War between North America and Europe

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[QUOTE="roadwish"]

It's turning more into USA vs Russia. Let's watch this thing from other angle for starters in NA there are 3 countries but how many are in Europe so that means that there are so much more national indifferences and language barriers between european countries and that will severly hurt europeans chances. So as much as it pains to say that as a european but I'm afraid that USA has better chances at winning.

redstorm72

It's a hypothetical, it doesn't have to hold up to strict realistic standards. It's just as unrealistic to assume Mexico would fight with us, but it's just to set up an interesting scenario.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]In terms of manpower, then Europe easily. With the Russian army we are talking 20 to 1. When it comes to tech, the US hasn't done anything new the past 20 years other then the F22 raptor. Air dominance would take time, but would be achieved by Euro forces, by simple numbers. Ground forces isn't even a question. The US can muster up 2.45 million soldiers in all branches, that's with conscripts. Russia alone can muster up 21 million. And the rest of Europe can put up 5.96 million soldiers. Ad that we do have an extensive military industry and a few hundred more years of experience with war, I would like to add that the US has never won a war on its own in modern age. Nukes and chems excluded, the US is will still come short.trasherhead

I'd still take the archaic U.S. Air Force F-15 over any non-U.S. fighter in the world.......it has never been defeated, and considering we have the superior F-22's anf F-35's, not to mention the stealth bombers, the U.S. Air Force remains the best in the world. The U.S. always stays a step ahead, if the U.S. didn't upgrade its Air Force, its because it didn't need to. The F-15 remained in service so long because nothing else matched it.

Now that others are trying to compete, the U.S. is using the research and intelligence it has gathered over the years and making better ones. There was no use spending millions more to make more F-22's when F-15's couldn't even be shot down.

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.

Buttmonkey9000

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.

Buttmonkey9000

Honestly, isn't this thread about a hypothetical North American Union vs the European Union?

In that case Russia is excluded.

Like I said, Britain would break from the European Union and join the U.S. and Canada.

We would put Mexicans on the front lines of a D-Day like invasion, promising them $100 a week and unlimited tacos :P

Then the real troops would follow behind.

[QUOTE="Buttmonkey9000"]Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.BMD004

All of Europe? Well then. I call a draw. There is no way I see either side winning this. :P

All of Europe? Well then. I call a draw. There is no way I see either side winning this. :P

Will2Live

Honestly, isn't this thread about a hypothetical North American Union vs the European Union?

In that case Russia is excluded.

AFBrat77

He said the entire continent of Europe.

We would put Mexicans on the front lines of a D-Day like invasion, promising them $100 a week and unlimited tacos :P

Then the real troops would follow behind.

AFBrat77

But that's racist!

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

Honestly, isn't this thread about a hypothetical North American Union vs the European Union?

In that case Russia is excluded.

mywalletsgone

He said the entire continent of Europe.

We would put Mexicans on the front lines of a D-Day like invasion, promising them $100 a week and unlimited tacos :P

Then the real troops would follow behind.

AFBrat77

But that's racist!

awww I'm just kidding

Hell, me being American I wouldn't mind unlimited burgers! After all, we are all supposedly fat and insatiable, right?

But then, no American would agree to $100 a week, Mexicans on the other hand.....

On the subject of race though....aren't Hispanics considered white or a white/asian mix? I don't think being Hispanic is a race unto itself.

Still, I don't want to hi-jack the TC's thread by posing this.

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.

[QUOTE="Buttmonkey9000"] Russian resolve has nothing on American resolve. Have you ever seen America pissed off before. Do you remember 9/11? America was in kill mode, couldn't be stopped.MgamerBD

However I will admit that...

[QUOTE="Buttmonkey9000"]

Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.

EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.

BMD004

... I got owned. :P

As much as it pains me to say it, the US.

It's not just about who has the bigger army. Which the U.S has. They take up 50% of the annual military expenditure in the world. That is a lot of hardware.

They would have more decisive leadership, the European powers would most likely squabble or not commune effectively enough to form an organised coalition against the States (with respect to Canada, Mexico, they could probably win by themself).

Economically, Europe is broken. I know for a fact that British armed forces are taking heavy cuts and we do not have full offensive capabilities. I think more or less goes the same for other powers.

On the other hand... you could argue Europe would fight more dynamically in any theatre of war, undertaking several major operations at once, seamlessly, because of the delegation of forces within several states of the EU.

I'd still think the U.S would have us beat though.

We already have troops in Germany, so we've already won. :P

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Buttmonkey9000"]Remember one thing - people should never underestimate the Russian resolve.EDIT: Although I doubt that it's as strong as it was between 1941-45... Especially since the Cold War ended.Crimsader

You lost

Not really sure, It would be really close though.

awww I'm just kidding

Hell, me being American I wouldn't mind unlimited burgers! After all, we are all supposedly fat and insatiable, right?

But then, no American would agree to $100 a week, Mexicans on the other hand.....

On the subject of race though....aren't Hispanics considered white or a white/asian mix? I don't think being Hispanic is a race unto itself.

Still, I don't want to hi-jack the TC's thread by posing this.

AFBrat77

lulz yeah, xenophobic was probably a better word.

