War On Drugs has now cost the US $1 Trillion

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#51 NightStalkerBX
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Personally I don't see much problem with legalizing marijuana so long as it's well-regulated and users are held responsible for whatever arises.

Hallucinogenic drugs like LSD or drugs like Crystal Meth should continue to be cracked down on, they either completely distort reality or turn people to violent action and therefore potentially put others in danger.

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#52 789shadow
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Legalizing all drugs is just a disaster waiting to happen. Most of the illegal drugs are insanely addictive and damaging to, well, everything in your life. Marijuana I can see being somewhat legal in the future.

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#53 pis3rch
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Legalize all drugs.(as some suggested.

Hell no, Crack and Meth need to be purged.

Though I still can find no reason why weed was baned. Tobacco and alcohol are way worse.

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you. cannot. purge. drugs. People have been using opiates for thousands of years. Why? Because they feel amazing, better than anything you've experienced in your life, better than orgasm and they last for hours. Crack and meth are more recent, but their high is perhaps even more addictive (mentally, if not physically as well). You think your "Drugs are bad m'kay" attitude is going to erase the innate human desire to feel good, a desire we've had for all of recorded history? If you "get rid of" crack, meth, and heroin, i guarantee that other drugs will take their place.
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Though I still can find no reason why weed was baned. Tobacco and alcohol are way worse.

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"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
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#55 legend26
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this stupid crap really needs to stop. prohibition never has and never will work.

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#56 blackngold29
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So nobody has seen Requiem for a Dream eh?
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#57 GazaAli
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so what do you want exactly? Drugs for everyone program?
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#58 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Legalize all drugs.(as some suggested.

Hell no, Crack and Meth need to be purged.

Though I still can find no reason why weed was baned. Tobacco and alcohol are way worse.

pis3rch

you. cannot. purge. drugs. People have been using opiates for thousands of years. Why? Because they feel amazing, better than anything you've experienced in your life, better than orgasm and they last for hours. Crack and meth are more recent, but their high is perhaps even more addictive (mentally, if not physically as well). You think your "Drugs are bad m'kay" attitude is going to erase the innate human desire to feel good, a desire we've had for all of recorded history? If you "get rid of" crack, meth, and heroin, i guarantee that other drugs will take their place.

I said need to be, not can be.

Crack and meth are both extremely addictive and harmful. Any one trying to argue they are not are morons.

Evil needs to be purged, but can't really.

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#59 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Though I still can find no reason why weed was baned. Tobacco and alcohol are way worse.

Hewkii

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

Scratch that I should of said is still banned.

I actually was aware of the idiocy and racism involved in its initial ban.

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#60 pis3rch
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Personally I don't see much problem with legalizing marijuana so long as it's well-regulated and users are held responsible for whatever arises.

Hallucinogenic drugs like LSD or drugs like Crystal Meth should continue to be cracked down on, they either completely distort reality or turn people to violent action and therefore potentially put others in danger.

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Why LSD? It's physically safer than all other drugs out there, except maybe shrooms. It has 0 addiction potential, physically or mentally. It even has a sort of built-in defense against abuse. if you use LSD, you can't use it again within about 5 days because of a rapid, dramatic increase in tolerance. So even if you wanted to trip daily, you couldn't without spending a TON of money to make up for the tolerance. The only problem with hallucinogens is that they can bring out mental conditions if people have a genetic predisposition, and of course bad trips are possible, so i can sort of understand your hesitance to accept LSD as safe. However, if LSD were legalized, I think it you should have to give a medical history and do some sort of psych evaluation before you are allowed to buy it. These measures would address pretty much the only real concerns one could have with LSD. It's a remarkably safe drug, but it just isn't for everyone, and with regulation we could make sure that, for the most part, only those who are mentally stable can use it.
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... I believe teh Obama adminstration has already said that they are ending the war on drugs (no this doesn't mean legalization).. The War on Drugs is one of the biggest money pits and has caused one thing.. OUr prisons to be even more overflowed with minor drug users.. If you read statistics, violently offenders are more likely to have a lighter jail sentence then the drug user.. Its ridiculous... Where is the out rage for this with the government spending? A program that has been ineffective and costed trillions of dollars.. Where is that tea partier outrage?
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I really hope he does take a stand on this issue. He said they would stop raiding MMJ dispensaries, but they really haven't. I realize he cannot possibly control the actions of every single DEA agent, but I would like to see some sort of punishment for those who are going directly against the official policy on MMJ
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#63 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Yeah, we need to legalize this stuff already...

