War On Drugs has now cost the US $1 Trillion

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#201 TyrantDragon55
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="centipede22"]Drug users (especially pot smokers) love to criticize and harass people who don't do drugs simply because they don't do drugs. They are also unsuccessful and irresponsible. They are the biggest plague on America. They need to all be jailed or executed so they'll never bother anyone ever again.centipede22

Hmm, that seems a bit extreme to say the least. Did you create this account just to say that? XD Cause I get the feeling you're not serious.

What about you stoners? Are you all serious when you say that drugs should be legalized?

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

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#202 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="centipede22"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Hmm, that seems a bit extreme to say the least. Did you create this account just to say that? XD Cause I get the feeling you're not serious.

TyrantDragon55

What about you stoners? Are you all serious when you say that drugs should be legalized?

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

Hint: His account was created today and has 6 posts. Think about it.

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#203 centipede22
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[QUOTE="centipede22"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Hmm, that seems a bit extreme to say the least. Did you create this account just to say that? XD Cause I get the feeling you're not serious.

TyrantDragon55

What about you stoners? Are you all serious when you say that drugs should be legalized?

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

No, I (and all other non-users) just don't want them discriminating against non-users and trying to glamourize a harmful drug while integrating their stoner culture into mainstream society.
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#204 TyrantDragon55
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[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="centipede22"] What about you stoners? Are you all serious when you say that drugs should be legalized?SgtKevali

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

Hint: His account was created today and has 6 posts. Think about it.

How did I not notice that? Man I should get to bed.

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#205 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="centipede22"] What about you stoners? Are you all serious when you say that drugs should be legalized?centipede22

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

No, I (and all other non-users) just don't want them discriminating against non-users and trying to glamourize a harmful drug while integrating their stoner culture into mainstream society.

Wait a minute. I support legalization, but I don't use drugs. Am I hallucinating?

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#206 TyrantDragon55
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[QUOTE="centipede22"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

Certain ones yes, and what is your deal with stoners? Bad experience or something?

SgtKevali

No, I (and all other non-users) just don't want them discriminating against non-users and trying to glamourize a harmful drug while integrating their stoner culture into mainstream society.

Wait a minute. I support legalization, but I don't use drugs. Am I hallucinating?

We must both be hallucinating because I smoke pot and I've been called a model employee.

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#208 TyrantDragon55
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[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Wait a minute. I support legalization, but I don't use drugs. Am I hallucinating?

centipede22

We must both be hallucinating because I smoke pot and I've been called a model employee.

Yeah? Where do you work, a head shop?

I'm a dairy clerk at Publix Supermarkets, which oddly enough is one of the top companies in FORTUNE's list of "100 Best Companies to Work For". Nothing glamorous but hey, I'm a 21 year old college student so it's about the best I'm able to do right now.

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[QUOTE="centipede22"]Wow, I can't believe there are so many stoners on this board. I'll bet everyone who doesn't do drugs is against legalization.pis3rch
You don't have to do drugs to support legalization. All it takes is a wee bit of logic and reasoning. Read some of MrGeezer's posts on the past couple of pages, he makes excellent points.

I might be wrong here but I think MrGeezer's in favour of a kind of limited decriminalisation rather than all-out legalisation. Legalisation would lead to commercialisation and the growth of powerful, self-interested lobbies spending billions to spread misinformation and ensure sales are as high as possible.

Decriminalising possession or small-scale cultivation of weed while still targeting profiteers would be a concession that, on the grand scale of things, weed is a pretty inoccuous drug for most users while admitting there's a slippery slope in allowing the promotion and open sale of any and all substances that screw up a lot of people's lives.

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#210 centipede22
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="centipede22"]Wow, I can't believe there are so many stoners on this board. I'll bet everyone who doesn't do drugs is against legalization.jimmyjammer69

You don't have to do drugs to support legalization. All it takes is a wee bit of logic and reasoning. Read some of MrGeezer's posts on the past couple of pages, he makes excellent points.

I might be wrong here but I think MrGeezer's in favour of a kind of limited decriminalisation rather than all-out legalisation. Legalisation would lead to commercialisation and the growth of powerful, self-interested lobbies spending billions to spread misinformation and ensure sales are as high as possible.

Decriminalising possession or small-scale cultivation of weed while still targeting profiteers would be a concession that, on the grand scale of things, weed is a pretty inoccuous drug for most users while admitting there's a slippery slope in allowing the promotion and open sale of any and all substances that screw up a lot of people's lives.

