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#351 lightleggy

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[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"]

But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant

you literally just said there's more to being female than being female. But then you would not understand her since you are a guy and would not actually know what it would feel like to actually be female. But from what I am gathering, you would still say the same thing to females, who are actually female. Making you look like a nutjob. Also females have organs males don't infertile or not.....

Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.

KEY WORD BEING "YOU"!!!!!!! Your brain makes you believe you are in a body you do not identify with due to the fact there is something going on in your brain that is abnormal, thus you are having a MENTAL issue and you are a Guy. You can't change LIFE rules for DCing. Also you were born a guy, thus you are a guy, you are pretending to be female, and yes, once you go through with whatever, you are still pretending to be female, because having **** cut off and shoving a fake hole does not make you a female all of a sudden. That just offends females, mr. i don't offend anyone.

I couldn't have said it any better. also Smoke, please tell me what being a woman is all about. your vagina will pretty much just be a hole where you pee from and where you will have intercouse, plain intercouse, in other words its just a hole, it wont perform any function that an actual vagina can perform. No wonder why most of my female friends hate transgenders, because they actually feel offended to see someone not accepting the body they were born with and trying to be "female" no amount of surgery will make you a female, that is something you have to understand, and if your brain tries to convince you that there is something wrong with your body even though your body is perfectly healthy from a medical point, then you have a mental issue.

I guess he's trying to aesthetically change his body. Like doing a piercing. You don't do it because you think you're sick, you do it because you like your body better that way. He's not trying to cure something.

He is pretty much trying to "cure" the fact that he was born a male, because his mind convinced him that there was an error and that he should have been a female. you dont put a piercing because you think it will make you a completely different person, you put a piercing because you like how they look, I really dont see how you could compare a piercing with a transgender op.

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[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"] Accidental as in you are making the choices without knowing what the consequences are behind the, idiot.

if you don't know what consequence your choice has, then how can you willingly and purposedly choose to be homosexual genius?

You are still choosing to do it anyway. Do you know what choice means. I could choose to jump into a pool of water, but for all I know the water is 3 inches deep and i am jumping from 5 feet. I know I don't know the water level so I still CHOOSE to do it. Why are you so damn stupid?

So practically how could I choose to be homosexual? I want to lust the sausage. How do I do it?

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] I couldn't have said it any better. also Smoke, please tell me what being a woman is all about. your vagina will pretty much just be a hole where you pee from and where you will have intercouse, plain intercouse, in other words its just a hole, it wont perform any function that an actual vagina can perform. No wonder why most of my female friends hate transgenders, because they actually feel offended to see someone not accepting the body they were born with and trying to be "female" no amount of surgery will make you a female, that is something you have to understand, and if your brain tries to convince you that there is something wrong with your body even though your body is perfectly healthy from a medical point, then you have a mental issue.

I guess he's trying to aesthetically change his body. Like doing a piercing. You don't do it because you think you're sick, you do it because you like your body better that way. He's not trying to cure something.

He is pretty much trying to "cure" the fact that he was born a male, because his mind convinced him that there was an error and that he should have been a female. you dont put a piercing because you think it will make you a completely different person, you put a piercing because you like how they look, I really dont see how you could compare a piercing with a transgender op.

But cutting his penis will not make him a different person either, that's where the analogy comes from. He'll just feel better about himself.

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#354 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"] You will be ignored and reported. Even though this is true, there's also another issue for transgenders on both sides, once you go through with whatever surgery, there is a chance the mentally instability can die off or fade to a point where you start regretting what you did, unlike homosexuality, which is a choice, that can be changed, however, with transgenders sand surgery by that time there will be nothing you can do to be a fully functional male/female again and that's when the real depression happens.

im not breaking any rules, and im not talking about homosexuality anymore, im talking about transgenders, the guy says he is mentally stable yet he isnt and any expert will give him a 100 reasons to back that claim...yeah sure he might say he is completely healthy, but guess what? schizophrenics also believe they are at perfect mental health...because one of the biggest issues with mental illness is that the person is convinced that there is nothing wrong with his mind and that it's completely normal. the guy can have 100 transgender operations if he wants too, he will NEVER have a vagina he will only have a mutilated penis

Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

And you calling yourself a woman is dgemeaning to woman. here are things you don't get. you will: 1.Not have a vagina 2.Females have completely different sets of organs they have to deal with having different problems. Some parts of your male body will still function and works as male. 3.Woman are stronger internally than men, you will not gain this benefit. 4.Addressing number 2, there are certain things you can get or things that can happen to females that can't happen to males and you trying to be both could cause new problems for no reason. 5. You have no idea what woman go through since they have different set of organs. 6.You just now tried to convince yourself a fake vagina is real. Right now. Really? 7.Womans bone structures are also different causing many things to happen and can be done that can't to males. A male in its current state could not handle having a baby for example among many other things. you are a fake shell. there was nothing with your body, not one thing had a conflict that showed it could be possible it wasn't just your brain, it was just your brain telling you something was wrong but there wasn't/ it's called mental unstable. Also you haven't even done the surgery yet, So there is still a chance to back off before you realize what we said after it is too late and then your depression will be near impossible to get rid of without the desperate soulution.

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#355 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="kalparun"] I guess he's trying to aesthetically change his body. Like doing a piercing. You don't do it because you think you're sick, you do it because you like your body better that way. He's not trying to cure something.

He is pretty much trying to "cure" the fact that he was born a male, because his mind convinced him that there was an error and that he should have been a female. you dont put a piercing because you think it will make you a completely different person, you put a piercing because you like how they look, I really dont see how you could compare a piercing with a transgender op.

But cutting his penis will not make him a different person either, that's where the analogy comes from. He'll just feel better about himself.

it will make him a differnet person physically and mentally.

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#356 Smokescreened84

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] im not breaking any rules, and im not talking about homosexuality anymore, im talking about transgenders, the guy says he is mentally stable yet he isnt and any expert will give him a 100 reasons to back that claim...yeah sure he might say he is completely healthy, but guess what? schizophrenics also believe they are at perfect mental health...because one of the biggest issues with mental illness is that the person is convinced that there is nothing wrong with his mind and that it's completely normal. the guy can have 100 transgender operations if he wants too, he will NEVER have a vagina he will only have a mutilated penis

Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

Which is exactly what I said, your vagina will only be a hole, nothing more. and you are a male, whether you like it or not, because you have male genitalia and a body that naturally produces male hormones, no amount of surgery will ever change that, its basic biology and its also the reason why your personal information on things such as civil registry will always mention you as a man, you dont have 3 sexual chromosomes, therefore you are a male, not an actual hermaphrodite, which is the only condition a person with male genitalia could have that would classify him as something other than a male.

