We cannot let the propsed healthcare plan to pass...

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#1 xbox360isgr8t
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> Pg 22 of the HC Bill - MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL
> EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

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> Pg 30 Sec 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what
> treatments/benefits you get!

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> Pg 29 lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

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> Pg 42 of - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
> Benefits for you. You have no choice!
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> Pg 50 Section 152 - HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US
> c itizens, illegal or otherwise!

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> Pg 58- Govt. will have real-time access to individuals' finances and a
> National ID HealthCard will be issued!

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> Pg 59 lines 21-24 - Govt. will have direct access to your bank
> accounts for election funds transfer!

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> Pg 65 Sec 164 - Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their
> families in Unions & community organizations (ACORN)!
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> Pg 72 Lines 8-14 - Govt. is creating an HC Exchange to bring20private
> HC plans under Govt. control!
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> Pg 84 Sec 203 - Govt. mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC
> plans in the Exchange!
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> Pg 85 Line 7 - Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt.
> will ration your Healthcare!
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> Pg 91 Lines 4-7 - Govt. mandates linguistic appropriate services.
> Example - Translation for illegal aliens!
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> Pg 95 Lines 8-18 - The Govt. will use groups I.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps
> to sign up individuals for Govt. HC plan!
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> Pg 85 Line 7 - Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP
> members - Your Healthcare WILL be rationed!
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> Pg 102 Lines 12-18 ll - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
> automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice!
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> Pg 124 lines 24-25 - No company can sue GOVT. on price fixing. No
> "judicial review" against Govt. Monopoly!
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> Pg 127 Lines 1-16 - The Govt. will tell Doctors / AMA how much money
> they can make!
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> Pg 145 Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public
> option plan. NO CHOICE!
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> Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay Healthcare for part time
>20employees AND their families.
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> Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - ANY Employer with payroll 400k & above who does
> not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll!
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> pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Businesses with payroll between 251k & 400k who
> doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll!
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> Pg 167 Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC
> accroding to Govt. will be taxed 2.5% of income!
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> Pg 170 Lines 1-3 - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
> taxes. (Americans will pay)!
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> Pg 195 - Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to
> ALL Americans finance and personal records!
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> Pg 203 Line 1 4-15 - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
> treated as tax" Yes, it says that!
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> Pg 239 Line 14-24 - Govt. will reduce physician services for Medicaid.
> Seniors, low income, poor affected!
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> Pg 241 Line 6-8 - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have,
> you'll all be paid the same!
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> Pg 253 Line 10-18 - Govt. sets value of Doctors' time!
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> Pg 265 Sec 1131- Govt. mandates & controls productivity for20private HC
> industries!
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> Pg 268 Sec 1141 - Fed Govt. regulates rental & purchase of power
> driven wheelchairs!
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> Pg 272 Sec 1145 - TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer
> patients - welcome to rationing!
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> Pg 280 Sec 1151 - The Govt. will penalize hospitals for what Govt.
> deems preventable re-admissions!
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> Pg 298 Lines 9-11 - Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission
> that results in a re-admission - Govt. will penalize you!
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> Pg 317 L 13-20 - OMG!! - PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt.
> tells Drs. what/how much they can own!
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> Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt. is
> mandating hospi tals cannot expand!
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> Pg 321 2-13 - Hospitals have option to apply for exception BUT
> community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
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> Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt. mandates establishment of outcome
> based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing!
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> Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - Govt. has authority to disqualify Medicare Advanced
> Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt. plan!
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> Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt. will RESTRICT e nrollment of Special needs persons!
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> Pg 379 Sec 1191 - Govt. creates more bureaucracy - TeleHealth Advisory
> Committee! Can you say HC by phone?
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> Pg 425 Lines 4-12 - Govt. mandates Advance Care Planning Consultant!
> Think Senior Citizens end of life!
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> Pg 425 Lines 17-19 - Govt. will instruct & consult regarding living
> wills, durable powers of attorney! Mandatory!
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> Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Govt. provides approved list of
> end of life resources, guiding you in death!
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> Pg 427 Lines 15-24 - Govt. mandates program orders for end of life.
> The Govt. will have a say in how your life ends!
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> Pg 429 Lines 1-9 - An "advisement20care planning consult" will be used
> frequently as patients health deteriorates!
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> Pg 429 Lines 10-12 - "advisement care consultation" may include an
> ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT.!
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> Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt. will specify which Doctors can write an
> end of life order!
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> Pg 430 Lines 11-15 - The Govt. will decide what level of treatment you
> will have at end of life!
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> Pg 469 - Community=2 0Based Home Medical Services = Non-profit
> organizations. Hello… ACORN Medical Services here???
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> Pg 472 Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS.
> Monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
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> Pg 489 Sec 1308 - The Govt. will cover Marriage & Family therapy.
> Which means they will insert Govt. into your marriage!
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> Pg 494-498 - Govt. will cover Mental Health Services including
> defining, creating, rationing those services!