Whether it's legalized or decriminalized, it will still cause problems for those who are already sick of stoners' crap.
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#211 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="pis3rch"] You don't have to do drugs to support legalization. All it takes is a wee bit of logic and reasoning. Read some of MrGeezer's posts on the past couple of pages, he makes excellent points. centipede22

I might be wrong here but I think MrGeezer's in favour of a kind of limited decriminalisation rather than all-out legalisation. Legalisation would lead to commercialisation and the growth of powerful, self-interested lobbies spending billions to spread misinformation and ensure sales are as high as possible.

Decriminalising possession or small-scale cultivation of weed while still targeting profiteers would be a concession that, on the grand scale of things, weed is a pretty inoccuous drug for most users while admitting there's a slippery slope in allowing the promotion and open sale of any and all substances that screw up a lot of people's lives.

Whether it's legalized or decriminalized, it will still cause problems for those who are already sick of stoners' crap.

You know what... whether it's illegal or legal, there's going to be a stoner counterculture. The only difference is whether it's going to be carefully managed and marketed by Philip Morris and BAT-like conglomerates or whether it's going to be more of an underground thing.
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#212 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="pis3rch"] You don't have to do drugs to support legalization. All it takes is a wee bit of logic and reasoning. Read some of MrGeezer's posts on the past couple of pages, he makes excellent points. centipede22

I might be wrong here but I think MrGeezer's in favour of a kind of limited decriminalisation rather than all-out legalisation. Legalisation would lead to commercialisation and the growth of powerful, self-interested lobbies spending billions to spread misinformation and ensure sales are as high as possible.

Decriminalising possession or small-scale cultivation of weed while still targeting profiteers would be a concession that, on the grand scale of things, weed is a pretty inoccuous drug for most users while admitting there's a slippery slope in allowing the promotion and open sale of any and all substances that screw up a lot of people's lives.

Whether it's legalized or decriminalized, it will still cause problems for those who are already sick of stoners' crap.

I suppose, but I think locking up around 10 million people (the estimated number the study gives for those given jail time for non-violent marijuana possession) is a much bigger waste of everyone's time and money than simply allowing them to use weed legally.
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#213 Mephers
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Yeah I think most of the world has awoken from this anti-drug propaganda. Im optimistic that things will change in a few years.


Still cant believe people are still being put in prison for non violent offenses, like smoking a bit of weed. Wow.

Go america! Highest incarceration rate in the world! We put our youth in prison.

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wow just wow what's next in there spending?
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#215 jimmyjammer69
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I've got to admit, I don't really get what a tactical withdrawal the "war on drugs" is supposed to mean...

Is it the term you use to refer to the end to hundreds of millions of dollars a year of military spending on (unsuccessfully?) establishing control of South America and Afghanistan's drug trade?

Or is it the admission that it's more lucrative to tax a substance than ban it (well...duh), and that those short-term gains are totally worth the apparent U-turn on the last century of national and international policy?

Or maybe it's about admitting that fear of punishment has never been an effective deterrent and that seemingly advocating drug addiction is a palatable alternative to the state seeming to give a damn when funds are more profitably invested elsewhere.

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#216 rockerbikie
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Do you reckon the emotional and mental terms, I've seen normal people destroy themselves with weed.
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#217 GettingTired
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Yep. There's no justice in punishing people for doing something which only hurts themselves. The U.S legal system is not about justice or equality, and those in law enforcement do not serve and protect the public.
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#218 kuraimen
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Drugs became illegal when pharmacies first opened. For a drug not to be illegal it has to be sold. Pharmaceutical companies just want us to live medicated consuming their legal drugs but if the drug is not on their patent list it must be evil. Who buys this bunch of BS anymnore? Grow your own weed!
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#219 GettingTired
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Do you reckon the emotional and mental terms, I've seen normal people destroy themselves with weed.rockerbikie
I have to seen people lives destroyed by weed and other drugs. And you know why? Because the law ruined their lives. The weed didn't hurt them, but being financially crippled from fines and charges did. The entire blame lies on the pigs and legal system. Certain drugs can definitely destroy lives, but sending someone to jail for years and oppressing their wealth status through charges they know full well people can't pay is guaranteed to destroy their life. So which one is worse? The law isn't out to protect/help you or anyone else but those who already have status and a hierarchical power. If it was, those caught with drugs would be offered rehabilitation, not forced jail time.
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#220 foxhound_fox
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And none of it has done any good. Odd how that works.