullet spunging Hitler away from Western Europe.

4) The USMC/USN in particular against the Japanese.

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Had it not been for 1, the US probably wouldn't have entered the European war and Hitler would have went right through Egypt into the Middle East seizing all the Oil he needed forever.

Had it not been for 2, it is obvious the war would have been lost... Russia can only send so many millions of conscripted soldiers to die before they would have run out... And the apart from the over 9,000,000 Americans that served in the war from 41-44, before and after that the US basically provided almost all goods and services allied nations needed to survive (apart from Russia, who declined post-war aid)... And then the US basically rebuilt Europe after the war (Marshall plan; so at least US money rebuilt Europe)...

Had it not been for 3, Hitler would have won, plain and simple (also related to number 1, in that with the Middle East oil fields, Hitler probably wouldn't have invaded Russia when he did)... But after Barbarosa, Hitler had 3 massive armies coming from all sides (Russians on the East, Americans/Brits/French from the West, and Americans and Brits up through Italy from the South)...

Self explanitory... USMC was one of the few forces in the world capable and trained to deply rapidly from sea... And the entire Pacific campaign was nothing but large scale naval engagements and "island hopping"... The USN was massive by the start of WW2 and only grew as the war went on... Not to mention the US use of unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan more or less crippled their industry which was unable to keep up... Which is why when the US lost a battleship or an aircraft carrier... It was no big deal, we would have another one out in a month... When Japan lost an aircraft carrier, their fleet was crippled... As they only had 6 (or something like that) and were unable to build anymore... Which is why Midway is considered to be the turning point in the Pacific war... Japan's fleet was more or less destroyed for the rest of the war as they lost 4 carriers in a single battle...

The funny thing is our reputation from WW1 carried over to WW2. Just look at how the SS treated Canadian prisoners.

The funny thing is our reputation from WW1 carried over to WW2. Just look at how the SS treated Canadian prisoners.

lordreaven

You guys shouldn't have killed the Red Baron bro.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

The funny thing is our reputation from WW1 carried over to WW2. Just look at how the SS treated Canadian prisoners.

You guys shouldn't have killed the Red Baron bro.

We should all thank the japanese. If they didnt bomb pearl harbor, the US wouldn't have came to bring ownage.Capitan_Kid

Ehhhhhh... The US was already planning to enter the war prior to that, it just gave them the excuse they needed... Churchill came to the US all the time 39-41 and US/UK strategist came up with the "Europe First" strategy before the US ever entered the war...

But then again all the way up until the mid thirties the US didn't even see Britain as an ally lol... Google search "War Plan Red" some time lol...

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]We should all thank the japanese. If they didnt bomb pearl harbor, the US wouldn't have came to bring ownage.Buttons1990

Ehhhhhh... The US was already planning to enter the war prior to that, it just gave them the excuse they needed... Churchill came to the US all the time 39-41 and US/UK strategist came up with the "Europe First" strategy before the US ever entered the war...

But then again all the way up until the mid thirties the US didn't even see Britain as an ally lol... Google search "War Plan Red" some time lol...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The Canadians did help, but they weren't the deciding factor.

It was really the Russians and the Americans who were the deciding factors.

raynimrod

I think you meant to say the Russians and the British.

You do know who bailed the British out of Egypt right?

I'm sorry, but the British army was pretty much decimated after constant losses in North Africa and Northern Europe. While they defended their mainland from air assault, they wouldn't have been so lucky against a ground invasion that didn't happen because America got involved with the war and started heavily supplying the the British.

Four things won WW2:

1) The UK holding north Africa as long as they did before the US entered the war.

2) The United States.

3) The USSR bullet spunging Hitler away from Western Europe.

4) The USMC/USN in particular against the Japanese.

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Had it not been for 1, the US probably wouldn't have entered the European war and Hitler would have went right through Egypt into the Middle East seizing all the Oil he needed forever.