There is so much wrong with this plan. Some of the ones i bolded and highlight I feel are the worst. But at the end its all pretty much a big highlight list of just absolute garbage.

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#3 BladeOfHeaven
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I have a headache an am not willing to read right now. I'll go with what the majority is on this one. :P
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#4 tbone29
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Fine I'll start a petition, I'll do anything! Just... Please stop throwing words at me! :cry:
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#5 jrhawk42
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that's not so bad... you should see the list of things my insurance agency does.

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#6 mayforcebeyou
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not mah healthcare but whichevers what america wants is what they get
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#7 clayron
Member since 2003 • 10121 Posts

I can not believe you have read and understand every word of the proposed healthcare plan.

Bravo.

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#8 xbox360isgr8t
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not mah healthcare but whichevers what america wants is what they getmayforcebeyou
what does allowing the government control of my bank account have to do with healthcare? its ridiculous stuff like this that people just let go.
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#9 ChicaQueenWarGa
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090729130559AA2DjdW


Read the answers. The person who wrote this interpretted the bill incorrectly.

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#10 Foolz3h
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"HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US
> c itizens, illegal or otherwise!"

How is this in any way a bad thing?

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#11 Serraph105
Member since 2007 • 36094 Posts

Wow its not very often I actively want a thread to be locked.

Anyways I hope it passes just to spite this thread.

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#12 xbox360isgr8t
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090729130559AA2DjdW


Read the answers. The person who wrote this interpretted the bill incorrectly.

ChicaQueenWarGa

doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

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#13 Xeros606
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"HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US
> c itizens, illegal or otherwise!"

How is this in any way a bad thing?

Foolz3h

We'll end up paying for people who come here illegally.

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#14 Chargeagles1
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[QUOTE="ChicaQueenWarGa"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090729130559AA2DjdW


Read the answers. The person who wrote this interpretted the bill incorrectly.

xbox360isgr8t

doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

Kind of like you just did.

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#15 Masterdj1992
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Well with all the democrats,Liberals, and corrupt republicans/Fake non-conservatives in congress we are screwed...
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#16 xbox360isgr8t
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]

[QUOTE="ChicaQueenWarGa"]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090729130559AA2DjdW


Read the answers. The person who wrote this interpretted the bill incorrectly.

Chargeagles1

doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

Kind of like you just did.

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

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#17 bronxxbombers
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I'm sorry, but that endless thing of text ment nothing to me.
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#18 dann14v
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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

xbox360isgr8t

Kind of like you just did.

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

You have quite the devotion to these forefathers you speak of.
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#19 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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There are lots of proposed plans. Which one is this?
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#20 -Sun_Tzu-
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Yeah...you posting misleading and inaccurate bullet points doesn't change my opinion on health care reform what so ever.

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#21 Chargeagles1
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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

xbox360isgr8t

Kind of like you just did.

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

This Healthcare plan is unethical? Have you been igonoring the last 8 years in the United States. That is unethical.

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#22 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

xbox360isgr8t

Kind of like you just did.

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

We slap the forefathers in the face every time we allow black people to use the bathroom.

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#23 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]

[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Kind of like you just did.

Theokhoth

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

We slap the forefathers in the face every time we allow black people to use the bathroom.

:lol: You made a funny.

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#24 Trinners
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Well at least it's going to be better than the system the americans have now.

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#25 proskater40000
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haha i will take that over the current system...

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#26 nocoolnamejim
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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"] doesnt matter as much as the fact that the people we put into congress to vote on our behalf dont read the bill and just vote yes or no without knowing what they just did.

xbox360isgr8t

Kind of like you just did.

Whose to say everything is right or wrong? If you want to go down a path that is unethical and just totatlly slapping the forefathers in the face than go ahead and do it uniformed. but i wont stand for this **** anymore.

