War between North America and Europe

"Plays civ 5"

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]You're correct. You are mistaken about the tained part. Size wise, the US has more manned vehicles also which is all that would really matter.

Pirate700

Yeah, the only reason Russia matters anymore is:

1) Nukes

2) Resources

Their military is ass and has been since the 80's.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Seriously, though, the US. We invaded Europe once before, I am sure we can do it again :P

RK-Mara

The U.S. has the best Air force and Navy in the world, its a given that Europe would not even set foot on American soil.....and if they somehow did, Americans have loads of guns and Europeans would be obliterated.

I think the war of 1812 was us winning against the British.. Yeah we were losing at first, but it was the same thing with the American revolutionary war. Anyways Vietnam.. we were not even trying to win that, that was just retarded. I think the point was to halt the advancement of these extreme social countries that were being backed by Russia. If you think in terms of casualties though, we kicked their butts hands down.

mahlasor

[QUOTE="coltgames"]No one beats the US we always win , we the strongestxTheExploited

we certainly didn't lose 1812, in fact the U.S. would have won if The Battle of New Orleans counted.

As for Vietnam, for some ungodly reason we played a defensive war, we could have wiped North Vietnam out of existence, even without nukes.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]LOL europe, no contest.AFBrat77

no chance Europe would win, no one can successfully invade the United States

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] excuses, excuses.xTheExploited

but they did not lose either

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] should we start bringing up Europe's wartime failures? 1, vietnam was not a war 2, it was not a loss a war is lost when one side surrenders, and america was there to stop the north from destroying the south, the north waited a year per the agreement before attacking the south again AFBrat77

but they did not lose either

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Crimsader"] Russia alone has more tanks and nuclear warheads than USA, let's not calculate whole Europe :PButtons1990

Yeah, the only reason Russia matters anymore is:

1) Nukes

2) Resources

Their military is ass and has been since the 80's.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]LOL europe, no contest.xTheExploited

no chance Europe would win, no one can successfully invade the United States

One things for sure, the U.S. can bomb Europe consistently without the Europeans having any warning, the reverse wouldn't happen.

And Europeans definitely will have a difficult time shooting down American fighters.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] i was responding to someone who was claiming the usa always wins. i provided two wars that the us did not win.xTheExploited

but they did not lose either

I perfectly understood what you were saying....I was making a gentle reminder that the U.S. is undefeated as well

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

no chance Europe would win, no one can successfully invade the United States

AFBrat77

One things for sure, the U.S. can bomb Europe consistently without the Europeans having any warning, the reverse wouldn't happen.

And Europeans definitely will have a difficult time shooting down American fighters.

Europe has Belgium.Europe wins.

Fear us.Obey us.

Lto_thaG

don't forget finland

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

but they did not lose either

AFBrat77

I perfectly understood what you were saying....I was making a gentle reminder that the U.S. is undefeated as well

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] OP states it is the US who are trying to get to Berlin. Against the collective force of Europe I highly doubt the US would successfully invade Europe.xTheExploited

One things for sure, the U.S. can bomb Europe consistently without the Europeans having any warning, the reverse wouldn't happen.

And Europeans definitely will have a difficult time shooting down American fighters.

not desperation... I'm just stating facts.

It's probably true that neither side would succeed, but its DEFINITELY true that Europe wouldn't, not while the U.S. easily has the upper hand in the air and seas.

Also, people keep saying its just U.S., but believe it or not if you re-read the OP is including Canada as well (Mexico also but who cares) in North America.

I think the USA wins hands down. Do people realize how much money the USA spends on defense? The USA Navy is the best in the world. The military has set up shop all over the world. The USA can attack from virtually anywhere on the planet.

I'm sure the USA would have a much easier time bombing the hell out of Europe than Europe would have bombing North America.

don't forget finland

Overlord93

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

One things for sure, the U.S. can bomb Europe consistently without the Europeans having any warning, the reverse wouldn't happen.