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Could you imagine going to your local corner store and picking up some cocaine with your hot sub? :P Anyways, thinking about legalizing drugs, the only benefit I could see coming from this is that it would completely destroy drug cartels. If one can buy cocaine legally at the corner store, why would you risk dealing with some dodgy drug dealer in a dark alley? But at the same time, some drugs have some truly frightening effects, and I'm glad they are not legalized. Drugs like LSD can alter the mind of a person to the point that they become extremely violent and a threat to others. Sure alcohol can have the same effect on people, but its a much more muted effected, and the fact that it's so easy to OD and die from drugs practically ensures that the government will never legalize all drugs. I think that less "dangerous" drugs like Weed should be legalized though.

the thing is...its not even cocaine, its mostly marijuana. Seriously, I was watching this show and like they said 95% of the busts and prevention are marijuana.

People still do coke and stuff, dont get me wrong, but its not really all that relevant.

Legalize weed and we will see the "war" on drugs take a turn for the better

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I don't even want to imagine what'll happen if we legalize drugs. Even marijuana.

The car accidents alone that would follow such a move make me say HELL NO.

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I don't even want to imagine what'll happen if we legalize drugs. Even marijuana.

The car accidents alone that would follow such a move make me say HELL NO.

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haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*
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#66 dercoo
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I don't even want to imagine what'll happen if we legalize drugs. Even marijuana.

The car accidents alone that would follow such a move make me say HELL NO.

Hewkii

haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*

:lol: , tis true.

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haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*Hewkii

Someone who's high is just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk.

I don't see the point in adding something else for the cops and motorists to worry about.

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All drugs should be decriminalized. I can go down any street in any city in America and buy cocaine with ease. The War on Drugs clearly is unable to create a decline in demand and has failed miserably in limiting supply. Therefore it is an utter failure and waste of our money.
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I can go down any street in any city in America and buy cocaine with ease. SeanDog123
No sir, no you cannot.
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*airshocker

Someone who's high is just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk.

I don't see the point in adding something else for the cops and motorists to worry about.

thats an exageration, but either way the substances are out there already

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they should stop dicking around and go ahead and legalize weed at least.

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] I can go down any street in any city in America and buy cocaine with ease. blackngold29
No sir, no you cannot.

Really? I live in a very rich suburb and know multiple people who sell cocaine. I live near a small city, so that is where it comes from. It's like that everywhere.
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*airshocker

Someone who's high is just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk.

I don't see the point in adding something else for the cops and motorists to worry about.

if you don't already worry about people driving high, then you better start now. tons of people do it, and while i don't think it is a good idea, it's nowhere near the same as driving while drunk. honestly, you probably wouldn't even know if someone was driving high.

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] I can go down any street in any city in America and buy cocaine with ease. SeanDog123
No sir, no you cannot.

Really? I live in a very rich suburb and know multiple people who sell cocaine. I live near a small city, so that is where it comes from. It's like that everywhere.

There are no drugs on Main Street USA.
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if you don't already worry about people driving high, then you better start now. tons of people do it, and while i don't think it is a good idea, it's nowhere near the same as driving while drunk. honestly, you probably wouldn't even know if someone was driving high.

needled24-7

I'm a cop. It's not hard to tell if someone is driving under the influence.

But either way, that's what blood tests are for if I can't be 100% sure.

And it's the exact same as driving drunk. Your motor skills are just as bad.

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] No sir, no you cannot.blackngold29
Really? I live in a very rich suburb and know multiple people who sell cocaine. I live near a small city, so that is where it comes from. It's like that everywhere.

There are no drugs on Main Street USA.

Fair enough...
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]haha, this reminds me of the argument against hydrogen powered cars. "but what if you get in a wreck, Hydrogen EXPLODES!!!" *ignores gasoline*airshocker

Someone who's high is just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk.