Had it not been for 2, it is obvious the war would have been lost... Russia can only send so many millions of conscripted soldiers to die before they would have run out... And the apart from the over 9,000,000 Americans that served in the war from 41-44, before and after that the US basically provided almost all goods and services allied nations needed to survive (apart from Russia, who declined post-war aid)... And then the US basically rebuilt Europe after the war (Marshall plan; so at least US money rebuilt Europe)...

Had it not been for 3, Hitler would have won, plain and simple (also related to number 1, in that with the Middle East oil fields, Hitler probably wouldn't have invaded Russia when he did)... But after Barbarosa, Hitler had 3 massive armies coming from all sides (Russians on the East, Americans/Brits/French from the West, and Americans and Brits up through Italy from the South)...

Self explanitory... USMC was one of the few forces in the world capable and trained to deply rapidly from sea... And the entire Pacific campaign was nothing but large scale naval engagements and "island hopping"... The USN was massive by the start of WW2 and only grew as the war went on... Not to mention the US use of unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan more or less crippled their industry which was unable to keep up... Which is why when the US lost a battleship or an aircraft carrier... It was no big deal, we would have another one out in a month... When Japan lost an aircraft carrier, their fleet was crippled... As they only had 6 (or something like that) and were unable to build anymore... Which is why Midway is considered to be the turning point in the Pacific war... Japan's fleet was more or less destroyed for the rest of the war as they lost 4 carriers in a single battle...

Buttons1990

Really? Because thats not what actually happened in real life.

Not only were 80% of German casualties on the eastern front (and thats where their most advanced equipment and troops were), but but the time of D-Day the Battle of Stalingrad had already happened and the momentum had changed in the east, clearly the russians werent going to stop at that point, and after Stalingrad they had been winning every single engagement.

At that point what happened in the west may as well have been insignificant, given the far larger scale of the eastern conflict.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The Canadians did help, but they weren't the deciding factor.

It was really the Russians and the Americans who were the deciding factors.

I think you meant to say the Russians and the British.

You do know who bailed the British out of Egypt right?

I'm sorry, but the British army was pretty much decimated after constant losses in North Africa and Northern Europe. While they defended their mainland from air assault, they wouldn't have been so lucky against a ground invasion that didn't happen because America got involved with the war and started heavily supplying the the British.

Let Canada think that. It'll only inflate their false sense of security, making them even easier to take over.Theokhoth

Is that what you're planning? Whoever said that the we were the most important part of the war probably didn't know what they were talking about. We played a part, just like everybody else. We played a larger role in WWI, however.

They took Juno Beach on D-day. It was the second most heavily defended beach of the Normandy invasion. I'd say that was big.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

I think you meant to say the Russians and the British.

You do know who bailed the British out of Egypt right?

I'm sorry, but the British army was pretty much decimated after constant losses in North Africa and Northern Europe. While they defended their mainland from air assault, they wouldn't have been so lucky against a ground invasion that didn't happen because America got involved with the war and started heavily supplying the the British.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

I think you meant to say the Russians and the British.

lordreaven

You do know who bailed the British out of Egypt right?

I'm sorry, but the British army was pretty much decimated after constant losses in North Africa and Northern Europe. While they defended their mainland from air assault, they wouldn't have been so lucky against a ground invasion that didn't happen because America got involved with the war and started heavily supplying the the British.

Why did the british crush him at El Alamein? How about because the 1st infantry division invaded North Africa and the Americans completely resupplied the British forces in Egypt...

Again, they would have been crushed without those two things. The Americans were needed to win the war in Europe. Without their supplies or their troops the war would have dragged on for many more years and would have ended with millions more Russian casualties.

The only reason why Russia wasn't defeated was because late in the offensive the Americans invaded Italy forcing Hitler to split his forces yet again. If the British would have been wiped out in North Africa (which was prevented from reasons stated above) there would have been nothing stopping Rommel from pillaging the middle east and taking the oil reserves. If that would have happened, the world would look much different than it does today.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You do know who bailed the British out of Egypt right?

I'm sorry, but the British army was pretty much decimated after constant losses in North Africa and Northern Europe. While they defended their mainland from air assault, they wouldn't have been so lucky against a ground invasion that didn't happen because America got involved with the war and started heavily supplying the the British.

Capitan_Kid