And Europeans definitely will have a difficult time shooting down American fighters.

AFBrat77

not desperation... I'm just stating facts.

It's probably true that neither side would succeed, but its DEFINITELY true that Europe wouldn't, not while the U.S. easily has the upper hand in the air and seas.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

but they did not lose either

AFBrat77

I perfectly understood what you were saying....I was making a gentle reminder that the U.S. is undefeated as well

In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.trasherhead

In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.trasherhead

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.Pirate700

I'd like to see missiles come into North America when the USA has these patrolling the skies.

you guys can fight as much as you want, just don't drag us into this war like you always do.

Oh and i forgot! ... the popcorn!

What people seem to forget is that its not just the US here. It's all of North America.

I'm an American, so obviously I am biased. That the U.S. has an exorbitant amount of high-end military hardware, and a dozen floating things that launch jets. Russia is just now enacting a military spending spree to update their antiquated, Cold War military hardware. I'm going w/ the U.S.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/2nd_x37b_in_orbit/

No big deal... the USA just launched a SPACE WARPLANE into orbit today... that's right... an unmaned warplane in SPACE:

Europe wins.

If we had Canada, we would never lose a war. Two words: moose cavalry.

Shame you're heading to Berlin... would love to see you try to invade mainland Britain... which hasn't been done successfull for 945 years...richwalker13

[QUOTE="richwalker13"]Shame you're heading to Berlin... would love to see you try to invade mainland Britain... which hasn't been done successfull for 945 years...sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="richwalker13"]Shame you're heading to Berlin... would love to see you try to invade mainland Britain... which hasn't been done successfull for 945 years...richwalker13

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="richwalker13"]Shame you're heading to Berlin... would love to see you try to invade mainland Britain... which hasn't been done successfull for 945 years...richwalker13

[QUOTE="richwalker13"][QUOTE="sonicare"] The US and Canada are full of Normans. Plus if Harry takes the throne, you could have another King Harold.sonicare

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]LOL europe, no contest.xTheExploited

no chance Europe would win, no one can successfully invade the United States

The US has already successfully invaded Europe. look at the number of US military bases there.

If we had Canada, we would never lose a war. Two words: moose cavalry.

sonicare

I want to see this war

Shame you're heading to Berlin... would love to see you try to invade mainland Britain... which hasn't been done successfull for 945 years...richwalker13

Honestly I think Britain would break from the European Union and join with the United States and Canada.

Which means we would have Americans, British, and Canadians invading Europe ala D-Day 1944

It's turning more into USA vs Russia. Let's watch this thing from other angle for starters in NA there are 3 countries but how many are in Europe so that means that there are so much more national indifferences and language barriers between european countries and that will severly hurt europeans chances. So as much as it pains to say that as a european but I'm afraid that USA has better chances at winning.

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.Pirate700

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]You're correct. You are mistaken about the tained part. Size wise, the US has more manned vehicles also which is all that would really matter.

Pirate700

It's turning more into USA vs Russia. Let's watch this thing from other angle for starters in NA there are 3 countries but how many are in Europe so that means that there are so much more national indifferences and language barriers between european countries and that will severly hurt europeans chances. So as much as it pains to say that as a european but I'm afraid that USA has better chances at winning.

roadwish

[QUOTE="roadwish"]

It's turning more into USA vs Russia. Let's watch this thing from other angle for starters in NA there are 3 countries but how many are in Europe so that means that there are so much more national indifferences and language barriers between european countries and that will severly hurt europeans chances. So as much as it pains to say that as a european but I'm afraid that USA has better chances at winning.

surrealnumber5

It's a hypothetical, it doesn't have to hold up to strict realistic standards. It's just as unrealistic to assume Mexico would fight with us, but it's just to set up an interesting scenario.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.trasherhead

:lol:

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Crimsader"] Russia alone has more tanks and nuclear warheads than USA, let's not calculate whole Europe :PCrimsader

Mig-29?

The F-22 Raptor says hi..

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.