We should be happy that g@y marriage is becoming a thing

Funny, ITT openly being a gay supporter makes you immune to being a bigot and calling out such ridiculous double standard is a "false equivalency". I wonder what the flying f*ck did your math teachers lecture you about when you were at school.

N30F3N1X

I already told you I have no problem with you calling me a bigot. If anything I'd be proud of the label. But don't try to act like my "bigotry" is comparable to that of homophobes.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Funny, ITT openly being a gay supporter makes you immune to being a bigot and calling out such ridiculous double standard is a "false equivalency". I wonder what the flying f*ck did your math teachers lecture you about when you were at school.

ghoklebutter

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Funny, ITT openly being a gay supporter makes you immune to being a bigot and calling out such ridiculous double standard is a "false equivalency". I wonder what the flying f*ck did your math teachers lecture you about when you were at school.

Aljosa23

I'm not sure what you mean by that considering absolutely nothing in that post has anything to do with hating gays, lol.

Funny, ITT openly being a gay supporter makes you immune to being a bigot and calling out such ridiculous double standard is a "false equivalency". I wonder what the flying f*ck did your math teachers lecture you about when you were at school.

N30F3N1X

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Funny, ITT openly being a gay supporter makes you immune to being a bigot and calling out such ridiculous double standard is a "false equivalency". I wonder what the flying f*ck did your math teachers lecture you about when you were at school.

Aljosa23

lol

There there, no reason to whine - everything's going to be OK.

I already told you I have no problem with you calling me a bigot. If anything I'd be proud of the label. But don't try to act like my "bigotry" is comparable to that of homophobes.

-Sun_Tzu-

Up to you to make the call. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

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And you accuse me of dodging the point. :lol:

N30F3N1X

Hmm what?

He claimed it's not his problem, then he goes on about why should he try to understand it. If it's not his problem why even bother speaking out about it?

The point was that you have not explained in any satisfactory way why we should be understanding of anti-gay views. Do you also think we should be understanding of racist views?

The point was that you have not explained in any satisfactory way why we should be understanding of anti-gay views. Do you also think we should be understanding of racist views?

GreySeal9

Noone desires evil, and noone does wrong willingly or knowingly.

If you want to eradicate the root of "wrong" you have to first understand where it is.

Tell me, do you believe that all criminals are evil? Or do you think that some of them turned to do wrong because of desperation? Should these people be swept under the rug and put in a prison, or helped?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The point was that you have not explained in any satisfactory way why we should be understanding of anti-gay views. Do you also think we should be understanding of racist views?

N30F3N1X

Noone desires evil, and noone does wrong willingly or knowingly.

If you want to eradicate the root of "wrong" you have to first understand where it is.

Tell me, do you believe that all criminals are evil? Or do you think that some of them turned to do wrong because of desperation? Should these people be swept under the rug and put in a prison, or helped?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The point was that you have not explained in any satisfactory way why we should be understanding of anti-gay views. Do you also think we should be understanding of racist views?

N30F3N1X

Noone desires evil, and noone does wrong willingly or knowingly.

If you want to eradicate the root of "wrong" you have to first understand where it is.

Tell me, do you believe that all criminals are evil? Or do you think that some of them turned to do wrong because of desperation? Should these people be swept under the rug and put in a prison, or helped?

No, most criminals are not evil, but their actions are bad for society and should be rejected. Furthermore, any sensible society punishes their criminals.

In the same way, anti-gay folks and racists are not evil, but their ideas are not good for society and should be rejected.

My are the rational pandering to the ignorant in this thread?

No, most criminals are not evil, but their actions are bad for society and should be rejected. Furthermore, any sensible society punishes their criminals.

In the same way, anti-gay folks and racists are not evil, but their ideas are not good for society and should be rejected.

GreySeal9

Good. Now picture this.

A kid gets angry over a decision made by his parents that he doesn't agree with and starts arguing with one of his parents. The parent uses his authority, stature, strength, knowledge, whatever, chastises the kid, forcing his views upon him, without trying to understand or making him understand. The kid walks away in his room still bitter, angry, and his mind on the subject has not changed. Eventually he'll bring up the point again, angrier and more elaborating than before. The parent still doesn't want to understand what wrong with his kid and just keeps chastising him. Eventually either the two stop talking to eachother to avoid arguing again and/or the kid does something drastic, and in both cases the kid thinks of the parent as the reason for everything that goes wrong for him and viceversa.

This most definitely doesn't seem like good parenting, does it? In the heat of the moment it's hard for someone to have his views angrily challenged and for that someone to keep the long term in mind. But wouldn't trying to understand what the kid thinks is wrong, and changing his mind by being understanding be much better than trying to chastise the kid every time?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, most criminals are not evil, but their actions are bad for society and should be rejected. Furthermore, any sensible society punishes their criminals.

In the same way, anti-gay folks and racists are not evil, but their ideas are not good for society and should be rejected.

N30F3N1X

Good. Now picture this.

A kid gets angry over a decision made by his parents that he doesn't agree with and starts arguing with one of his parents. The parent uses his authority, stature, strength, knowledge, whatever, chastises the kid, forcing his views upon him, without trying to understand or making him understand. The kid walks away in his room still bitter, angry, and his mind on the subject has not changed. Eventually he'll bring up the point again, angrier and more elaborating than before. The parent still doesn't want to understand what wrong with his kid and just keeps chastising him. Eventually either the two stop talking to eachother to avoid arguing again and/or the kid does something drastic, and in both cases the kid thinks of the parent as the reason for everything that goes wrong for him and viceversa.

This most definitely doesn't seem like good parenting, does it? In the heat of the moment it's hard for someone to have his views angrily challenged and for that someone to keep the long term in mind. But wouldn't trying to understand what the kid thinks is wrong, and changing his mind by being understanding be much better than trying to chastise the kid every time?

While you make some fair points, I think you're taking these internet debates a little too seriously, and I also think some ideas deserve ridicule.

For instance, opposition to gay marriage is a topic that can be debated with understanding. Although I think somebody who is against gay marriage is wrong, I can still talk to those people in a perfectly reasonable way. The same in not true for someone who thinks gays are a plague and all of them are obnoxious or wahtever.