No, I'm not male. Physically, yes, my body is male. But remove the testicles and my body would stop producing testosterone in high levels. The hormone replacement therapy would push my body into increasing it's estrogen levels over a six year period until my body produces it naturally while my testosterone levels would be greatly reduced, The brain doesn't generate the hormones, it was just exposed to a higher dose of estrogen in the womb than testosterone, resulting in my brain developing into a more feminine brain - and it has been medically and scientifically noted that trans-gender brains do indeed match the gender they identify as. Along with my brain developing in that way, it's also led to my born gender being female as well as in how I identify myself and my place in the world, as that of a female. Instead of ignoring the simple facts, why don't you just get off your high horse - although Fluttershy isn't as good a flyer as Rainbow Dash or as good when it comes to heights - and look up all of the facts yourself. There are more than enough medical journals and notes that look into and explain trans-gender and the developmental differences for those who are trans-gender. One of the steps towards knowing is to seek the knowledge.

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#357 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="kalparun"] if you don't know what consequence your choice has, then how can you willingly and purposedly choose to be homosexual genius?

You are still choosing to do it anyway. Do you know what choice means. I could choose to jump into a pool of water, but for all I know the water is 3 inches deep and i am jumping from 5 feet. I know I don't know the water level so I still CHOOSE to do it. Why are you so damn stupid?

So practically how could I choose to be homosexual? I want to lust the sausage. How do I do it?

You are ignoring the questions presented to you. Early choices you make and the environment determine what could become of your mental state towards what you will end up liking. I mean, if early in life you just hurt gay people and laughed all the time at it and you grew up with savage crusaders who dod nothing but kill gay people and told you gay was wrong and had you pull prnaks on them and you enjoyed it and when a gay kid no one knew was gay showed signs of gayness and you could choose to help him escape (age 5 each of you.) and you go and kill him for enjoyment most likely in most cases with 99% probability you will not be gay. Although that is a completely one-sided example it makes sense. For most people, it is usually evenly ended but it tilts to one side in general later and keeps to that side MOST of the time through out life.

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#358 lightleggy

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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

Which is exactly what I said, your vagina will only be a hole, nothing more. and you are a male, whether you like it or not, because you have male genitalia and a body that naturally produces male hormones, no amount of surgery will ever change that, its basic biology and its also the reason why your personal information on things such as civil registry will always mention you as a man, you dont have 3 sexual chromosomes, therefore you are a male, not an actual hermaphrodite, which is the only condition a person with male genitalia could have that would classify him as something other than a male.

No, I'm not male. Physically, yes, my body is male. But remove the testicles and my body would stop producing testosterone in high levels. The hormone replacement therapy would push my body into increasing it's estrogen levels over a six year period until my body produces it naturally while my testosterone levels would be greatly reduced, The brain doesn't generate the hormones, it was just exposed to a higher dose of estrogen in the womb than testosterone, resulting in my brain developing into a more feminine brain - and it has been medically and scientifically noted that trans-gender brains do indeed match the gender they identify as. Along with my brain developing in that way, it's also led to my born gender being female as well as in how I identify myself and my place in the world, as that of a female. Instead of ignoring the simple facts, why don't you just get off your high horse - although Fluttershy isn't as good a flyer as Rainbow Dash or as good when it comes to heights - and look up all of the facts yourself. There are more than enough medical journals and notes that look into and explain trans-gender and the developmental differences for those who are trans-gender. One of the steps towards knowing is to seek the knowledge.

Wait a second, were you actually born a hermaphrodite? Being a woman is far more than having a vagina or even producing more estrogen, by having a transgender op you wouldnt be a female, you would be something between a male and a female, like president said, males have different organs, different bone structure, differnt bodily composition, hell even a different inmune system. you will never be a woman, unless scientists can find a way to implant 2 X chrmosomes into your dna and remove your Y chromosome. Have you ever considered electro shock therapy? if you are so convinced that you are right, then it wouldnt change you, and if you are wrong, it would make you feel better with yourself and actually accepting who you are (because you dont accept who you are, you dont accept you are a male, that is NOT self acceptance)

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#359 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

Which is exactly what I said, your vagina will only be a hole, nothing more. and you are a male, whether you like it or not, because you have male genitalia and a body that naturally produces male hormones, no amount of surgery will ever change that, its basic biology and its also the reason why your personal information on things such as civil registry will always mention you as a man, you dont have 3 sexual chromosomes, therefore you are a male, not an actual hermaphrodite, which is the only condition a person with male genitalia could have that would classify him as something other than a male.

No, I'm not male. Physically, yes, my body is male. But remove the testicles and my body would stop producing testosterone in high levels. The hormone replacement therapy would push my body into increasing it's estrogen levels over a six year period until my body produces it naturally while my testosterone levels would be greatly reduced, The brain doesn't generate the hormones, it was just exposed to a higher dose of estrogen in the womb than testosterone, resulting in my brain developing into a more feminine brain - and it has been medically and scientifically noted that trans-gender brains do indeed match the gender they identify as. Along with my brain developing in that way, it's also led to my born gender being female as well as in how I identify myself and my place in the world, as that of a female. Instead of ignoring the simple facts, why don't you just get off your high horse - although Fluttershy isn't as good a flyer as Rainbow Dash or as good when it comes to heights - and look up all of the facts yourself. There are more than enough medical journals and notes that look into and explain trans-gender and the developmental differences for those who are trans-gender. One of the steps towards knowing is to seek the knowledge.

Which means it's a medical condition because your brain conflicted with your body and is rejecting it and the brain=mental which means it's a mental illness. you will never be a female, you can't tell someone who is female how to be a female and right now you are acting like you know how to be more of a female then if a female rammed you in an suv down the street. you are clueless. Your body had no conflicts other than your brain, thus, it is false. you will not be female, you will be pretending to be female, it's to late to be a female, just like if you go through with your insane surgery of nothing it will be too late to be a male. but going the path you are demeaning woman is just wow. A male saying he knows more about being a woman than a woman. You will always be brought up as male anyway regarless of secondary legal changes. you will most likely be thrown in male type prison to unless certain circumstances are met. What you are doing makes no sense, how can you feel better about yourself being female if you can't be female and do not have the female organs required for your body to send out chemicals to react to in a female like way? I mean, this is serah palin levels of dumb. although again, i am not dimissing you, you can indeed do this. It just makes no sense, but it makes even less sense you are insulting woman practically and believing you can make your self female when you can't.