I don't see the point in adding something else for the cops and motorists to worry about.

That statement is just ridiculously false. There have been multiple studies which show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not significantly impair performance.
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That statement is just ridiculously false. There have been multiple studies which show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not significantly impair performance.SeanDog123

Sorry, I'm going to have to throw the BS flag at you.

I've seen many people high on pot swerving on the road thus allowing me to pull them over and---lo and behold!---find that they either have a blunt somewhere on their persons, or they reek of it.

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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Yeah, we need to legalize this stuff already...

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Could you imagine going to your local corner store and picking up some cocaine with your hot sub? :P Anyways, thinking about legalizing drugs, the only benefit I could see coming from this is that it would completely destroy drug cartels. If one can buy cocaine legally at the corner store, why would you risk dealing with some dodgy drug dealer in a dark alley? But at the same time, some drugs have some truly frightening effects, and I'm glad they are not legalized. Drugs like LSD can alter the mind of a person to the point that they become extremely violent and a threat to others. Sure alcohol can have the same effect on people, but its a much more muted effected, and the fact that it's so easy to OD and die from drugs practically ensures that the government will never legalize all drugs. I think that less "dangerous" drugs like Weed should be legalized though.

have you actually ever done LSD? Believe me its hardly violent, When you are on LSD you just want to go chill in your room, listen to the beatles, play guitars and write poetry. And they wouldn't sell drugs at grocery stores, there would be special stores for drugs, age limits, and so on. It bugs me when people have NO personal experience with drugs and they talk like they have a degree or have even ever used them for whatever reasons...
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]That statement is just ridiculously false. There have been multiple studies which show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not significantly impair performance.airshocker

Sorry, I'm going to have to throw the BS flag at you.

I've seen many people high on pot swerving on the road thus allowing me to pull them over and---lo and behold!---find that they either have a blunt somewhere on their persons, or they reek of it.

Your assuming they were only high. When mixed with alcohol, driving becomes even more impaired. I'm referring to drivers who are only on marijuana.
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

if you don't already worry about people driving high, then you better start now. tons of people do it, and while i don't think it is a good idea, it's nowhere near the same as driving while drunk. honestly, you probably wouldn't even know if someone was driving high.

airshocker

I'm a cop. It's not hard to tell if someone is driving under the influence.

But either way, that's what blood tests are for if I can't be 100% sure.

And it's the exact same as driving drunk. Your motor skills are just as bad.

have you done either? you don't have to answer that because since talking about using drugs is against the ToU i don't wanna try to get you moderated. but just think about it.

but i'll say that from experience, driving drunk and driving high are definitely different. neither are a good idea, but i'd much sooner get in a car with someone who's high than someone who's drunk.

i wish i could go into more detail but i don't want to break the ToU too much

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]That statement is just ridiculously false. There have been multiple studies which show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not significantly impair performance.airshocker

Sorry, I'm going to have to throw the BS flag at you.

I've seen many people high on pot swerving on the road thus allowing me to pull them over and---lo and behold!---find that they either have a blunt somewhere on their persons, or they reek of it.

Seandog123 is right, I just finished an essay comparing alcohol to marijuana while driving. Drinking 5oz of wine impairs your driving more than smoking 1 joint. Not to mention that marijuana makes you a more conservative driver, while alcohol makes you a more aggressive driver, hence more dangerous...
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Your assuming they were only high. When mixed with alcohol, driving becomes even more impaired. I'm referring to drivers who are only on marijuana.SeanDog123

There have only been a handful that had a high enough BAC as well. So no, I'm not assuming.

Since you obviously have no idea how my job is done or are completely misinformed, why are you arguing with me?

Drivers, in my experience, who are high on marijuana are just as bad as drunk drivers.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]That statement is just ridiculously false. There have been multiple studies which show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not significantly impair performance.SeanDog123

Sorry, I'm going to have to throw the BS flag at you.

I've seen many people high on pot swerving on the road thus allowing me to pull them over and---lo and behold!---find that they either have a blunt somewhere on their persons, or they reek of it.

Your assuming they were only high. When mixed with alcohol, driving becomes even more impaired. I'm referring to drivers who are only on marijuana.