Canada & Mexico join Europe and help create a two-front attack :D pspdseagle

Canada & Mexico join Europe and help create a two-front attack :D pspdseagle

Canada is smarter than that, they would be wiped out quick if they did that, giving the U.S. a much larger base of operations.

They would join the U.S. over opposing them.

Bombs would wip out the overly-populated Mexicans....

Europe obviously. US citizens spend more time in MCdonalds than on the field, nuff' said.LustForSoul

Yes, clearly they will also be admiring their guns rather than using them.

Us English will defeat USA with the Queen alone, she will unveil her true form and slice those burger munching lazy ass European wannabees into pieces.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Canada & Mexico join Europe and help create a two-front attack :D surrealnumber5

Russia joins? Humans wiped from earth, good ridense.

I believe Europe would win even if North America would have more resources. It's harder to conquer Europe because of it's geography.lancelot200

I believe Europe would win even if North America would have more resources. It's harder to conquer Europe because of it's geography.lancelot200

Geography means nothing to the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world assuming this "war" is just about obliterating the opponent.

What's pathetic is you have to use an entire continents worth of countries that includes two superpowers and still there is doubt that those countries are enough to conquer the US. I'm srry but it's not making your country/continent look any better. The chances of Russia siding with most of the Eastern European countries is laughable. Most likely what would happen is Russia would conquer most of Eastern Europe and then side with Great Britain to attk the US.

What's pathetic is you have to use an entire continents worth of countries that includes two superpowers and still there is doubt that those countries are enough to conquer the US. I'm srry but it's not making your country/continent look any better. The chances of Russia siding with most of the Eastern European countries is laughable. Most likely what would happen is Russia would conquer most of Eastern Europe and then side with Great Britain to attk the US.

trodeback

North America, no question.

Mainly because of the US's complete air dominance.

in a war that big i'd guess that japan, china and all the eastern countries would also join in.

i think america would lose because there are more countries that would like too see america obliterated. :)

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="BMD004"]imaps3fanboy

You lost

Now you lose

It will probably be a warm of attrition like the Civil War and World War One before it. So whoever has the most combined population, they would most likely win.

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[QUOTE="Crimsader"] sonofsmeagle

You lost

Now you lose

I didnt want to have to bring him out.

Now everyone loses.

Fedor bows before Mark Gormley

It will probably be a warm of attrition like the Civil War and World War One before it. So whoever has the most combined population, they would most likely win.

muller39

NA for 3 reasons.

1. Unity. Most of NA forces are already under 1 flag, and overall unity really just needs cooperation between 3 already close nations. Europe has to deal with dozens of countries working together.

2. Gurilla Warefare. US and Canada have the largest armed civilian population amongst any industrialised nation. Resistance would be a ***** in NA, and much more so than Europe.

3. Navy. An ocean separates both sides, and US & Canadian allied Navies dwarf Europe who don't even have any true full size carriers. Simple put, Europe could not reach NA shores in any significant numbers.

Okay, but what if Asia joins Europe?

Okay, but what if Asia joins Europe?

Blue_Shield

Okay, but what if Asia joins Europe?

Blue_Shield

NA for 3 reasons.

1. Unity. Most of NA forces are already under 1 flag, and overall unity really just needs cooperation between 3 already close nations. Europe has to deal with dozens of countries working together.

2. Gurilla Warefare. US and Canada have the largest armed civilian population amongst any industrialised nation. Resistance would be a ***** in NA, and much more so than Europe.

3. Navy. An ocean separates both sides, and US & Canadian allied Navies dwarf Europe who don't even have any true full size carriers. Simple put, Europe could not reach NA shores in any significant numbers.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

NA for 3 reasons.

1. Unity. Most of NA forces are already under 1 flag, and overall unity really just needs cooperation between 3 already close nations. Europe has to deal with dozens of countries working together.

2. Gurilla Warefare. US and Canada have the largest armed civilian population amongst any industrialised nation. Resistance would be a ***** in NA, and much more so than Europe.

3. Navy. An ocean separates both sides, and US & Canadian allied Navies dwarf Europe who don't even have any true full size carriers. Simple put, Europe could not reach NA shores in any significant numbers.

BMD004

im not to shure if the US could successfully invade europe, but i know for a fact that europe could not invade the US. not only do we have the most advance military, and homeland defense system in the world, we also have these all over the place to back em up.

This war kinda already happened. It was the called the Revolutionary War and War of 1812. The US would win though in Modern times.

This war kinda already happened. It was the called the Revolutionary War and War of 1812. The US would win though in Modern times.

ToastRider11

im not to shure if the US could successfully invade europe, but i know for a fact that europe could not invade the US. not only do we have the most advance military, and homeland defense system in the world, we also have these all over the place to back em up.

taterfrickintot

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im not to shure if the US could successfully invade europe, but i know for a fact that europe could not invade the US. not only do we have the most advance military, and homeland defense system in the world, we also have these all over the place to back em up.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

im not to shure if the US could successfully invade europe, but i know for a fact that europe could not invade the US. not only do we have the most advance military, and homeland defense system in the world, we also have these all over the place to back em up.

taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]The US military is already all over Europe.

Pirate700

The amount of sofa commanders in this thread is pretty impressive. With that I'd have to say Europe and the USA would be pretty evenly matched!!