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#360 MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="kalparun"] You are not born straight or Gay what your surroundings are and what mental choices YOU MAKE early determine what you end up being. You have no disproven that theory ONCE not ONCE. You just use a circular argument. You have not once shown how it was not a CHOICE. It's a CHOICE that can't be so easily changed after you make it yes but it is still a choice. Not to mention you are a complete failure with logic. You say they would choose the sexuality of the one they won't get attacked? Well black people could have been chosen to be white skinned for nearly 50 years now and they haven't done it so are black people just dumb by your logic or is your logic wrong /thread.kalparun

Sexuality is not a choice, how many times do I have to say that? How many times does such a simple fact have to be said before it is finally heard? Did you choose to be heterosexual? No, no one chooses and no one can. Maybe in some dim witted movie they can, but that's movies. In real life we do not choose our sexuality, we do not choose who we are as a person. What we experience in life can have an effect, like how we might be towards others when it comes to trust or the kind of foods we'll enjoy the most, how music can make us feel. But we can never choose our sexuality. There are those who are born with a different skin who wish they had been given the choice of skin colour, in the pre-equal rights era for those with different colour skin there were many who wished they had been born white skinned so that they weren't looked down on and treated poorly for not being white skinned. It is still common enough today for some who are born dark skinned since they feel that no matter how hard they try to prove themselves in the world, they still feel that they are regarded as less than dirt by white skinned men who haven't accepted the fact that a person's skin colour does not determine the person within. In life we never get any really important choices when it comes to how we are born, who we might love when we're older, our own unique personalities. I definitely didn't get a choice when I was being conceived back in the late 70s, I would have loved a list of options so that I could have chosen. I would have chosen: Sex: Female - instead of being born with a male body Gender: Female - which I already am, but in a male body Sexuality: Heterosexual - Instead of coming to terms with my being bi-sexual Interests: Science Fiction, Reading, Old Movies, Classical Music, Nature - thankfully those are things I'm interested in, video games were something I learned and Transformers were something I was introduced to Artistic Skills: Music, Drawing, Painting, Writing - all I got was writing. Dislikes: Narrow minds, alcohol, smoking, drugs, violence, war. Disinterest in: Sex. No such list appeared though, no such list appears for anyone. There are many things we have no choice in and sexuality is one of those things.

And I'd choose to be the princess of england. Deal with what you get and try to improve the rest of you, you little baby.

I didn't say this, fix the quotes.

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#361 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] Which is exactly what I said, your vagina will only be a hole, nothing more. and you are a male, whether you like it or not, because you have male genitalia and a body that naturally produces male hormones, no amount of surgery will ever change that, its basic biology and its also the reason why your personal information on things such as civil registry will always mention you as a man, you dont have 3 sexual chromosomes, therefore you are a male, not an actual hermaphrodite, which is the only condition a person with male genitalia could have that would classify him as something other than a male.

No, I'm not male. Physically, yes, my body is male. But remove the testicles and my body would stop producing testosterone in high levels. The hormone replacement therapy would push my body into increasing it's estrogen levels over a six year period until my body produces it naturally while my testosterone levels would be greatly reduced, The brain doesn't generate the hormones, it was just exposed to a higher dose of estrogen in the womb than testosterone, resulting in my brain developing into a more feminine brain - and it has been medically and scientifically noted that trans-gender brains do indeed match the gender they identify as. Along with my brain developing in that way, it's also led to my born gender being female as well as in how I identify myself and my place in the world, as that of a female. Instead of ignoring the simple facts, why don't you just get off your high horse - although Fluttershy isn't as good a flyer as Rainbow Dash or as good when it comes to heights - and look up all of the facts yourself. There are more than enough medical journals and notes that look into and explain trans-gender and the developmental differences for those who are trans-gender. One of the steps towards knowing is to seek the knowledge.

Wait a second, were you actually born a hermaphrodite? Being a woman is far more than having a vagina or even producing more estrogen, by having a transgender op you wouldnt be a female, you would be something between a male and a female, like president said, males have different organs, different bone structure, differnt bodily composition, hell even a different inmune system. you will never be a woman, unless scientists can find a way to implant 2 X chrmosomes into your dna and remove your Y chromosome. Have you ever considered electro shock therapy? if you are so convinced that you are right, then it wouldnt change you, and if you are wrong, it would make you feel better with yourself and actually accepting who you are (because you dont accept who you are, you dont accept you are a male, that is NOT self acceptance)

not to mention if your rbain calms after the surgery the depression will reach levels worse than being burned while being gassed while having knives thrown at you on a cross. Those are the worse cases. Try other options before the surgery for your own safety, which are also each cheaper than the surgery combined.

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#362 coolbeans90

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omg stop arguing with the trolls

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#363 CreasianDevaili

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PresidentKing.. The pony is doing a more entertaining job of this. Also.. what you said about burning all... sounds more like bondage. After hours might be better.

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#364 PresidentKing

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omg stop arguing with the trolls
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Coolbeans think males no more about woman than woman do confirmed. Back on topic,we should not be "HAPPY" Gay unionization is becoming a thing because people are still misuisng the words marriage to corrupt people so there will always be sworn and full fledged opposition toward it including violance. Word marriage aside, as long as unionization still involves HUMANS and nothing else I have no direct issue. but beastiality has been rising and it's creeping me out. Not saying homosexuals joining in contract is a gateway drug or anything but people will use that as an excuse just like religious people ignore written words in their books and use them as excuses even though the books do not allow such actions.

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#365 Smokescreened84

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[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] im not breaking any rules, and im not talking about homosexuality anymore, im talking about transgenders, the guy says he is mentally stable yet he isnt and any expert will give him a 100 reasons to back that claim...yeah sure he might say he is completely healthy, but guess what? schizophrenics also believe they are at perfect mental health...because one of the biggest issues with mental illness is that the person is convinced that there is nothing wrong with his mind and that it's completely normal. the guy can have 100 transgender operations if he wants too, he will NEVER have a vagina he will only have a mutilated penis

Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

And you calling yourself a woman is dgemeaning to woman. here are things you don't get. you will: 1.Not have a vagina 2.Females have completely different sets of organs they have to deal with having different problems. Some parts of your male body will still function and works as male. 3.Woman are stronger internally than men, you will not gain this benefit. 4.Addressing number 2, there are certain things you can get or things that can happen to females that can't happen to males and you trying to be both could cause new problems for no reason. 5. You have no idea what woman go through since they have different set of organs. 6.You just now tried to convince yourself a fake vagina is real. Right now. Really? 7.Womans bone structures are also different causing many things to happen and can be done that can't to males. A male in its current state could not handle having a baby for example among many other things. you are a fake shell. there was nothing with your body, not one thing had a conflict that showed it could be possible it wasn't just your brain, it was just your brain telling you something was wrong but there wasn't/ it's called mental unstable. Also you haven't even done the surgery yet, So there is still a chance to back off before you realize what we said after it is too late and then your depression will be near impossible to get rid of without the desperate soulution.