I can think of few more appropriate places to deploy this.
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#27 awesomeray
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i just wish they would read it first
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#28 clubsammich91
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What can we do? Many of the people here don't live anywhere near America?
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#29 stereointegrity
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u do understand this is just for people without healthcare right?.....thank god i have a job with amazing health care
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#30 xbox360isgr8t
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u do understand this is just for people without healthcare right?.....thank god i have a job with amazing health carestereointegrity
but its the stuff they put in that has nothing to do with healthcare. and its stuff to do where the tax businesses like my dad and take a big chunk of money and its not redeemable so its a tax but they dont treat it like a tax. and dont even get me started on that joke of a tax called income tax. the most unnecessary piece of garbage that and the energy department which is only good for wasting money and well energy,
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#31 avatar_genius
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I hope not.

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[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

"HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US
> c itizens, illegal or otherwise!"

How is this in any way a bad thing?

Xeros606

We'll end up paying for people who come here illegally.

God forbid a few dollars go towards saving lives.

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#33 mischa_barton
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I can't believe that bill states Healthcare will be RATIONED!!!

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#34 clayron
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Well with all the democrats,Liberals, and corrupt republicans/Fake non-conservatives in congress we are screwed...Masterdj1992
So anyone who is not a conservative is at fault?
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#35 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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What? You don't want to increase the debt by a few trillion? Are you nuts? Debt = great. I love being in a government who lives beyond it means. I should be just like them and max out all my credit cards, and then buy a house I can't afford, get a Ferrari, and ... hell, why not buy a vacation home while I'm at it as well?
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#36 nitsud_19
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American healthcare is crap atm anyway.

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#37 KittyKat
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I can't believe that bill states Healthcare will be RATIONED!!!

mischa_barton
I KNOW! I thought I would get all of it! /rabble rabble
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#38 nitsud_19
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[QUOTE="mischa_barton"]

I can't believe that bill states Healthcare will be RATIONED!!!

KittyKat

I KNOW! I thought I would get all of it! /rabble rabble

I think all it means is that you will recieve you recommended dosage. They will give you what you need if you take you medication the way youre supposed to.

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#39 KG86
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Universal healthcare is rad.

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#40 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="KittyKat"][QUOTE="mischa_barton"]

I can't believe that bill states Healthcare will be RATIONED!!!

nitsud_19

I KNOW! I thought I would get all of it! /rabble rabble

I think all it means is that you will recieve you recommended dosage. They will give you what you need if you take you medication the way youre supposed to.

That is a disgrace! What if I want extra antibiotics for my viral infection! YEA!!:P Man, if I had a dollar for everytime people use antibiotics when it isn't needed, I could single-handedly provide a bail out for the US.
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#41 KittyKat
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[QUOTE="KittyKat"][QUOTE="mischa_barton"]

I can't believe that bill states Healthcare will be RATIONED!!!

nitsud_19

I KNOW! I thought I would get all of it! /rabble rabble

I think all it means is that you will recieve you recommended dosage. They will give you what you need if you take you medication the way youre supposed to.

I want as much medication as I demand! I will not be told to take two pills a day for a week if i want to take five pills a day for a week! I demand to see multiple doctors at once so i can feel special! Screw everyone else!
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#42 nitsud_19
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Universal healthcare is rad.

KG86

Ahh yes, indeed it is. I'm happy i can walk into a hospital for anything from a cold to massive car crash or heart attack and not have to pay a cent. Its nice.

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#43 avatar_genius
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Universal healthcare is rad.

KG86

It's a pipe dream.

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#44 SunofVich
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So what. Some people just want a health plan instead of no health plan like they do now.

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#45 DarknessLion
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rabble rabble lol
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#46 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
Member since 2004 • 50214 Posts

So what. Some people just want a health plan instead of no health plan like they do now.

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"So what"? :|

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#47 magnax1
Member since 2007 • 4605 Posts

Yeah, its a pretty terrible plan. They should make it into a plan that only covers people who cant afford it, and then force the insurance company's to actually cover at least the majority of health problems.

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#48 Tauruslink
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Ah, fear mongering at its finest.
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#49 Deathxcore
Member since 2007 • 1786 Posts
I hope it doesn't pass. My mom is an R.N. and works for Blue Cross Blue Shield and if this passes then my mom will be making next to nothing.
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#50 Solid_Tango
Member since 2009 • 8609 Posts
Pg 50 Section 152 - HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US > c itizens, illegal or otherwise! i agree with that :D