There have also been studies that have shown that when you post in forums high it doesn't decrease your smartness level as much as alcohol.
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Seandog123 is right, I just finished an essay comparing alcohol to marijuana while driving. Drinking 5oz of wine impairs your driving more than smoking 1 joint. Not to mention that marijuana makes you a more conservative driver, while alcohol makes you a more aggressive driver, hence more dangerous...jstamm33

I'm sure your academics are all well and good, but I'm speaking from experience.

Since neither of you have that It's pointless to continue arguing. Have a nice day.

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Your assuming they were only high. When mixed with alcohol, driving becomes even more impaired. I'm referring to drivers who are only on marijuana.airshocker

There have only been a handful that had a high enough BAC as well. So no, I'm not assuming.

Since you obviously have no idea how my job is done or are completely misinformed, why are you arguing with me?

Drivers, in my experience, who are high on marijuana are just as bad as drunk drivers.

One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.
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One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.SeanDog123

I don't believe you.

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#88 blackngold29
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Seandog123 is right, I just finished an essay comparing alcohol to marijuana while driving. Drinking 5oz of wine impairs your driving more than smoking 1 joint. Not to mention that marijuana makes you a more conservative driver, while alcohol makes you a more aggressive driver, hence more dangerous...jstamm33
Even if alcohol impairs you more, smoking a joint still impairs you.
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[QUOTE="jstamm33"]Seandog123 is right, I just finished an essay comparing alcohol to marijuana while driving. Drinking 5oz of wine impairs your driving more than smoking 1 joint. Not to mention that marijuana makes you a more conservative driver, while alcohol makes you a more aggressive driver, hence more dangerous...blackngold29
Even if alcohol impairs you more, smoking a joint still impairs you.

Hell, I'm sure drinking a cup of coffee impairs you as well. The point is that it's so insignificant that its not a valid point.
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="jstamm33"]Seandog123 is right, I just finished an essay comparing alcohol to marijuana while driving. Drinking 5oz of wine impairs your driving more than smoking 1 joint. Not to mention that marijuana makes you a more conservative driver, while alcohol makes you a more aggressive driver, hence more dangerous...SeanDog123
Even if alcohol impairs you more, smoking a joint still impairs you.

Hell, I'm sure drinking a cup of coffee impairs you as well. The point is that it's so insignificant that its not a valid point.

I disagree that drinking a cup of coffee impairs you.
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] Even if alcohol impairs you more, smoking a joint still impairs you.blackngold29
Hell, I'm sure drinking a cup of coffee impairs you as well. The point is that it's so insignificant that its not a valid point.

I disagree that drinking a cup of coffee impairs you.

Why? Caffeine is a drug, don't drugs cause impairment?
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I wonder if he supports giving everyone access drugs?
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#94 Barbariser
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.airshocker

I don't believe you.

Do you think your anecdotal evidence is more reliable than his?

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#95 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.airshocker

I don't believe you.

eh don't believe him all you want, people get stuff done while high all the time though

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#96 blackngold29
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Hell, I'm sure drinking a cup of coffee impairs you as well. The point is that it's so insignificant that its not a valid point.

I disagree that drinking a cup of coffee impairs you.

Why? Caffeine is a drug, don't drugs cause impairment?

Not all of them.
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#97 jstamm33
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.needled24-7

I don't believe you.

eh don't believe him all you want, people get stuff done while high all the time though

ya seriously, I have driven countless times baked off my ass, as well as many friends and none of them have ever gotten i ticket or had an accident while high. heres a link http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2063-alcohol-impairs-driving-more-than-marijuana.html you should check out if you don't believe me.
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#98 pis3rch
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]One of my friends passed his drivers test high, your really stretching here to say it is the same as alcohol impairment.airshocker

I don't believe you.

And I don't believe you :D Rather than going back and forth ignoring each others' evidence, why don't we all accept the fact that drugs affect people in different ways. For some, driving while high is a breeze, and for others it can severely impair their motor skills, and ultimately its best to not take the risk at all.
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#99 brickdoctor
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We should put this money to good use, like medical research.

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#100 blackngold29
Member since 2004 • 14137 Posts
I wonder if he supports giving everyone access drugs?blackngold29
Hmm, everyone got quiet all of the sudden.