1) I would have a vagina males actually do have one but it's sealed while in the womb and the male parts grow over that. The surgery opens that part of the body and the male parts, well all but the testicles, are used to improve that opened part of the body. 2) Much of the male and female bodies share much of the same things, the only differences in regards of organs are a womb, ovaries and a uterus. Beyond that the male and female bodies have much of the same organs. 3) Actually I'm a very strong person within. Physically I have minimal strength, internally I'm quite strong. I've had to be, I've always been an internally strong person. 4) Males and females share much in common while being uniquely different when it comes to personalities. Women can be as masculine as a man and a man can be as feminine as a woman, it all comes down to the individual in question. Not every women is into the stereotypical ideals of shoes and shopping, just as not every male is into sports and violence. 5) I know more than you realise, not only from spending years learning and understanding the varying physical differences between both sexes, but also asking a lot of questions and getting a lot of very helpful and informative answers. I actually take the time to learn and understand, especially since the human body is quite fascinating. 6) That's because it is real, it's not fake. Many male to female trans-genders do experience a phantom limb feeling for a while, eventually that feeling fades away as their body adapts to the physical changes. 7) The hormone replacement therapy would change some of my skeletal frame, sadly not the torso in full, but my hips will change position a little - that will be painful - and my frame will slightly adjust to support breast development. Living the lie of a male would be a bad idea for me, I don't identify as male, I never have. I suffered years of depression and misery because I couldn't identify and always felt, and still feel, uncomfortable with my body. As it is I am fending off my depression and have done ever since I came to accept myself, being forced to be male and being treated and regarded as male tends to weaken my efforts, making the return of that depression a very worrying issue. I refuse to be male just because of the junk between my legs and society's backwards notion that only the outside matters more than the actual person within, I refuse to live the lie of a male life and be miserable and depressed for the reminder of my life - which would probably not be very long since the suicidal feelings and yearnings of my life before I came to accept myself were very strong. You don't live my life, you'e not the one who sees a stranger looking back at her every day in the mirror, you're not the one who tries to fend off a very strong depression with next to no support because of the ignorance in society and the constant pressure to conform to a lie. You're lucky to not live my life, you're just you and you've proven that you refuse to think beyond yourself.

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#366 Lucky_Krystal

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not to mention if your rbain calms after the surgery the depression will reach levels worse than being burned while being gassed while having knives thrown at you on a cross. Those are the worse cases. Try other options before the surgery for your own safety, which are also each cheaper than the surgery combined.PresidentKing

You aren't going to convince smokescreened84 to change her mind.

Besides, what's it matter what some random person on the internet wants to do with their body? It does not affect you, so why would you care and why are you trying so hard to get her to change her mind?

And quit it with the whole "insulting to females" thing. I'm a female and I find it hard to be insulted in the least by a decision someone I don't even know and won't even meet in real life is making for THEMSELVES. It has nothing to do with you so I don't get why you guys are dragging on this argument.

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#367 PresidentKing

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PresidentKing.. The pony is doing a more entertaining job of this. Also.. what you said about burning all... sounds more like bondage. After hours might be better.CreasianDevaili

I think you missread the quotes. Where did burning come from?

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#368 CreasianDevaili

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]PresidentKing.. The pony is doing a more entertaining job of this. Also.. what you said about burning all... sounds more like bondage. After hours might be better.PresidentKing

I think you missread the quotes. Where did burning come from?

That strange "being burned, gassed, and knives thrown at you on a cross". I made a joke that it sounded like bondage. But I am sure you were basically telling that poster they are going to hell if they keep up their... lifestyle.

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#369 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

And you calling yourself a woman is dgemeaning to woman. here are things you don't get. you will: 1.Not have a vagina 2.Females have completely different sets of organs they have to deal with having different problems. Some parts of your male body will still function and works as male. 3.Woman are stronger internally than men, you will not gain this benefit. 4.Addressing number 2, there are certain things you can get or things that can happen to females that can't happen to males and you trying to be both could cause new problems for no reason. 5. You have no idea what woman go through since they have different set of organs. 6.You just now tried to convince yourself a fake vagina is real. Right now. Really? 7.Womans bone structures are also different causing many things to happen and can be done that can't to males. A male in its current state could not handle having a baby for example among many other things. you are a fake shell. there was nothing with your body, not one thing had a conflict that showed it could be possible it wasn't just your brain, it was just your brain telling you something was wrong but there wasn't/ it's called mental unstable. Also you haven't even done the surgery yet, So there is still a chance to back off before you realize what we said after it is too late and then your depression will be near impossible to get rid of without the desperate soulution.

1) I would have a vagina males actually do have one but it's sealed while in the womb and the male parts grow over that. The surgery opens that part of the body and the male parts, well all but the testicles, are used to improve that opened part of the body. 2) Much of the male and female bodies share much of the same things, the only differences in regards of organs are a womb, ovaries and a uterus. Beyond that the male and female bodies have much of the same organs. 3) Actually I'm a very strong person within. Physically I have minimal strength, internally I'm quite strong. I've had to be, I've always been an internally strong person. 4) Males and females share much in common while being uniquely different when it comes to personalities. Women can be as masculine as a man and a man can be as feminine as a woman, it all comes down to the individual in question. Not every women is into the stereotypical ideals of shoes and shopping, just as not every male is into sports and violence. 5) I know more than you realise, not only from spending years learning and understanding the varying physical differences between both sexes, but also asking a lot of questions and getting a lot of very helpful and informative answers. I actually take the time to learn and understand, especially since the human body is quite fascinating. 6) That's because it is real, it's not fake. Many male to female trans-genders do experience a phantom limb feeling for a while, eventually that feeling fades away as their body adapts to the physical changes. 7) The hormone replacement therapy would change some of my skeletal frame, sadly not the torso in full, but my hips will change position a little - that will be painful - and my frame will slightly adjust to support breast development. Living the lie of a male would be a bad idea for me, I don't identify as male, I never have. I suffered years of depression and misery because I couldn't identify and always felt, and still feel, uncomfortable with my body. As it is I am fending off my depression and have done ever since I came to accept myself, being forced to be male and being treated and regarded as male tends to weaken my efforts, making the return of that depression a very worrying issue. I refuse to be male just because of the junk between my legs and society's backwards notion that only the outside matters more than the actual person within, I refuse to live the lie of a male life and be miserable and depressed for the reminder of my life - which would probably not be very long since the suicidal feelings and yearnings of my life before I came to accept myself were very strong. You don't live my life, you'e not the one who sees a stranger looking back at her every day in the mirror, you're not the one who tries to fend off a very strong depression with next to no support because of the ignorance in society and the constant pressure to conform to a lie. You're lucky to not live my life, you're just you and you've proven that you refuse to think beyond yourself.

1.no they do not, not working ones anyway that work the same way do research. you did notne bfeofre deciding unlike what you said. 2.You have no clue what you are talking about. Doing what you do, do simple research and get off the high horse. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Maybe not super man different but no. Stop it. You are diving into a 3 inch pool thinking it's 5 ft. 3.You have no idea how they came up with the woman are stronger internally do you? Even you are flame man delux rainbow shirt extraordinaire, you ain't changing the results. 4. What does this have to do with anything. now you are generalizing woman? You do not know what it will be like to be female you are remving facts and changing words so you can prevent yourself from suffering from thinking this is a good idea. 5.asking questions................... YOU ARE A (&$(*#)*$U#)OU$)*#JU$U)#JU)$)J$# idiot. Asking questions and doing 3 mintue google research does not show you how to be a woman (unless you generalize them which you have already done in #4) you have no idea how to be a woman because you won't be one and won't go through the same body feelings, the same organ feelings the same attractions, the same lifestyle physically and mentally, because you were born a guy and your body will still be OF A GUY no matter how you try and CHANGE it making it hard for anything in your "feminine brain" to react to naturally to make your body feel like a female. It's not going to happen. generalizing woman ain't going to work either. Ain't happening. 6.It's not REAL it won't even have the same functions. Stop deluding yourself, go ask some doctors that aren't Dr.phil, it's not going to be the same, and there's more to being a female than a whole where ya dong was, but even if it was you would still be wrong, you are putting yourself in a lose lose situation. 7.You still aren't getting the point are you? nope. You suffered years of deperession making yourself believe you were a female, not that you were in a males body. Your male body had no conflicts, so it is nothing but your lack of mental health that got you in this. generalizing woman to asking questions and 3 minute google searches won't help you, surgery won't help you and most likely, will go totally wrong. You even generalize males. the junk between your legs is just proof you are mentally ill. There are many trans that don't remove that. Why is that? i guess you never really did any research at all about your jump into 3 inch lake. It's more than just holes and sticks to being a male or female. You have no idea what you are doing. Ignorance of society/ you haven't even tried you generalized everyone a feared to ask for help. you probably only tried maybe our parents at BEST, and quit from there. you are ignorant and selfish and think you can change lifes rules with a finger snap. You don't think beyond YOURSELF when you have to generalize females to make it seem it's possible when you are no. You will still be in a guys body, you do not have the structure or organs to amplify what female development goes through, and you twist facts. a failure. You haven't even rebutted any statements just when around them with different words. i wish you no luck at all in your incredibly miss lead confusion, I however will not stop you and will hope 1 less confused serah palin will be set straight so the world will be a better place and nothing of value will be lost. Come back and talk when you can accept facts otherwise forget about talking about your delusional life changing journey. your disrespect for human kind is appalling. no more until you have straight answers for the facts presented.

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#370 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Well done, you've shown that you know nothing about SRS. I could go into the gory details but there are a lot of children on these boards. Basically the male parts are first removed, the testicles are thrown away since those are not needed, while the rest is cut into half and then used to make the new vagina This process takes several hours and is pretty delicate work, they've perfected the process considerably over the years to where it looks completely natural. It only takes one surgery to do that. Dilation has to be done for a long while to ensure that the body won't try to seal over the new genitals, about a couple of years or more. It can be painful but eventually the body stops trying to seal that area. The full gory details are easily found online in medical journals and information that explain the full surgery, just look it up. Saves me spending hours and probably getting into trouble for going into really gory detail. The recovery is said to be very painful and the person basically bleeds a lot for around two months until the bleeding stops. Medical science hasn't refined the process to be able to implant a womb and uterus into the body yet, they've been working on it but it's still very much a work in progress and probably won't be refined for a long time. Such a thing would be very useful for any women who's womb isn't viable for growing a child. And I'm not male, being referred to as such is so demeaning.

And you calling yourself a woman is dgemeaning to woman. here are things you don't get. you will: 1.Not have a vagina 2.Females have completely different sets of organs they have to deal with having different problems. Some parts of your male body will still function and works as male. 3.Woman are stronger internally than men, you will not gain this benefit. 4.Addressing number 2, there are certain things you can get or things that can happen to females that can't happen to males and you trying to be both could cause new problems for no reason. 5. You have no idea what woman go through since they have different set of organs. 6.You just now tried to convince yourself a fake vagina is real. Right now. Really? 7.Womans bone structures are also different causing many things to happen and can be done that can't to males. A male in its current state could not handle having a baby for example among many other things. you are a fake shell. there was nothing with your body, not one thing had a conflict that showed it could be possible it wasn't just your brain, it was just your brain telling you something was wrong but there wasn't/ it's called mental unstable. Also you haven't even done the surgery yet, So there is still a chance to back off before you realize what we said after it is too late and then your depression will be near impossible to get rid of without the desperate soulution.

1) I would have a vagina males actually do have one but it's sealed while in the womb and the male parts grow over that. The surgery opens that part of the body and the male parts, well all but the testicles, are used to improve that opened part of the body. 2) Much of the male and female bodies share much of the same things, the only differences in regards of organs are a womb, ovaries and a uterus. Beyond that the male and female bodies have much of the same organs. 3) Actually I'm a very strong person within. Physically I have minimal strength, internally I'm quite strong. I've had to be, I've always been an internally strong person. 4) Males and females share much in common while being uniquely different when it comes to personalities. Women can be as masculine as a man and a man can be as feminine as a woman, it all comes down to the individual in question. Not every women is into the stereotypical ideals of shoes and shopping, just as not every male is into sports and violence. 5) I know more than you realise, not only from spending years learning and understanding the varying physical differences between both sexes, but also asking a lot of questions and getting a lot of very helpful and informative answers. I actually take the time to learn and understand, especially since the human body is quite fascinating. 6) That's because it is real, it's not fake. Many male to female trans-genders do experience a phantom limb feeling for a while, eventually that feeling fades away as their body adapts to the physical changes. 7) The hormone replacement therapy would change some of my skeletal frame, sadly not the torso in full, but my hips will change position a little - that will be painful - and my frame will slightly adjust to support breast development. Living the lie of a male would be a bad idea for me, I don't identify as male, I never have. I suffered years of depression and misery because I couldn't identify and always felt, and still feel, uncomfortable with my body. As it is I am fending off my depression and have done ever since I came to accept myself, being forced to be male and being treated and regarded as male tends to weaken my efforts, making the return of that depression a very worrying issue. I refuse to be male just because of the junk between my legs and society's backwards notion that only the outside matters more than the actual person within, I refuse to live the lie of a male life and be miserable and depressed for the reminder of my life - which would probably not be very long since the suicidal feelings and yearnings of my life before I came to accept myself were very strong. You don't live my life, you'e not the one who sees a stranger looking back at her every day in the mirror, you're not the one who tries to fend off a very strong depression with next to no support because of the ignorance in society and the constant pressure to conform to a lie. You're lucky to not live my life, you're just you and you've proven that you refuse to think beyond yourself.

1.no they do not, not working ones anyway that work the same way do research. you did notne bfeofre deciding unlike what you said. 2.You have no clue what you are talking about. Doing what you do, do simple research and get off the high horse. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Maybe not super man different but no. Stop it. You are diving into a 3 inch pool thinking it's 5 ft. 3.You have no idea how they came up with the woman are stronger internally do you? Even you are flame man delux rainbow shirt extraordinaire, you ain't changing the results. 4. What does this have to do with anything. now you are generalizing woman? You do not know what it will be like to be female you are remving facts and changing words so you can prevent yourself from suffering from thinking this is a good idea. 5.asking questions................... YOU ARE A (&$(*#)*$U#)OU$)*#JU$U)#JU)$)J$# idiot. Asking questions and doing 3 mintue google research does not show you how to be a woman (unless you generalize them which you have already done in #4) you have no idea how to be a woman because you won't be one and won't go through the same body feelings, the same organ feelings the same attractions, the same lifestyle physically and mentally, because you were born a guy and your body will still be OF A GUY no matter how you try and CHANGE it making it hard for anything in your "feminine brain" to react to naturally to make your body feel like a female. It's not going to happen. generalizing woman ain't going to work either. Ain't happening. 6.It's not REAL it won't even have the same functions. Stop deluding yourself, go ask some doctors that aren't Dr.phil, it's not going to be the same, and there's more to being a female than a whole where ya dong was, but even if it was you would still be wrong, you are putting yourself in a lose lose situation. 7.You still aren't getting the point are you? nope. You suffered years of deperession making yourself believe you were a female, not that you were in a males body. Your male body had no conflicts, so it is nothing but your lack of mental health that got you in this. generalizing woman to asking questions and 3 minute google searches won't help you, surgery won't help you and most likely, will go totally wrong. You even generalize males. the junk between your legs is just proof you are mentally ill. There are many trans that don't remove that. Why is that? i guess you never really did any research at all about your jump into 3 inch lake. It's more than just holes and sticks to being a male or female. You have no idea what you are doing. Ignorance of society/ you haven't even tried you generalized everyone a feared to ask for help. you probably only tried maybe our parents at BEST, and quit from there. you are ignorant and selfish and think you can change lifes rules with a finger snap. You don't think beyond YOURSELF when you have to generalize females to make it seem it's possible when you are no. You will still be in a guys body, you do not have the structure or organs to amplify what female development goes through, and you twist facts. a failure. You haven't even rebutted any statements just when around them with different words. i wish you no luck at all in your incredibly miss lead confusion, I however will not stop you and will hope 1 less confused serah palin will be set straight so the world will be a better place and nothing of value will be lost. Come back and talk when you can accept facts otherwise forget about talking about your delusional life changing journey. your disrespect for human kind is appalling. no more until you have straight answers for the facts presented.

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#371 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]PresidentKing.. The pony is doing a more entertaining job of this. Also.. what you said about burning all... sounds more like bondage. After hours might be better.CreasianDevaili

I think you missread the quotes. Where did burning come from?

That strange "being burned, gassed, and knives thrown at you on a cross". I made a joke that it sounded like bondage. But I am sure you were basically telling that poster they are going to hell if they keep up their... lifestyle.

I can't seem to remove the double post. Anyway back to you, you did read the words around that sentence right? I was not saying anything about hell just that the depression would reach levels of disaster as it would be too late to go back since he was traveling nowhere to begin with.

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#372 Smokescreened84

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This will be the last time, I'm much too tired and cold to even try and keep explaining simple facts to you since you clearly refuse to listen.

I suffered depression BECAUSE I tried to be male, I tried very hard to a male all through my childhood and into my adulthood because I was too scared to simply say to my parents that I didn't consider myself to be a male.

I was confused since the feelings didn't make any sense to me at the time, I was too young to understand why people kept regarding me as male despite my knowing full well that I wasn't. I was too young to understand until I finally got the chance to learn and understand, I finally understood why I was identifying as a girl while everyone else was calling me a boy when the school I was at in my teen years was teaching sex education.

Plus even while my body as developing into a man, I felt very disconnected with it since to me it was developing in the wrong way. Other people even tended to remark that I didn't behave like a male, I behaved very much like a female and it showed the most in my writing, I spoke volumes and still do speak volumes with the written word and it's always been remarked that the writing doesn't have anything that hints at a male, but of a female instead.

I spent years hating myself and trying to end my life because I couldn't and still can't live with a male body that I am very uncomfortable in.

You have proven your constant ignorance and lack of understanding on the topic time and time again, so there is no point in trying to explain any farther. It's clearly far beyond your level of understanding and you clearly refuse to even research and learn about the term of trans-gender and how real it is.

There are entire trans-gender journals online and on Youtube, there are trans-gender sites that explain it all in very easy to understand details, maybe you might find something with pictures in case that helps you to understand.

Instead of closing your mind and promoting your constant narrow mindedness, why don't you let your fingers do the searching? Research is easy, you just get it done.

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#373 Philokalia

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Happy about an illusioned institution? If you say so.

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#374 coolbeans90

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OT, have you checked your privilege today? I haven't. And before you say that is "bad," consider the following.

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#375 THE_DRUGGIE

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OT, have you checked your privelege today? I haven't. And before you say that is "bad," consider the following.
coolbeans90

I checked out that area of tumblr yesterday.

It's the most hilarious blind raging I've ever read.

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#376 PresidentKing

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This will be the last time, I'm much too tired and cold to even try and keep explaining simple facts to you since you clearly refuse to listen.
I suffered depression BECAUSE I tried to be male, I tried very hard to a male all through my childhood and into my adulthood because I was too scared to simply say to my parents that I didn't consider myself to be a male.
I was confused since the feelings didn't make any sense to me at the time, I was too young to understand why people kept regarding me as male despite my knowing full well that I wasn't. I was too young to understand until I finally got the chance to learn and understand, I finally understood why I was identifying as a girl while everyone else was calling me a boy when the school I was at in my teen years was teaching sex education.
Plus even while my body as developing into a man, I felt very disconnected with it since to me it was developing in the wrong way. Other people even tended to remark that I didn't behave like a male, I behaved very much like a female and it showed the most in my writing, I spoke volumes and still do speak volumes with the written word and it's always been remarked that the writing doesn't have anything that hints at a male, but of a female instead.
I spent years hating myself and trying to end my life because I couldn't and still can't live with a male body that I am very uncomfortable in.
You have proven your constant ignorance and lack of understanding on the topic time and time again, so there is no point in trying to explain any farther. It's clearly far beyond your level of understanding and you clearly refuse to even research and learn about the term of trans-gender and how real it is.
There are entire trans-gender journals online and on Youtube, there are trans-gender sites that explain it all in very easy to understand details, maybe you might find something with pictures in case that helps you to understand.
Instead of closing your mind and promoting your constant narrow mindedness, why don't you let your fingers do the searching? Research is easy, you just get it done.
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There is no lack of understanding. You turned down actual facts and did no research. prove the points I listed in the posts before wrong and then I will concede otherwise you are a failure you are mentally ill and will remain out my face. If you take factual evidence and generailize people to make you believe you are right , especially denying factual evidence, and then claim i must do research you are the spawn of satan to me. You also just admitted you never saked anyone even after you learned "sex ed" which is kind of dumb it took you that long to tell the difference between male and female, so you were generalizing people your whole life as well. you are in denial. trans-gender is when your brain conflicts with your body, there are two cases of this, however, in your case your male body had no conflitcs and was produced as normal and only your brain was the conflict. You are mentally ill. you also never actually rebuttle my points.i f you can not be a little 5 year old female dog for a second and actually explain yourself by going against the obvious points I made in the last post instead of writing around them and NOT making stuff up like your writing made you a girl with nothing else to add to it making it sound vague, then maybe i can get you but you answer nothing. When facts are presented you ignore them and write around them each time again and again and it''s sad. you are going to end up not feeling anything because you will still be in a mens body, you do not have the organs or structure to get the same feeling p- i am not repeating myself it's in the last post YOU are to immature to read because you don't want to be wrong. As soon as you actually answer against that post then i will start listening, saying alalallalalalalaallalalllaalaalall is not helping you. All you are right now to me is an idiot, of which nothing of value will be lost because you have no idea what you are talking about and you can't be female. Is a french fry no longer a potato but a mustang now to you? you seem to be helping your brain make you more unstable. think about it, come back when you can answer my last post, with facts, instead of writing work arounds that don't actually change anything, which may be when you finally hit puberty and develop a working brain. Away with ye, thou is condemned.

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#377 PresidentKing

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Happy about an illusioned institution? If you say so.
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There's no hope nothing of value was lost, nothing to see here. When the 2nd depression happen and he goes the suicide route because it's to late to go back, he will realize he has been turning down facts. like palin and rick perry. but worse, and needs to be locked in a padded room. When you deny facts that are presented that are proven and pretend they are not there and generalize everyone into few groups to make yourself feel better, there's no hope for you. ***heads and alcoholism have more hope. I have to say that denying facts is a line that I will put mines on if you are not trolling and being serious and this guy is serious.

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#378 PresidentKing

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This will be the last time, I'm much too tired and cold to even try and keep explaining simple facts to you since you clearly refuse to listen.
I suffered depression BECAUSE I tried to be male, I tried very hard to a male all through my childhood and into my adulthood because I was too scared to simply say to my parents that I didn't consider myself to be a male.
I was confused since the feelings didn't make any sense to me at the time, I was too young to understand why people kept regarding me as male despite my knowing full well that I wasn't. I was too young to understand until I finally got the chance to learn and understand, I finally understood why I was identifying as a girl while everyone else was calling me a boy when the school I was at in my teen years was teaching sex education.
Plus even while my body as developing into a man, I felt very disconnected with it since to me it was developing in the wrong way. Other people even tended to remark that I didn't behave like a male, I behaved very much like a female and it showed the most in my writing, I spoke volumes and still do speak volumes with the written word and it's always been remarked that the writing doesn't have anything that hints at a male, but of a female instead.
I spent years hating myself and trying to end my life because I couldn't and still can't live with a male body that I am very uncomfortable in.
You have proven your constant ignorance and lack of understanding on the topic time and time again, so there is no point in trying to explain any farther. It's clearly far beyond your level of understanding and you clearly refuse to even research and learn about the term of trans-gender and how real it is.
There are entire trans-gender journals online and on Youtube, there are trans-gender sites that explain it all in very easy to understand details, maybe you might find something with pictures in case that helps you to understand.
Instead of closing your mind and promoting your constant narrow mindedness, why don't you let your fingers do the searching? Research is easy, you just get it done.
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Lol cold. Also I already responded to this, had to say that for you to comprehend, but to add, what you are writing here is not facts. Facts are what i wrote telling you that you are doing nothing at all to be a female and you are proven factually to be generalizing. It's not to late to grow a few brain cells. So think about responding to the post you quoted instead of this crap which is not even an actual rebuttle. Just denial.

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#379 coolbeans90

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PK, have you checked your privilege today?

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#380 PresidentKing

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PK, have you checked your privilege today?
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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="kalparun"]
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture.
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I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else.

You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that.

Why so much hate? Does it make you feel better to tell others they are worthless? So evil.

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[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that.lightleggy

I am mentally healthy, if I wasn't then I would have already been under close examination years ago. Trans-gender is very real. There are things I won't be able to experience, sadly. But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant, gender is a fluid thing that isn't just connected to reproduction. After all there are women in the world who are infertile and unable to ever be pregnant, to ever bear a child, does that make them any less of a woman? I always wish and have always wished that my body would become female in full so that i wouldn't keep feeling uncomfortable and hollow within a male body, I've never been able to identify as male even when I used to pretend in order to hide myself. Coming to accept myself took years and accepting the risks and dangers of the surgery and hormone replacement therapy took a fair bit of time since it is terrifying, but I would rather face those risks and dangers than pretend to be the man I'm not. Pretending to be a man within when I don't identify as male is very damaging and emotionally and mentally distressing. Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.

Cool story and all, except that transgender is classified as a mental illness, you are trying to say that it was an error that you were born a male, even though your genitals are perfectly formed (I Assume they are) and have no problem whatsoever, your brain is also that of a male, and it originally produced male hormones, there was no error, you were born a male, the only error is your mind trying to tell you that "you are not a male".

And yes, there are infertile women, and guess what? most of them feel terrible about that and seek many ways to treat it and to cope with such an unfortunate condition, I dont want to be harsh to you, but you wont feel any better in a "girl's body" like I said you will never have a vagina you will have a mutilated penis no amount of surgery will ever give you a vagina.

Im not gonna stop you from performing said operation, it is your right, all im saying is that you ARE classified as a mentally unstable person (as much as you say that you are mentally healthy) and that your choice doesnt actually make sense, because there is nothing wrong with your body, only with your mind, trying to convince you that there was some error.

Why do you think you understand transgenderism? You don't man. You aren't transgender so have no experience that way, you also have never studied pyshcology nor do you understand transgender pyschology or how to help people with gender dysmorphia. You are like the people who argue against evolution, you are out of your depth and but you just keep screaming cause you don't know how to back out without seeming ignorant, because you are.

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[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smatmat"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that.

Why so much hate? Does it make you feel better to tell others they are worthless? So evil.

As opposed to having making yourself believe you are something you are not a generalizing people to seem inferior enough for you to imitate? Are you saying that a guy know how to be a female more than a female? Are you in need for execution? GOOD at 1888-prezking, i am the president of kings, and since i run all presidents and kings, i can declare free execution for the insane. We can start with the basics. Guintanamo bay... Only 7 easy payments of 49.99, every 5 days.

Sorry, you can't expect me to reply to people seriously who can't speak proper English.

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#385 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"] I am mentally healthy, if I wasn't then I would have already been under close examination years ago. Trans-gender is very real. There are things I won't be able to experience, sadly. But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant, gender is a fluid thing that isn't just connected to reproduction. After all there are women in the world who are infertile and unable to ever be pregnant, to ever bear a child, does that make them any less of a woman? I always wish and have always wished that my body would become female in full so that i wouldn't keep feeling uncomfortable and hollow within a male body, I've never been able to identify as male even when I used to pretend in order to hide myself. Coming to accept myself took years and accepting the risks and dangers of the surgery and hormone replacement therapy took a fair bit of time since it is terrifying, but I would rather face those risks and dangers than pretend to be the man I'm not. Pretending to be a man within when I don't identify as male is very damaging and emotionally and mentally distressing. Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as. Smatmat

Cool story and all, except that transgender is classified as a mental illness, you are trying to say that it was an error that you were born a male, even though your genitals are perfectly formed (I Assume they are) and have no problem whatsoever, your brain is also that of a male, and it originally produced male hormones, there was no error, you were born a male, the only error is your mind trying to tell you that "you are not a male".

And yes, there are infertile women, and guess what? most of them feel terrible about that and seek many ways to treat it and to cope with such an unfortunate condition, I dont want to be harsh to you, but you wont feel any better in a "girl's body" like I said you will never have a vagina you will have a mutilated penis no amount of surgery will ever give you a vagina.

Im not gonna stop you from performing said operation, it is your right, all im saying is that you ARE classified as a mentally unstable person (as much as you say that you are mentally healthy) and that your choice doesnt actually make sense, because there is nothing wrong with your body, only with your mind, trying to convince you that there was some error.

Why do you think you understand transgenderism? You don't man. You aren't transgender so have no experience that way, you also have never studied pyshcology nor do you understand transgender pyschology or how to help people with gender dysmorphia. You are like the people who argue against evolution, you are out of your depth and but you just keep screaming cause you don't know how to back out without seeming ignorant, because you are.

you know I never studied Psychology based on what? oh and those are the same people that helped make it a mental illness because, well IT IS!!!! We have another execution package. 5 guillotine choppings for $500 only. That's 5. Seriously what are you defending. the guy turned down facts on the last page as i numbered it to him, you can write around things you will NEVER get, stop being stupid. Thanks. Transgenderism will not cause him to suddenly be female YOU seem to not know what it is peasant.

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#386 PresidentKing

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[QUOTE="Smatmat"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smatmat"] Why so much hate? Does it make you feel better to tell others they are worthless? So evil.

As opposed to having making yourself believe you are something you are not a generalizing people to seem inferior enough for you to imitate? Are you saying that a guy know how to be a female more than a female? Are you in need for execution? GOOD at 1888-prezking, i am the president of kings, and since i run all presidents and kings, i can declare free execution for the insane. We can start with the basics. Guintanamo bay... Only 7 easy payments of 49.99, every 5 days.

Sorry, you can't expect me to reply to people seriously who can't speak proper English.

Speaking by writing on a keyboard :lol: Then you have all your previous posts with errors and try to be grammatically y correct in this one to act like an E-thug. As posted above you seem to be jumping in conversations without reading the whole conversation. Attacking the poster above with stupidity yet again.

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#387 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73

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Wow I come back and read maybe 12 pages, a lot of it some serious butthurt.

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#388 TrainerCeleste

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Wow I come back and read maybe 12 pages, a lot of it some serious butthurt. Heirren

Not even going to sift through all the hate speech this thread took a total 180 from where the OP wanted it to go :P

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#389 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]Wow I come back and read maybe 12 pages, a lot of it some serious butthurt. TrainerCeleste

Not even going to sift through all the hate speech this thread took a total 180 from where the OP wanted it to go :P

Oh I didn't actually read much past my prior post.

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#390 ghoklebutter

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Wow. I've never seen so many misconceptions of trans* people in a thread that isn't even about trans* people.

Also, the intentional misgendering in this thread is truly awful.

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#391 TrainerCeleste

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Wow. I've never seen so many misconceptions of trans* people in a thread that isn't even about trans* people.ghoklebutter

Well I'm sure no one has done any actually research or talked to any trans people :P THey are most likely motivated by their fear of the unknown.

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Wow. I've never seen so many misconceptions of trans* people in a thread that isn't even about trans* people.
Also, the intentional misgendering in this thread is truly awful.
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Agreed. This is shameful.

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#393 coolbeans90

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Today I was at the park when a small child noticed the DIE CIS SCUM t-shirt I was wearing. Curiously, they asked me what cis meant.

At first, I asked them Well, are you transgender? to which they replied No.

Then I questioned Do you even know what transgender is?

Yes, I know about that. they replied. That is when I instantly screamed at them to shut up because as someone who is not trans* they will never understand what being transgender is about and that they should choke on a bucket of glass for even suggesting that they could have any idea what I and others like me go through every day.

I stormed off fuming, now knowing that that cis-child was a dangerous individual who would completely ruin trans* activism by knowing things about transgenderism. People like that are the exact reason I need my DIE CIS SCUM t-shirt, as it restores some of the sanctity that is destroyed when cis people attempt to contribute to trans* causes.

Oh, by the way, before I left I noticed the childs home phone number on an ID bracelet they were wearing and used it to track their home address. PM me if you want it! xD

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#394 ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]The human body wasn't designed
toast_burner

No, it, in all its complexity and ingenuity, was pure absolute chance. :roll: You can go on believing you and your ancestors were all accidents if you wish, but don't force it on others so blatantly.

I don't believe it's chance. Sorry for having a basic understanding of biology.

Then do tell what it was you believe in if it wasn't chance.

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#395 ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it, in all its complexity and ingenuity, was pure absolute chance. :roll: You can go on believing you and your ancestors were all accidents if you wish, but don't force it on others so blatantly. Slashless

The High School biology has failed you.

Sorry to disappoint, but I actually got the top 90% of the year in my Bio exam..and chemistry. Try again, if you will.

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#396 TrainerCeleste

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it, in all its complexity and ingenuity, was pure absolute chance. :roll: You can go on believing you and your ancestors were all accidents if you wish, but don't force it on others so blatantly. ShadowsDemon

I don't believe it's chance. Sorry for having a basic understanding of biology.

Then do tell what it was you believe in if it wasn't chance.

Perhaps small mutations that happened to be positive? :3 But I think I wish I had some wings, why couldn't we be born with wings? Mutations over millions of years is what I've been taught to become us. Small little things, that all gradually changed :P

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[QUOTE="Slashless"]
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it, in all its complexity and ingenuity, was pure absolute chance. :roll: You can go on believing you and your ancestors were all accidents if you wish, but don't force it on others so blatantly. ShadowsDemon

The High School biology has failed you.

Sorry to disappoint, but I actually got the top 90% of the year in my Bio exam..and chemistry. Try again, if you will.

Louisiana public school?

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#398 ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Slashless"]The High School biology has failed you.Ace6301

Sorry to disappoint, but I actually got the top 90% of the year in my Bio exam..and chemistry. Try again, if you will.

Louisiana public school?

Are you even fvcking serious? :| I believe I've mentioned many times that not only am I not a creationist, I don't even live in the states, or anywhere on the entire content.

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] Sorry to disappoint, but I actually got the top 90% of the year in my Bio exam..and chemistry. Try again, if you will.

Louisiana public school?

Are you even fvcking serious? :| I believe I've mentioned many times that not only am I not a creationist, I don't even live in the states, or anywhere on the entire content.

Is joke.

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#400 ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Louisiana public school?

Are you even fvcking serious? :| I believe I've mentioned many times that not only am I not a creationist, I don't even live in the states, or anywhere on the entire content.

Is joke.

Sorry, but I've just gotten fed up of having to repeat myself that I'm not an American, etc. It gets annoying.

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